If we were to lose the series, my guess would be that Leon would make it his mission to give the Knicks one of the best benches in the league. Honestly have no idea what he will do with the starting lineup, if anything.

I think Leon will lose his patience if we dont make the Finals next season because Rose's new aquisitions are gathering dust on the bench.

GustavBahler wrote:One stat that struck me last night was hearing that Indy's rotation is 11 deep. Thats a lot of bodies to throw at a tight rotation.

If we were to lose the series, my guess would be that Leon would make it his mission to give the Knicks one of the best benches in the league. Honestly have no idea what he will do with the starting lineup, if anything.

I think Leon will lose his patience if we dont make the Finals next season because Rose's new aquisitions are gathering dust on the bench.

Sounds like a Thibs problem.

If Rose is keeping Thibs as his head coach, Rose needs to find a 7 man rotation that includes more 2-way players. For example:

Someone like hart who can shoot 3s
Someone like towns who can protect the paint

I think we have the roster to win it all, and we have a coach who can win it all. But I don’t think the roster and coach is a good match, even though they are winning. I think the talent is so good, we can win on talent alone with Thibs adjusting day to day.

Not sure Thibs can adjust quick enough in games right now and maybe that’s part of his learning curve. Can he grow into that type of coach? Yes. Can towns and JB become defensive stoppers? No. I’ve always said it’s a challenge to build a team around two non defenders. And since those two have been picking up fouls lately, their defense will only get worse just to keep the fouls down. That puts added pressure on their offensive efficiency.

GustavBahler wrote:Thibs might not survive a sweep, dont think he does. Have to wonder if KAT will survive as well.

Well, I think we're stuck with KAT. His salary number doesn't really work for the majority of teams in the NBA. I don't think Leon fires Thibs, but I'm having a hard time figuring how else they improve internally.

GustavBahler wrote:Thibs might not survive a sweep, dont think he does. Have to wonder if KAT will survive as well.

I’ve been a big KAT supporter but his head has been in lala land. Not making the smart plays. Taking bad shots.

I fundamentally disagree with this team’s shot selection. The propensity for iso ball to rely on midrange fadeaways is just silly. Bad math.

Pacers are whooping us rightly and they can’t seem to do nothing about it.

EwingsGlass wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Thibs might not survive a sweep, dont think he does. Have to wonder if KAT will survive as well.

I’ve been a big KAT supporter but his head has been in lala land. Not making the smart plays. Taking bad shots.

I fundamentally disagree with this team’s shot selection. The propensity for iso ball to rely on midrange fadeaways is just silly. Bad math.

Pacers are whooping us rightly and they can’t seem to do nothing about it.

Some posessions it looked like KAT's mind was somewhere else on D. Not that he wasnt fast enough. In the ECF thats hard to explain.

EwingsGlass wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Thibs might not survive a sweep, dont think he does. Have to wonder if KAT will survive as well.

I’ve been a big KAT supporter but his head has been in lala land. Not making the smart plays. Taking bad shots.

I fundamentally disagree with this team’s shot selection. The propensity for iso ball to rely on midrange fadeaways is just silly. Bad math.

Pacers are whooping us rightly and they can’t seem to do nothing about it.

Some posessions it looked like KAT's mind was somewhere else on D. Not that he wasnt fast enough. In the ECF thats hard to explain.

I see it. Curious if the rotation changes had KAT confused. The team looks lost.

The only coach who keeps starting the same starters who have a net negative rating.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/tom-thibodeaus-dogmatic-commitment-to-his-starting-lineup-might-cost-the-knicks-a-trip-to-the-nba-finals/

What happens if we had an offensive coach to run a team built around 2 offensive stars? With the same roster, do we go any further? This is a tough hypothetical question.

blkexec wrote:Leon hired a defensive coach.
Gave Thibs 2 outstanding offensive players.
Gave Thibs two wing stoppers in OG and Mikal.
Assistant coaches are all well known with experience.

What happens if we had an offensive coach to run a team built around 2 offensive stars? With the same roster, do we go any further? This is a tough hypothetical question.

Maybe the defense suffers? Good hypothetical.
Seems Pacers are executing better than we are.
They are running sets that have KAT confused.
In my mind pacers record second half of the year and this run thru playoffs demonstrates they are the better team. We are not out of this but the question is are the knicks faltering or is Indy just simply better.

