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4/29/2022  7:49 AM
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4/29/2022  1:26 PM
Philc1 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:You were all so busy celebrating the Nets sweep, you didn't leave room for the Trae Young dismantling by the Heat Very satisfactory start to the playoffs!

I have no ill will towards Trae. He beat the Knicks last year fair and square

KD and Kyrie were telling Perry for 2 years they were signing here and then weaseled out

THere were rumors fueled by KD’s agent who admitted he was a knick fan he wanted KD here.
Kyrie had publicly said he’d reup on BOS. Year prior. respect the timeline. Respect any timeline with any accuracy.

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4/29/2022  1:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/29/2022  1:36 PM
Does anyone know how the Heat neutralized Trae so easily when he pretty much destroyed us last year? We were a good defensive team with a defensive coach yet we did not stand a chance. It would be nice to incorporate what the Heat did to shut Trae up every time he plays us.
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4/29/2022  1:35 PM
Why does it always seem like Jalen Brunson has one of the poorest +/- on the team despite good individual stats whenever I check Mavs boxscores- is it coincidence? can aanyone who watched their games clarify if it's just a fluke?
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4/29/2022  2:31 PM
Clean wrote:Does anyone know how the Heat neutralized Trae so easily when he pretty much destroyed us last year? We were a good defensive team with a defensive coach yet we did not stand a chance. It would be nice to incorporate what the Heat did to shut Trae up every time he plays us.

I didn't watch the match but I'll add: Atlanta generally didn't have Capella for the series and PnR with Capella is bread and butter for Trae. And conversely, Miami had defense down the middle with Bam and the Knicks were without much during their series while Hawks sliced them WITH Capella.

Miami absolutely plays very good defense no matter what.

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4/29/2022  10:11 PM
Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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4/30/2022  9:56 AM
Clean wrote:Does anyone know how the Heat neutralized Trae so easily when he pretty much destroyed us last year? We were a good defensive team with a defensive coach yet we did not stand a chance. It would be nice to incorporate what the Heat did to shut Trae up every time he plays us.

Being the best perimeter defensive team in the league helps


Thibs was using Derrick Rose to defend Trae one on one that entire series. Rose couldn’t guard me

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5/1/2022  10:38 AM
Philc1 wrote:
Clean wrote:Does anyone know how the Heat neutralized Trae so easily when he pretty much destroyed us last year? We were a good defensive team with a defensive coach yet we did not stand a chance. It would be nice to incorporate what the Heat did to shut Trae up every time he plays us.

Being the best perimeter defensive team in the league helps


Thibs was using Derrick Rose to defend Trae one on one that entire series. Rose couldn’t guard me

True, Rose wore down, Elf was cooked by then, They were done with Frank who was our best defender.
Mitch was out and Norlens was hurt as well and missed games. Simple, respect the timeline and undertand while we finished very nice by the time that series came about Heat were surging and we were being held together with good coaching but a series is a different matter.
Too much weight fell on Randle as the centerpiece of the offense and the rest just came apart.

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5/1/2022  4:50 PM
Nets improved attendance and now 13th in the league, Knicks 8th. about $900k per game gate. Joe Tsai keeps going thru Execs. His stock down, china clamp down on tech.
Prokerhav made a good deal and got out way in front of Sanctions (been a few years actually) and Tsai might want to cut back and sell also? If he can play the long game, he'll do well.
Nets were to supplant Rockets as Chinese favored team.
Missing more playoff game hurt Nets revenue bad.
Knicks have 3 lowest payroll this year. That will change with Mitch (if) and RJ due raises.
No telling what happens.
Rumors out of Utah Mitchell is staying. They will build around him. More talk Gobert moves. Just articles.
Things not feeling so good in Minny? I guess that when you blow leads fans go nuts? DOn't we know.
Trae gotta play defense. Dude has to at least try.

