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BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Illegal Immigration to the US is at its lowest level since 2004, Obama has deported more illegal aliens, undocumented workers, than any other president.

My views on illegal immigration used to be closer to yours (having lived in fla) until I saw how these trade deals were making a mess of things across the border. We have tens of millions of baby boomers retiring in the coming years, we need people kicking into the system to be able to provide for them. Many millions of seniors wont be able to fully provide for themselves. We need the tax dollars.

If you want to blame someone for the lost jobs to illegals, blame the companies that hire them at lower wages, who skirt labor laws. Id blame them before some desperate mfer trying to feed his family.

Most illegals are long term residents, the problem isnt as dire as you say it is. One more example of Trump and others using this subject to distract you and the other Trumpettes. The fact is that most of the problems this country faces was caused mostly by white people. As a white guy I take no pleasure in saying that, but its the truth.

All problems are from white people... If they will go back to Europe (together with Asian which should go back to Asia and African Americans who should go back to Africa) and leave America to Native Americans the Golden Age will arrive in no time.
This was already tested in South African countries and locals are going back to lifestyle they like rather quickly...
And also in Gaza Palestinians build the society they comfortable to leave in very fast after Israeli left.
...Seriously speaking if you do nothing you will make no mistakes... and will sit in front of the fire in the cave eating the fresh killed antelope... Also it will be no Global Warming which is obviously another crime of white man.

I guess its all about having "breathing room" right?

Exactly... imagine all this bison roaming free in the Plains and proud Chiefs leading the warriors to the battle.. sacred places and Shaman dense... so beautiful and authentic. No drunk cowboys and greedy slave-owners... Now I am dreaming...

Somehow I dont believe thats the "breathing room" you fully support. You always seem to side with the oppressors over the oppressed, the wealthy over the poor, the colonizers over the colonized. Only the things that affect your demographic seem to concern you, everything else is just one big joke.

I am siding with Progress and I accept the price the human race as a whole and specific cultures are paying for it.
If you think we are not better of now comparing to the past ages I do not know what to say.
Yes, in many ways the civilization we build is based on blood, sweat, and struggles of millions who were treated badly.
There was no other way and still is no other way.

Thats very pretty and all, but it doesnt change anything I said. Accepting things the way they are right now is one thing. Endorsing them, enabling them, is entirely another.

If you have the solution in mind to make things better now or going forward this should be always considered.
However the mechanism of the society is quite complicated and driven by lows of human nature same as the low of nature define our universe. And human nature is changing very slowly. We are greedy aggressive carnivores give or take.
We are getting more "human" as it makes sense more and more but it is a very gradual and uneven process.

Thats what most of us have been doing in this thread, not playing the gadfly. Our country never would have been founded with your attitude. East India Tea Company have a monopoly on Tea? Why have a Tea Party? Let them tax us and give an unfair advantage to the largest corporation the world has ever seen. Lets just crack some jokes, and get back to going broke. Sure, that would have worked too.

US is just an episode (and small one for this matter) in human history.
If it will not be the other country will play its role.
I am just observing and see a lot of sense in what is happening.

Seems like an easy way to excuse any type of behavior, no matter how barbaric. I will have to remember that the next time you are "aggrieved".

Accept the reality does not mean agree with it.
You have no any other choice anyways.
Surrender and do best you can to apply love and humanity to you immediate family, friends, and community.
If everyone will do just that it will go ling way to make whole creation a better place.

Ive seen nothing to indicate that you are anything but ok with the status quo. Your language (however florid) comes down to "bend over and take it because you have no choice." The clarion call of every authoritarian and bigot.

Like I said, the next time you go on about feeling personally aggrieved, however personal. Im going to give you the same que será, será, thats how the cookie crumbles, horse****. Im going to remind you about how dismissive you have been about the problems of others, to the point of mocking the suffering of others on this board.

We are not here to change someones opinion because it is silly and unrealistic.
We just exchanging opinions we personally have.
And yes - I am for Status Quo for sure.
Revolution is synonymous for suffering.
Revolution makes pure people suffer and dead, reach people find other places to be rich, and for criminals to became rich.
So I will take Status Quo over revolution any day.