How to get better? Easy to suggest new coach(s) or players.
If this team is not communicating on defense well I might surmise they have room to internally get better as well. If there is a deficit in the coaching I'd hope they fix it. Deeper bench? We have some yoot and perhaps one or two might start to earn time in the rotation?

Usually its the aggregate of it all that matters. Thus, not just one thing or not. One might study Pacers who have had their core now in year two and see how good that has come together.

Fans celebrated beating the Celtics and took to the streets. Disappointed? I get it but dancing in the streets celebrating a 2nd round win is all good, but it sets up the current despondent state of disappointment.

blkexec wrote:

Nalod wrote:

blkexec wrote:Leon hired a defensive coach.
Gave Thibs 2 outstanding offensive players.
Gave Thibs two wing stoppers in OG and Mikal.
Assistant coaches are all well known with experience.

What happens if we had an offensive coach to run a team built around 2 offensive stars? With the same roster, do we go any further? This is a tough hypothetical question.

Maybe the defense suffers? Good hypothetical.
Seems Pacers are executing better than we are.
They are running sets that have KAT confused.
In my mind pacers record second half of the year and this run thru playoffs demonstrates they are the better team. We are not out of this but the question is are the knicks faltering or is Indy just simply better.

How to get better? Easy to suggest new coach(s) or players.
If this team is not communicating on defense well I might surmise they have room to internally get better as well. If there is a deficit in the coaching I'd hope they fix it. Deeper bench? We have some yoot and perhaps one or two might start to earn time in the rotation?

Usually its the aggregate of it all that matters. Thus, not just one thing or not. One might study Pacers who have had their core now in year two and see how good that has come together.

Fans celebrated beating the Celtics and took to the streets. Disappointed? I get it but dancing in the streets celebrating a 2nd round win is all good, but it sets up the current despondent state of disappointment.

So you telling me, with an offensive minded coach, our defense will suffer? Like it’s not suffering with defensive COY Thibs. I’ll take an offensive minded coach that improves the offense and gets the most out of these offensive minded players.

Vs

A defensive minded coach that’s currently struggling on offense and defense.

You have a weird way of saying that we made it past the previous NBA champs and have played 3 tight games in the ECF.

Your expectations are whack man

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Nalod wrote:

blkexec wrote:Leon hired a defensive coach.
Gave Thibs 2 outstanding offensive players.
Gave Thibs two wing stoppers in OG and Mikal.
Assistant coaches are all well known with experience.

What happens if we had an offensive coach to run a team built around 2 offensive stars? With the same roster, do we go any further? This is a tough hypothetical question.

Maybe the defense suffers? Good hypothetical.
Seems Pacers are executing better than we are.
They are running sets that have KAT confused.
In my mind pacers record second half of the year and this run thru playoffs demonstrates they are the better team. We are not out of this but the question is are the knicks faltering or is Indy just simply better.

How to get better? Easy to suggest new coach(s) or players.
If this team is not communicating on defense well I might surmise they have room to internally get better as well. If there is a deficit in the coaching I'd hope they fix it. Deeper bench? We have some yoot and perhaps one or two might start to earn time in the rotation?

Usually its the aggregate of it all that matters. Thus, not just one thing or not. One might study Pacers who have had their core now in year two and see how good that has come together.

Fans celebrated beating the Celtics and took to the streets. Disappointed? I get it but dancing in the streets celebrating a 2nd round win is all good, but it sets up the current despondent state of disappointment.

So you telling me, with an offensive minded coach, our defense will suffer? Like it’s not suffering with defensive COY Thibs. I’ll take an offensive minded coach that improves the offense and gets the most out of these offensive minded players.

Vs

A defensive minded coach that’s currently struggling on offense and defense.

You have a weird way of saying that we made it past the previous NBA champs and have played 3 tight games in the ECF.

Your expectations are whack man

My expectations? 😂

The entire city would’ve burned down the garden with Thibs in it if we got swept.

I’ve said all season, Thibs is an old dog that learns new tricks like playing the defensive guys Leon rose gave you.

So you now giving Thibs flowers for waiting until we are down 0-2 in the ECF to finally playing his bench? Stop the capping as the young generation would say.

Thibs season and some would say his job was on the line to finally say, “oh wait let’s try this bench thing out”

Good adjustment and hopefully it’s permanent. This is our window to win it all. These opportunities don’t come around often.