Sac has Mark Jax, Steve Clifford and Mike Brown as finalists to coach. Clifford the best of the bunch but my guess is Mike Brown gets the gig. he stayed true to his craft and kept as assistant coach and done well. Jax really does not have the experince outside of GSW and its been a few years since. Coaches learn and grow thru experience. Curious why Borrego not on radar. he might have personality issues?? Things did not end well in charlotte but when michael is the boss, its gonna happen.

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5/2/2022  12:30 PM
Nalod wrote:Nets improved attendance and now 13th in the league, Knicks 8th. about $900k per game gate. Joe Tsai keeps going thru Execs. His stock down, china clamp down on tech.
Prokerhav made a good deal and got out way in front of Sanctions (been a few years actually) and Tsai might want to cut back and sell also? If he can play the long game, he'll do well.
Nets were to supplant Rockets as Chinese favored team.
Missing more playoff game hurt Nets revenue bad.
Knicks have 3 lowest payroll this year. That will change with Mitch (if) and RJ due raises.
No telling what happens.
Rumors out of Utah Mitchell is staying. They will build around him. More talk Gobert moves. Just articles.
Things not feeling so good in Minny? I guess that when you blow leads fans go nuts? DOn't we know.
Trae gotta play defense. Dude has to at least try.

Sac has Mark Jax, Steve Clifford and Mike Brown as finalists to coach. Clifford the best of the bunch but my guess is Mike Brown gets the gig. he stayed true to his craft and kept as assistant coach and done well. Jax really does not have the experince outside of GSW and its been a few years since. Coaches learn and grow thru experience. Curious why Borrego not on radar. he might have personality issues?? Things did not end well in charlotte but when michael is the boss, its gonna happen.

Only reason knicks are 8th in attendance is MSG's capacity for basketball games is 19,800. Compare that to a much newer arena not located in the middle of Manhattan like United Center which has 20,900 capacity

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5/2/2022  12:40 PM
Nalod wrote:Sac has Mark Jax, Steve Clifford and Mike Brown as finalists to coach. Clifford the best of the bunch but my guess is Mike Brown gets the gig. he stayed true to his craft and kept as assistant coach and done well. Jax really does not have the experince outside of GSW and its been a few years since. Coaches learn and grow thru experience. Curious why Borrego not on radar. he might have personality issues?? Things did not end well in charlotte but when michael is the boss, its gonna happen.

Rooting for Mark, just so I don't have to listen to him anymore on ESPN...

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5/2/2022  2:12 PM
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Nalod wrote:Sac has Mark Jax, Steve Clifford and Mike Brown as finalists to coach. Clifford the best of the bunch but my guess is Mike Brown gets the gig. he stayed true to his craft and kept as assistant coach and done well. Jax really does not have the experince outside of GSW and its been a few years since. Coaches learn and grow thru experience. Curious why Borrego not on radar. he might have personality issues?? Things did not end well in charlotte but when michael is the boss, its gonna happen.

Rooting for Mark, just so I don't have to listen to him anymore on ESPN...

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5/2/2022  4:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/2/2022  4:57 PM
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Nalod wrote:Nets improved attendance and now 13th in the league, Knicks 8th. about $900k per game gate. Joe Tsai keeps going thru Execs. His stock down, china clamp down on tech.
Prokerhav made a good deal and got out way in front of Sanctions (been a few years actually) and Tsai might want to cut back and sell also? If he can play the long game, he'll do well.
Nets were to supplant Rockets as Chinese favored team.
Missing more playoff game hurt Nets revenue bad.
Knicks have 3 lowest payroll this year. That will change with Mitch (if) and RJ due raises.
No telling what happens.
Rumors out of Utah Mitchell is staying. They will build around him. More talk Gobert moves. Just articles.
Things not feeling so good in Minny? I guess that when you blow leads fans go nuts? DOn't we know.
Trae gotta play defense. Dude has to at least try.

Sac has Mark Jax, Steve Clifford and Mike Brown as finalists to coach. Clifford the best of the bunch but my guess is Mike Brown gets the gig. he stayed true to his craft and kept as assistant coach and done well. Jax really does not have the experince outside of GSW and its been a few years since. Coaches learn and grow thru experience. Curious why Borrego not on radar. he might have personality issues?? Things did not end well in charlotte but when michael is the boss, its gonna happen.