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meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:In reaction to Hillary calling Trump out on the bankruptcies and his reputation for stiffing people who have done work for him:

TRUMP: So, yeah, I think — I do think it’s time. Look, it’s all words, it’s all sound bites. I built an unbelievable company. Some of the greatest assets anywhere in the world, real estate assets anywhere in the world, beyond the United States, in Europe, lots of different places. It’s an unbelievable company.

But on occasion, four times, we used certain laws that are there. And when Secretary Clinton talks about people that didn’t get paid, first of all, they did get paid a lot, but taken advantage of the laws of the nation.

Now, if you want to change the laws, you’ve been there a long time, change the laws. But I take advantage of the laws of the nation because I’m running a company. My obligation right now is to do well for myself, my family, my employees, for my companies. And that’s what I do.

But what she doesn’t say is that tens of thousands of people that are unbelievably happy and that love me. I’ll give you an example... There are at least two posters on UltimateKnicks.com who know I am the man and will make America great again...

https://medium.com/@PolitiFact/politifacts-annotated-transcript-of-the-first-presidential-debate-9d7ff2fb9841#.jhk1m5reb

I get the Hillary dislike, but I am floored that anyone with an IQ above Forest Gump would go to this guy as an alternative. I will say Trump has some good ideas, he's pushing transparency in areas there needs to be more especially in calling out the Fed and Yellen for manipulating the market for political agendas. However what is his plan to implement any change? There never is one.. what is worse is if he fights the fed, rates go up (remember the 12-14% interest rates during Regan's 80s? Any home owners grasp what that means?)... that bubble he talks about pops, and what is Don going to do to combat the ensuing recession/depression? He's going to ensure the wealthy stay wealthy. He has said this. If Briggs has some serious holdings that would explain the Trump love. That's just cash straight into the pockets.

Ha...He is wrong about that too...Yellen is not manipulating the market with low interest rates for political agendas..Thats nonsense...They will raise in December and the stock market won't tank for those reasons but will tank for other reasons...

Yellen and past Fed Chairs have manipulated the market with low interest rates. The political agenda stuff was hyperbole. Fed has its own agenda.

Global interest rates are zero to negative...We are on a raising trajectory while others are cutting...It not manipulation It's call management of the economy...

Management not manipulation, LOL OK. Because the impact of this management is so transparent to the general populace being impacted by it.

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:In reaction to Hillary calling Trump out on the bankruptcies and his reputation for stiffing people who have done work for him:

TRUMP: So, yeah, I think — I do think it’s time. Look, it’s all words, it’s all sound bites. I built an unbelievable company. Some of the greatest assets anywhere in the world, real estate assets anywhere in the world, beyond the United States, in Europe, lots of different places. It’s an unbelievable company.

But on occasion, four times, we used certain laws that are there. And when Secretary Clinton talks about people that didn’t get paid, first of all, they did get paid a lot, but taken advantage of the laws of the nation.

Now, if you want to change the laws, you’ve been there a long time, change the laws. But I take advantage of the laws of the nation because I’m running a company. My obligation right now is to do well for myself, my family, my employees, for my companies. And that’s what I do.

But what she doesn’t say is that tens of thousands of people that are unbelievably happy and that love me. I’ll give you an example... There are at least two posters on UltimateKnicks.com who know I am the man and will make America great again...

https://medium.com/@PolitiFact/politifacts-annotated-transcript-of-the-first-presidential-debate-9d7ff2fb9841#.jhk1m5reb

I get the Hillary dislike, but I am floored that anyone with an IQ above Forest Gump would go to this guy as an alternative. I will say Trump has some good ideas, he's pushing transparency in areas there needs to be more especially in calling out the Fed and Yellen for manipulating the market for political agendas. However what is his plan to implement any change? There never is one.. what is worse is if he fights the fed, rates go up (remember the 12-14% interest rates during Regan's 80s? Any home owners grasp what that means?)... that bubble he talks about pops, and what is Don going to do to combat the ensuing recession/depression? He's going to ensure the wealthy stay wealthy. He has said this. If Briggs has some serious holdings that would explain the Trump love. That's just cash straight into the pockets.

