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Silverfuel
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10/1/2006  7:08 AM
Posted by Marv:

Habeas corpus has been suspended for detainees suspected of terrorism or of aiding terrorism, so the Magna Carta-era rule that a person can face his accusers is now gone.

"Purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States"

If you write a letter to the editor attacking Bush, you could be deemed as purposefully and materially supporting hostilities against the United States. In effect, Congress just gave Bush the power to lock them up.
what next, thought police? thinkcrime? good post Marv. Hey, when you guys get a chance, check out this article about Ancient Rome's 9/11 and how it led to the fall of democracy in that empire.

EDIT: My URL was too long for the page and it was forcing the page to side scroll which I hate so here is the Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/k9wc6

P.S: Worse than Nixon yet?

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 10-01-2006 07:10 AM]
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10/2/2006  12:15 AM
Posted by martin:

Dear fo shizzle my nizzles,

It is: 764.

Good night.

MaTT's a slacker, as usual. (girl must be keeping him "busy")

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Ya shes keepin me busy, but nothing good.
I got tylenol for the headaches but are there any pills for the confusion?
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10/2/2006  3:13 AM
Posted by MaTT4281:
Posted by martin:

Dear fo shizzle my nizzles,

It is: 764.

Good night.

MaTT's a slacker, as usual. (girl must be keeping him "busy")

763

Ya shes keepin me busy, but nothing good.
I got tylenol for the headaches but are there any pills for the confusion?

oh yikes. I think every guy/girl goes through the same. Better to keep the other half informed early and often rather than late or never or in a way that is not clear. Like so: This is how I feel and what I am looking for, and don't be hesitant to ask and expect the same in return, and if you don't get it in return, it's time to reassess the other half. Sometimes you have to use a soft approach and at other times go very direct, over time you will get a feel for when and which is better.

If you are 21, do a snakebite, Goldschloger, whiskey (multiple rotations if necessary and depending on "headache/confusion" size), hit the dance floor and let some sexy momma show you how she likes to move up close. Real close.
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10/2/2006  8:25 PM
Posted by Marv:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092906J.shtml

In Case I Disappear
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Friday 29 September 2006

I have been told a thousand times at least, in the years I have spent reporting on the astonishing and repugnant abuses, lies and failures of the Bush administration, to watch my back. "Be careful," people always tell me. "These people are capable of anything. Stay off small planes, make sure you aren't being followed." A running joke between my mother and me is that she has a "safe room" set up for me in her cabin in the woods, in the event I have to flee because of something I wrote or said.

I always laughed and shook my head whenever I heard this stuff. Extreme paranoia wrapped in the tinfoil of conspiracy, I thought. This is still America, and these Bush fools will soon pass into history, I thought. I am a citizen, and the First Amendment hasn't yet been red-lined, I thought.

Matters are different now.

It seems, perhaps, that the people who warned me were not so paranoid. It seems, perhaps, that I was not paranoid enough. Legislation passed by the Republican House and Senate, legislation now marching up to the Republican White House for signature, has shattered a number of bedrock legal protections for suspects, prisoners, and pretty much anyone else George W. Bush deems to be an enemy.

So much of this legislation is wretched on the surface. Habeas corpus has been suspended for detainees suspected of terrorism or of aiding terrorism, so the Magna Carta-era rule that a person can face his accusers is now gone. Once a suspect has been thrown into prison, he does not have the right to a trial by his peers. Suspects cannot even stand in representation of themselves, another ancient protection, but must accept a military lawyer as their defender.

Illegally-obtained evidence can be used against suspects, whether that illegal evidence was gathered abroad or right here at home. To my way of thinking, this pretty much eradicates our security in persons, houses, papers, and effects, as stated in the Fourth Amendment, against illegal searches and seizures.

Speaking of collecting evidence, the torture of suspects and detainees has been broadly protected by this new legislation. While it tries to delineate what is and is not acceptable treatment of detainees, in the end, it gives George W. Bush the final word on what constitutes torture. US officials who use cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment to extract information from detainees are now shielded from prosecution.