Only reason knicks are 8th in attendance is MSG's capacity for basketball games is 19,800. Compare that to a much newer arena not located in the middle of Manhattan like United Center which has 20,900 capacity

By that measure Knicks by % of home games tickets sold are 14th in the league selling 94% of their capacity. Thus your theory is remarkably daft.
Bulls do play in downtown Chicago.
Knicks at the gate did better than Nets but not at their capacity.
http://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/sort/homePct

MSG by capicity ranks 4th in the NBA. Another solid PhilC fable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_arenas

Arena capcity have been trending lower. For example the Charlotte Coliseum built for the Hornetts for their 1988 season had a capacity of 24,000 but it was replaced mostly becuase it was in the "suburbs" and had very few high prices suites. The spectrum in charlotts is downtown with 19,077 capacity. ITs about revenue. The palace at Auburn Hills sat 22,000. new area sits 2000 less. Memphis newer arena seats about 3,000 less than old one. etc.

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5/2/2022  6:47 PM
Good article on cap holds

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/05/hoops-rumors-glossary-cap-holds-6.html


Hoops Rumors Glossary: Cap Holds
May 2nd 2022 at 1:53pm CST by Luke Adams

The Bulls have approximately $98MM in guaranteed money committed to player salaries for 2022/23. However, even though next season’s salary cap is expected to come in at $122MM, Chicago won’t begin the 2022 offseason with tens of millions in cap room to spend.

In fact, the Bulls technically won’t open the new league year with any cap space at all. Each of Chicago’s own free agents will be assigned a free agent amount – or “cap hold” – until the player signs a new contract or the Bulls renounce his rights.

The general purpose of a cap hold is to prevent teams from using room under the cap to sign free agents before using Bird rights to re-sign their own free agents. If a team wants to take advantage of its cap space, it can renounce the rights to its own free agents, eliminating those cap holds. However, doing so means the team will no longer hold any form of Bird rights for those players — if the team wants to re-sign those free agents, it would have to use its cap room or another kind of cap exception.

The following criteria are used for determining the amount of a free agent’s cap hold:

First-round pick coming off rookie contract: 300% of the player’s previous salary if prior salary was below league average; 250% of previous salary if prior salary was above league average.
Bird player: 190% of previous salary (if below league average) or 150% (if above average).
Early Bird player: 130% of previous salary.
Non-Bird player: 120% of previous salary.
Minimum-salary player: Two-year veteran’s minimum salary, unless the free agent only has one year of experience, in which case it’s the one-year veteran’s minimum.
Two-way player: One-year veteran’s minimum salary.

A cap hold for a restricted free agent can vary based on his contract status. A restricted free agent’s cap hold is either his free agent amount as determined by the criteria mentioned above or the amount of his qualifying offer, whichever is greater.

No cap hold can exceed the maximum salary for which a player can sign. For instance, the cap hold for a Bird player with a salary above the league average is generally 150% of his previous salary, as noted above. But for someone like Wizards star Bradley Beal, who earned $33,724,200 this season, 150% of his previous salary would be north of $50MM, well beyond the projected maximum salary threshold.

Beal’s cap hold – assuming he turns down his 2022/23 player option – will be equivalent to the maximum salary for a player with 10+ years of NBA experience. If we assume a cap of $122MM, that figure works out to $42.7MM.

One unusual case involves players on rookie contracts whose third- or fourth-year options are declined. The amount of their declined option becomes their cap hold, and if the player’s team wants to re-sign him, his starting salary can’t exceed that amount.

For instance, the Suns declined Jalen Smith‘s 2022/23 fourth-year option last fall before trading him to the Pacers during the season. As a result, the Pacers won’t be able to offer Smith a starting salary this offseason worth more than $4,670,160, the amount of that option. That figure will also be his cap hold.