Ha...He is wrong about that too...Yellen is not manipulating the market with low interest rates for political agendas..Thats nonsense...They will raise in December and the stock market won't tank for those reasons but will tank for other reasons...

Yellen and past Fed Chairs have manipulated the market with low interest rates. The political agenda stuff was hyperbole. Fed has its own agenda.

Global interest rates are zero to negative...We are on a raising trajectory while others are cutting...It not manipulation It's call management of the economy...

Management not manipulation, LOL OK. Because the impact of this management is so transparent to the general populace being impacted by it.

Well you have to explain why it manipulation don't you??..Inflation etc.??

Not sure what you are asking, clarify your question?

mreinman wrote:I thought that she killed him. Her problem is that based on polls, too many don't trust her and may not like her even though they seem to believe that she will certainly be more presidential than trump.

This was George Bush seniors problem as well. He had problems with his likability and connecting with people. Bill Clinton on the other hand was fantastic at this.

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:In reaction to Hillary calling Trump out on the bankruptcies and his reputation for stiffing people who have done work for him:

TRUMP: So, yeah, I think — I do think it’s time. Look, it’s all words, it’s all sound bites. I built an unbelievable company. Some of the greatest assets anywhere in the world, real estate assets anywhere in the world, beyond the United States, in Europe, lots of different places. It’s an unbelievable company.

But on occasion, four times, we used certain laws that are there. And when Secretary Clinton talks about people that didn’t get paid, first of all, they did get paid a lot, but taken advantage of the laws of the nation.

Now, if you want to change the laws, you’ve been there a long time, change the laws. But I take advantage of the laws of the nation because I’m running a company. My obligation right now is to do well for myself, my family, my employees, for my companies. And that’s what I do.

But what she doesn’t say is that tens of thousands of people that are unbelievably happy and that love me. I’ll give you an example... There are at least two posters on UltimateKnicks.com who know I am the man and will make America great again...

https://medium.com/@PolitiFact/politifacts-annotated-transcript-of-the-first-presidential-debate-9d7ff2fb9841#.jhk1m5reb

I get the Hillary dislike, but I am floored that anyone with an IQ above Forest Gump would go to this guy as an alternative. I will say Trump has some good ideas, he's pushing transparency in areas there needs to be more especially in calling out the Fed and Yellen for manipulating the market for political agendas. However what is his plan to implement any change? There never is one.. what is worse is if he fights the fed, rates go up (remember the 12-14% interest rates during Regan's 80s? Any home owners grasp what that means?)... that bubble he talks about pops, and what is Don going to do to combat the ensuing recession/depression? He's going to ensure the wealthy stay wealthy. He has said this. If Briggs has some serious holdings that would explain the Trump love. That's just cash straight into the pockets.

Ha...He is wrong about that too...Yellen is not manipulating the market with low interest rates for political agendas..Thats nonsense...They will raise in December and the stock market won't tank for those reasons but will tank for other reasons...

Yellen and past Fed Chairs have manipulated the market with low interest rates. The political agenda stuff was hyperbole. Fed has its own agenda.

Global interest rates are zero to negative...We are on a raising trajectory while others are cutting...It not manipulation It's call management of the economy...

Management not manipulation, LOL OK. Because the impact of this management is so transparent to the general populace being impacted by it.

Well you have to explain why it manipulation don't you??..Inflation etc.??

Not sure what you are asking, clarify your question?

What evidence do you have to say it's manipulation?

How manipulation is different from management?
Both are manipulations...

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:In reaction to Hillary calling Trump out on the bankruptcies and his reputation for stiffing people who have done work for him:

TRUMP: So, yeah, I think — I do think it’s time. Look, it’s all words, it’s all sound bites. I built an unbelievable company. Some of the greatest assets anywhere in the world, real estate assets anywhere in the world, beyond the United States, in Europe, lots of different places. It’s an unbelievable company.

But on occasion, four times, we used certain laws that are there. And when Secretary Clinton talks about people that didn’t get paid, first of all, they did get paid a lot, but taken advantage of the laws of the nation.