It was two Supreme Court decisions, Hamdi v. Rumsfeld and Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, that compelled the creation of this legislation. The Hamdi decision held that a prisoner has the right of habeas corpus, and can challenge his detention before an impartial judge. The Hamdan decision held that the military commissions set up to try detainees violated both the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the Geneva Conventions.

In short, the Supreme Court wiped out virtually every legal argument the Bush administration put forth to defend its extraordinary and dangerous behavior. The passage of this legislation came after a scramble by Republicans to paper over the torture and murder of a number of detainees. As columnist Molly Ivins wrote on Wednesday, "Of the over 700 prisoners sent to Gitmo, only 10 have ever been formally charged with anything. Among other things, this bill is a CYA for torture of the innocent that has already taken place."

It seems almost certain that, at some point, the Supreme Court will hear a case to challenge the legality of this legislation, but even this is questionable. If a detainee is not allowed access to a fair trial or to the evidence against him, how can he bring a legal challenge to a court? The legislation, in anticipation of court challenges like Hamdi and Hamdan, even includes severe restrictions on judicial review over the legislation itself.

The Republicans in Congress have managed, at the behest of Mr. Bush, to draft a bill that all but erases the judicial branch of the government. Time will tell whether this aspect, along with all the others, will withstand legal challenges. If such a challenge comes, it will take time, and meanwhile there is this bill. All of the above is deplorable on its face, indefensible in a nation that prides itself on Constitutional rights, protections and the rule of law.

Underneath all this, however, is where the paranoia sets in.

Underneath all this is the definition of "enemy combatant" that has been established by this legislation. An "enemy combatant" is now no longer just someone captured "during an armed conflict" against our forces. Thanks to this legislation, George W. Bush is now able to designate as an "enemy combatant" anyone who has "purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States."

Consider that language a moment. "Purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States" is in the eye of the beholder, and this administration has proven itself to be astonishingly impatient with criticism of any kind. The broad powers given to Bush by this legislation allow him to capture, indefinitely detain, and refuse a hearing to any American citizen who speaks out against Iraq or any other part of the so-called "War on Terror."

If you write a letter to the editor attacking Bush, you could be deemed as purposefully and materially supporting hostilities against the United States. If you organize or join a public demonstration against Iraq, or against the administration, the same designation could befall you. One dark-comedy aspect of the legislation is that senators or House members who publicly disagree with Bush, criticize him, or organize investigations into his dealings could be placed under the same designation. In effect, Congress just gave Bush the power to lock them up.

By writing this essay, I could be deemed an "enemy combatant." It's that simple, and very soon, it will be the law. I always laughed when people told me to be careful. I'm not laughing anymore.

In case I disappear, remember this. America is an idea, a dream, and that is all. We have borders and armies and citizens and commerce and industry, but all this merely makes us like every other nation on this Earth. What separates us is the idea, the simple idea, that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are our organizing principles. We can think as we please, speak as we please, write as we please, worship as we please, go where we please. We are protected from the kinds of tyranny that inspired our creation as a nation in the first place.

That was the idea. That was the dream. It may all be over now, but once upon a time, it existed. No good idea ever truly dies. The dream was here, and so was I, and so were you.

William Rivers Pitt is a New York Times and internationally bestselling author of two books: War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You to Know and The Greatest Sedition Is Silence. His newest book, House of Ill Repute: Reflections on War, Lies, and America's Ravaged Reputation, will be available this winter from PoliPointPress.

Oh, we shouldn't worry about little things like this. All these extra rights were just confusing us all anyway. I think the moral clarity offered by the Bush Administration will greatly simplify our lives. It's easy: Just follow the rules and walk the straight and narrow, that way they don't have to take away your legal rights and/or apply the electrodes to your balls. Oh, and just ignore those screams when your neighbors are dragged away late at night. Just pretend you didn't hear them.



[Edited by - basketballjones on 10-02-2006 20:26]
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10/2/2006  8:44 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Marv:

i'm on #3. knock em dead tomorrow man.

wow early. the alcohol doesn't mix with me until later, when I start to mix with the ladies.

good luck Silver!