That rule is in place so a team can’t circumvent the rookie scale and decline its option in an effort to give the player a higher salary. It applies even if the player is traded, as in the case of Smith, but only to the team the player is part of at season’s end. So, theoretically, the Suns could now offer Smith a starting salary greater than $4,670,160 this offseason despite being the team that initially turned down his option.

If a team holds the rights to fewer than 12 players, cap holds worth the rookie minimum salary are assigned to fill out the roster. So, even if a front office chooses to renounce its rights to all of its free agents and doesn’t have any players under contract, the team wouldn’t be able to fully clear its cap. An incomplete roster charge in 2022/23 projects to be worth $1,004,159, meaning a team without any guaranteed salary or any other cap holds would have closer to $110MM in cap room than $122MM.

A player who has been selected in the draft but has not yet officially signed his rookie contract only has a cap hold if he was a first-round selection. A cap hold for a first-round pick is equivalent to 120% of his rookie scale amount, based on his draft position. An unsigned second-round pick doesn’t have a cap hold.

Cap holds aren’t removed from a team’s books until the player signs a new contract or has his rights renounced by the club. For example, the Warriors are still carrying cap holds on their books for retired players David West and Matt Barnes, who never signed new contracts since playing for Golden State.

Keeping those cap holds allows teams some degree of cushion to help them remain above the cap and take advantage of the mid-level exception and trade exceptions, among other advantages afforded capped-out teams. If and when the Warriors want to maximize their cap room, they’ll renounce West and Barnes, but they’ve been over the cap and haven’t required any added flexibility since those players became free agents in 2017.

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5/3/2022  11:23 AM
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Nalod wrote:Sac has Mark Jax, Steve Clifford and Mike Brown as finalists to coach. Clifford the best of the bunch but my guess is Mike Brown gets the gig. he stayed true to his craft and kept as assistant coach and done well. Jax really does not have the experince outside of GSW and its been a few years since. Coaches learn and grow thru experience. Curious why Borrego not on radar. he might have personality issues?? Things did not end well in charlotte but when michael is the boss, its gonna happen.

Rooting for Mark, just so I don't have to listen to him anymore on ESPN...

lol, he is really irritating

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5/3/2022  11:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/3/2022  11:29 AM
Nalod wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Nets improved attendance and now 13th in the league, Knicks 8th. about $900k per game gate. Joe Tsai keeps going thru Execs. His stock down, china clamp down on tech.
Prokerhav made a good deal and got out way in front of Sanctions (been a few years actually) and Tsai might want to cut back and sell also? If he can play the long game, he'll do well.
Nets were to supplant Rockets as Chinese favored team.
Missing more playoff game hurt Nets revenue bad.
Knicks have 3 lowest payroll this year. That will change with Mitch (if) and RJ due raises.
No telling what happens.
Rumors out of Utah Mitchell is staying. They will build around him. More talk Gobert moves. Just articles.
Things not feeling so good in Minny? I guess that when you blow leads fans go nuts? DOn't we know.
Trae gotta play defense. Dude has to at least try.

Sac has Mark Jax, Steve Clifford and Mike Brown as finalists to coach. Clifford the best of the bunch but my guess is Mike Brown gets the gig. he stayed true to his craft and kept as assistant coach and done well. Jax really does not have the experince outside of GSW and its been a few years since. Coaches learn and grow thru experience. Curious why Borrego not on radar. he might have personality issues?? Things did not end well in charlotte but when michael is the boss, its gonna happen.

Only reason knicks are 8th in attendance is MSG's capacity for basketball games is 19,800. Compare that to a much newer arena not located in the middle of Manhattan like United Center which has 20,900 capacity

By that measure Knicks by % of home games tickets sold are 14th in the league selling 94% of their capacity. Thus your theory is remarkably daft.
Bulls do play in downtown Chicago.
Knicks at the gate did better than Nets but not at their capacity.
http://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/sort/homePct

MSG by capicity ranks 4th in the NBA. Another solid PhilC fable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_arenas

Arena capcity have been trending lower. For example the Charlotte Coliseum built for the Hornetts for their 1988 season had a capacity of 24,000 but it was replaced mostly becuase it was in the "suburbs" and had very few high prices suites. The spectrum in charlotts is downtown with 19,077 capacity. ITs about revenue. The palace at Auburn Hills sat 22,000. new area sits 2000 less. Memphis newer arena seats about 3,000 less than old one. etc.