Now, if you want to change the laws, you’ve been there a long time, change the laws. But I take advantage of the laws of the nation because I’m running a company. My obligation right now is to do well for myself, my family, my employees, for my companies. And that’s what I do.

But what she doesn’t say is that tens of thousands of people that are unbelievably happy and that love me. I’ll give you an example... There are at least two posters on UltimateKnicks.com who know I am the man and will make America great again...

https://medium.com/@PolitiFact/politifacts-annotated-transcript-of-the-first-presidential-debate-9d7ff2fb9841#.jhk1m5reb

I get the Hillary dislike, but I am floored that anyone with an IQ above Forest Gump would go to this guy as an alternative. I will say Trump has some good ideas, he's pushing transparency in areas there needs to be more especially in calling out the Fed and Yellen for manipulating the market for political agendas. However what is his plan to implement any change? There never is one.. what is worse is if he fights the fed, rates go up (remember the 12-14% interest rates during Regan's 80s? Any home owners grasp what that means?)... that bubble he talks about pops, and what is Don going to do to combat the ensuing recession/depression? He's going to ensure the wealthy stay wealthy. He has said this. If Briggs has some serious holdings that would explain the Trump love. That's just cash straight into the pockets.

Ha...He is wrong about that too...Yellen is not manipulating the market with low interest rates for political agendas..Thats nonsense...They will raise in December and the stock market won't tank for those reasons but will tank for other reasons...

Yellen and past Fed Chairs have manipulated the market with low interest rates. The political agenda stuff was hyperbole. Fed has its own agenda.

Global interest rates are zero to negative...We are on a raising trajectory while others are cutting...It not manipulation It's call management of the economy...

Management not manipulation, LOL OK. Because the impact of this management is so transparent to the general populace being impacted by it.

Well you have to explain why it manipulation don't you??..Inflation etc.??

Not sure what you are asking, clarify your question?

What evidence do you have to say it's manipulation?

How manipulation is different from management?
Both are manipulations...

Management is taking all the economic indicators and non-economic indicators to make a decision on rates like payrolls report, CPI data, Brexit which if e raise rates in July ahead of Brexit could have had an negative impact on the stock market...Manipulation is when you have no reason for your course of action..You folks act like economist don't sit around and evaluate the outcome after every meeting..

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arkrud wrote:

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arkrud wrote:

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BRIGGS wrote:Does anyone know people who work in a hospital? If you work in a hospital in an inner city--you darn well know why we need HUGE HUGE immigration reform. Minorities with the MAIN offender being ILLEGAL Hispanics use OUR medical system for their own benefit. They come here pregnant Illegally at 7 -8 months--have a baby and
they get free healthcare section 8 housing food stamps and they do the process over and over again. The more babies--the more free stuff--and its all on everyone elses shoulders to pay for. Hi\s panics have blown away AA in population over the last twenty years and now make up the highest minority in the uS.

This system of entitlement and the process of being able to step on US soil from ANY country ILLEGAL and have a child born as a LEGAL US citizen has to stop. This is just one facet of whats wrong with our immigration system and it costs in the hundreds of billions of taxpayers money and or insurance premiums to pay for. It isnt fair. If you are here illegally and NOT paying fair taxes and using our medical system loopholes that were intended for true hardship against true US citizens--you need to GTFO.

And we can babycake the truth--but this is fact and it needs to stop. We need to stop all avenues that continue to pound on the deficit or at some point what ever you have done for you your family what you have as a home or in the bank may not matter anymore. The free ride has to be over

I think trump knows this but I dont think Hillary gives one crackadoodle iota.

Illegal Immigration to the US is at its lowest level since 2004, Obama has deported more illegal aliens, undocumented workers, than any other president.

My views on illegal immigration used to be closer to yours (having lived in fla) until I saw how these trade deals were making a mess of things across the border. We have tens of millions of baby boomers retiring in the coming years, we need people kicking into the system to be able to provide for them. Many millions of seniors wont be able to fully provide for themselves. We need the tax dollars.

If you want to blame someone for the lost jobs to illegals, blame the companies that hire them at lower wages, who skirt labor laws. Id blame them before some desperate mfer trying to feed his family.