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10/3/2006  12:28 AM
762. Woman problems?
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10/3/2006  12:46 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by MaTT4281:
Posted by martin:

Dear fo shizzle my nizzles,

It is: 764.

Good night.

MaTT's a slacker, as usual. (girl must be keeping him "busy")

763

Ya shes keepin me busy, but nothing good.
I got tylenol for the headaches but are there any pills for the confusion?

oh yikes. I think every guy/girl goes through the same. Better to keep the other half informed early and often rather than late or never or in a way that is not clear. Like so: This is how I feel and what I am looking for, and don't be hesitant to ask and expect the same in return, and if you don't get it in return, it's time to reassess the other half. Sometimes you have to use a soft approach and at other times go very direct, over time you will get a feel for when and which is better.

If you are 21, do a snakebite, Goldschloger, whiskey (multiple rotations if necessary and depending on "headache/confusion" size), hit the dance floor and let some sexy momma show you how she likes to move up close. Real close.

Only 50 minutes late tonight. Not too bad.

I am whipped, I will be the first to admit it. I am always the first to give in cause she wears me down, but can someone please explain how when I agree with her, she starts saying I was right and we start having the exact same fight from the opposite sides?
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10/3/2006  10:20 PM
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1003-36.htm
Is Olbermann on Thin Ice?
by Jeff Cohen


I fear for Keith Olbermann.

Like so many others who hunger for some journalistic independence on TV news, I often marvel at Olbermann’s dogged reporting and unique commentary. In a cable news environment of conformity and conservatism, the MSNBC host takes on the Bush administration for “demonizing dissent,” for abusing our Constitutional traditions, for “taking cynical advantage of the unanimity and love [following 9/11], and transmuting it into fraudulent war and needless death.”

Only Olbermann talks about Team Bush “monstrously transforming [9/11 unity] into fear and suspicion, and turning that fear into the campaign slogan of three elections.” He was virtually alone on TV news in seriously reporting on 2004 election irregularities in Ohio, and in exploring the pre-Iraq war Downing Street Memos indicating White House deception. In recent months, his prime targets seem to have evolved from softer ones like Bill O’Reilly to bigger game: Bush and his minions.

It’s worth noting that strong criticism of an extremist presidency hardly makes Olbermann a leftist. I remember him as the whimsical sports guy on ESPN. I remember his first go-round on MSNBC in 1998 when he could have sued his bosses for repetitive stress disorder for having to host scores of Lewinsky episodes on the road to Clinton’s impeachment – an impeachment that may well have been impossible if not for the complicity of TV news.

It’s obvious his bosses at MSNBC/NBC/GE never envisioned the increasingly bold Olbermann of recent months. It’s likely that Olbermann himself could not have foreseen his current role as the lone voice of those who feel assaulted by a cable news business dominated by the O’Reillys and Hannitys.

So why do I fear for Olbermann? Because I know his bosses. In the runup to the Iraq war, I too worked for MSNBC – as an on-air pundit and a senior producer on the primetime Donahue show.

As I detail in my new book Cable News Confidential: My Misadventures in Corporate Media, the Suits at MSNBC/NBC muzzled us and ultimately terminated us. They feared independent journalism and serious dissent. They smeared Bush critics, with MSNBC’s editor-in-chief actually going on air – without evidence – to accuse Iraq WMD skeptic Scott Ritter of being a paid agent of Saddam Hussein.

Olbermann has been gaining in audience ratings. That provides him some security. But perhaps not enough.

When Donahue was terminated three weeks before the Iraq invasion, it was MSNBC’s most watched program. Canceling your top-rated show doesn’t happen often, but it happened to Donahue. Who knows what will happen to Olbermann?

With Donahue, management cared less about building up audience than tamping down dissent. While independent outlets and blogs were soaring in audience by questioning the rush to war, our bosses imposed straightjackets on us that prevented similar growth.

In the last months of Donahue, management gave us strict orders: if we booked a guest who was antiwar, we needed two who were pro-war. If we booked two guests on the left, we needed three on the right. When a producer proposed booking Michael Moore, she was told she’d need three rightwingers for ideological balance.