United Center is not in the loop which is downtown Chicago. One of the reasons it’s a bigger arena than MSG

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5/3/2022  12:36 PM
Philc1 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Nets improved attendance and now 13th in the league, Knicks 8th. about $900k per game gate. Joe Tsai keeps going thru Execs. His stock down, china clamp down on tech.
Prokerhav made a good deal and got out way in front of Sanctions (been a few years actually) and Tsai might want to cut back and sell also? If he can play the long game, he'll do well.
Nets were to supplant Rockets as Chinese favored team.
Missing more playoff game hurt Nets revenue bad.
Knicks have 3 lowest payroll this year. That will change with Mitch (if) and RJ due raises.
No telling what happens.
Rumors out of Utah Mitchell is staying. They will build around him. More talk Gobert moves. Just articles.
Things not feeling so good in Minny? I guess that when you blow leads fans go nuts? DOn't we know.
Trae gotta play defense. Dude has to at least try.

Sac has Mark Jax, Steve Clifford and Mike Brown as finalists to coach. Clifford the best of the bunch but my guess is Mike Brown gets the gig. he stayed true to his craft and kept as assistant coach and done well. Jax really does not have the experince outside of GSW and its been a few years since. Coaches learn and grow thru experience. Curious why Borrego not on radar. he might have personality issues?? Things did not end well in charlotte but when michael is the boss, its gonna happen.

Only reason knicks are 8th in attendance is MSG's capacity for basketball games is 19,800. Compare that to a much newer arena not located in the middle of Manhattan like United Center which has 20,900 capacity

By that measure Knicks by % of home games tickets sold are 14th in the league selling 94% of their capacity. Thus your theory is remarkably daft.
Bulls do play in downtown Chicago.
Knicks at the gate did better than Nets but not at their capacity.
http://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/sort/homePct

MSG by capicity ranks 4th in the NBA. Another solid PhilC fable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_arenas

Arena capcity have been trending lower. For example the Charlotte Coliseum built for the Hornetts for their 1988 season had a capacity of 24,000 but it was replaced mostly becuase it was in the "suburbs" and had very few high prices suites. The spectrum in charlotts is downtown with 19,077 capacity. ITs about revenue. The palace at Auburn Hills sat 22,000. new area sits 2000 less. Memphis newer arena seats about 3,000 less than old one. etc.

United Center is not in the loop which is downtown Chicago. One of the reasons it’s a bigger arena than MSG

Bulls 99.8% of capacity to knicks 94%. There are two measures. Of course if knicks had full capicity they could not outdraw a team with a bigger capacity.
MSG is 4th in the NBA with Capacity. More important is % of capacity. Knicks still did quite well with a losing record compared to other teams. I gave you the thread so you'd learn.
Do you ignore things when given the opportunity to expand your knowledge or you just inept?

Only reason knicks are 8th in attendance is MSG's capacity for basketball games is 19,800.

YOu said only reason. now your at "One of the reasons". Why double down on dumb? Can't say "Wow, that is interesting!"?
I come to the UK to learn. You detract from that and dumb this place down.

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5/3/2022  2:34 PM

Oh dear...

If Harden doesn't return to Sixers, where does he go? Who wants to max him out now that Playoff Harden and the Harden who dogs it to get traded now play at exactly the same level?

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5/3/2022  7:51 PM
smackeddog wrote:

Oh dear...

If Harden doesn't return to Sixers, where does he go? Who wants to max him out now that Playoff Harden and the Harden who dogs it to get traded now play at exactly the same level?


thats ****ing hilarious to me. imagine a 2nd year player doing this an mvp. how the mighty have fallen.
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