Most illegals are long term residents, the problem isnt as dire as you say it is. One more example of Trump and others using this subject to distract you and the other Trumpettes. The fact is that most of the problems this country faces was caused mostly by white people. As a white guy I take no pleasure in saying that, but its the truth.

All problems are from white people... If they will go back to Europe (together with Asian which should go back to Asia and African Americans who should go back to Africa) and leave America to Native Americans the Golden Age will arrive in no time.
This was already tested in South African countries and locals are going back to lifestyle they like rather quickly...
And also in Gaza Palestinians build the society they comfortable to leave in very fast after Israeli left.
...Seriously speaking if you do nothing you will make no mistakes... and will sit in front of the fire in the cave eating the fresh killed antelope... Also it will be no Global Warming which is obviously another crime of white man.

I guess its all about having "breathing room" right?

Exactly... imagine all this bison roaming free in the Plains and proud Chiefs leading the warriors to the battle.. sacred places and Shaman dense... so beautiful and authentic. No drunk cowboys and greedy slave-owners... Now I am dreaming...

Somehow I dont believe thats the "breathing room" you fully support. You always seem to side with the oppressors over the oppressed, the wealthy over the poor, the colonizers over the colonized. Only the things that affect your demographic seem to concern you, everything else is just one big joke.

I am siding with Progress and I accept the price the human race as a whole and specific cultures are paying for it.
If you think we are not better of now comparing to the past ages I do not know what to say.
Yes, in many ways the civilization we build is based on blood, sweat, and struggles of millions who were treated badly.
There was no other way and still is no other way.

Thats very pretty and all, but it doesnt change anything I said. Accepting things the way they are right now is one thing. Endorsing them, enabling them, is entirely another.

If you have the solution in mind to make things better now or going forward this should be always considered.
However the mechanism of the society is quite complicated and driven by lows of human nature same as the low of nature define our universe. And human nature is changing very slowly. We are greedy aggressive carnivores give or take.
We are getting more "human" as it makes sense more and more but it is a very gradual and uneven process.

Thats what most of us have been doing in this thread, not playing the gadfly. Our country never would have been founded with your attitude. East India Tea Company have a monopoly on Tea? Why have a Tea Party? Let them tax us and give an unfair advantage to the largest corporation the world has ever seen. Lets just crack some jokes, and get back to going broke. Sure, that would have worked too.

US is just an episode (and small one for this matter) in human history.
If it will not be the other country will play its role.
I am just observing and see a lot of sense in what is happening.

Seems like an easy way to excuse any type of behavior, no matter how barbaric. I will have to remember that the next time you are "aggrieved".

Accept the reality does not mean agree with it.
You have no any other choice anyways.
Surrender and do best you can to apply love and humanity to you immediate family, friends, and community.
If everyone will do just that it will go ling way to make whole creation a better place.

Ive seen nothing to indicate that you are anything but ok with the status quo. Your language (however florid) comes down to "bend over and take it because you have no choice." The clarion call of every authoritarian and bigot.

Like I said, the next time you go on about feeling personally aggrieved, however personal. Im going to give you the same que será, será, thats how the cookie crumbles, horse****. Im going to remind you about how dismissive you have been about the problems of others, to the point of mocking the suffering of others on this board.

We are not here to change someones opinion because it is silly and unrealistic.
We just exchanging opinions we personally have.
And yes - I am for Status Quo for sure.
Revolution is synonymous for suffering.
Revolution makes pure people suffer and dead, reach people find other places to be rich, and for criminals to became rich.
So I will take Status Quo over revolution any day.

Like I said, the next time you go on about feeling personally aggrieved, however personal. Im going to give you the same que será, será, thats how the cookie crumbles, horse****. Im going to remind you about how dismissive you have been about the problems of others, to the point of mocking the suffering of others on this board.

holfresh wrote:By the way..Trump contradicts himself which is no surprise..He claims the economy is in shambles yet thinks the FED should raise rates...When the economy is in shambles then you lower rates..

is that really a one to one? Many other factors there such as the bond market and inflation.