Olbermann’s increasingly bold dissent has been occurring at a time when Bush’s approval ratings are low and Bush’s war is in shambles. That gives him some added security.

During Donahue’s tenure at MSNBC on the eve of war, Bush’s popularity was high. And media conglomerates were particularly concerned about not ruffling the White House at that moment – as they were lobbying hard to get FCC rules changed to allow them to grow still fatter.

The day after Donahue was terminated, an internal NBC memo leaked out; it said that Phil Donahue represents “a difficult public face for NBC in a time of war.” Why? Because he insisted on presenting administration critics. The memo worried that Donahue would become a “home for the liberal antiwar agenda at the same time that our competitors are waving the flag at every opportunity.”

NBC’s solution then? Dump Phil, stifle dissent, brandish the flag.

NBC’s solution now? So far, Olbermann appears to be on more solid footing – mostly because the political zeitgeist is much changed from four years ago.

But MSNBC is still owned by GE’s conservative bosses, and managed by NBC’s ever-timid executives. Olbermann knows this reality as well as anyone; six months ago on C-SPAN, while expressing confidence that good ratings would keep them at bay, he remarked: “There are people I know in the hierarchy of NBC, the company, and GE, the company, who do not like to see the current presidential administration criticized at all.”

I’m pulling for Olbermann; I’m one of the multitudes who find his commentaries online (perhaps more see them on the Web than on TV) – and forward them far and wide.

But with each new broadside against the Bush administration, I fear for his future. His best security is us, an active citizenry. It’s media activism, organized heavily on the Net. It’s media watch groups like FAIR and Media Matters for America. It’s the movement that resisted the FCC changes in 2003, challenged Sinclair Broadcast propaganda before the ’04 election, and recently exposed the 9/11 “hijacking” of ABC by rightwing Clinton-bashers.

In the epilogue of Cable News Confidential, I lauded this movement: “My only regret was that such a potent movement had not coalesced by 2002 – to flex its muscles against MSNBC brass in defense of an unfettered Donahue.”

If Olbermann gets muzzled or terminated for political reasons, it will be up to us to fight – not only for him, but for the concept that without serious dissent, democracy is a sham.
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10/3/2006  10:34 PM
^ wow, amazing
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Bob Woodward reports in his new book, State of Denial, that President Bush loves to swap fart jokes with Karl Rove. Before a morning senior staff meeting in 2005, Woodward reports, Bush schemed to have Rove sit in a chair that triggered some sort of high-tech whoopee cushion activated by remote control. The prank was postponed in deference to news of the al-Qaida bombings in London. When the gag was carried out two weeks later, the room erupted in riotous laughter while Rove hunted down the culprit.
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10/4/2006  4:45 PM
President Beavis and Vice President Butthead?



Marv said "Fart" uh.. huh.. huh...


Karl entertains the gang

[Edited by - basketballjones on 10-04-2006 16:56]
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HA!
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Top Ten Republican Pickup Lines

10. Do you like gladiator movies, Timmy?


9. Would you like to see my Washington Monument?


8. A/S/L?


7. Did you know that Saddam Hussein has reconstituted his nuclear weapons program, Timmy?


6. Put down that pipe, and get my pipe up! (And I'm not talking about the internet.)


5. Here's $200, Mr. Gannon.


4. No fats, no fems. Bisexual o.k.


3. That's just the Speaker of the House. He's cool.


2. Did you see me on Dateline NBC last Friday?


And the number one Republican pick-up line is:

Is that a Foley catheter in my pocket, or am I just happy to see you?
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hahahaha
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[Edited by - marv on 10-06-2006 7:01 PM]
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Posted by Marv:




[Edited by - marv on 10-06-2006 7:01 PM]

LMAO, best song I've heard since "Nation of Assholes" made its way over here two years ago.
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Posted by MaTT4281:

LMAO, best song I've heard since "Nation of Assholes" made its way over here two years ago.

word!
Bush reelected :-(

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