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djsunyc
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6/23/2005  10:37 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

i think the logical next step is to get boozer in here ASAP.
I thought you were concerned about "the five-headed monster"; now we trade Kurt (according to the rumors) and everything's fine. Wasn't obvious we'd be able to trade some of the PFs from the beginning? That's why I never was concerned about having 5 PFs on our roster during the offseason.

i was...but look at my sig...

now that $$$'s are out the window, and i'm fighting the futile fight, if we're going to bring in the big $$$ players, then boozer is one of the ones i want.
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6/23/2005  10:42 AM
When it is all said and done, Isiah will be viewed as the Knicks best GM EVER..
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6/23/2005  10:45 AM
Posted by fishmike:
#8- Charlie Villanueva PF


Jay if you think CV gives you a tough player on both ends of the floor I'm thinking you havent seen him play much. He's good, he's got skills... tough isnt a word I would use to describe him.

Fish, I said "strong" player on both ends of the court meaning that he is capable of playing both sides of the ball. We've all seen him play and know his limits. As I've said, his problem is he is has the tendency to not show up. He doesn't have the mentality like he wants to dominate every night.. That's his flaw!

Otherwise, he'd be a top 5 pick.. His potential upside is crazy! If he ever played like he knew he was unstoppable. That's why this wouldn't be such a bad pick at 8 for us.

[Edited by - JayNYC on 06/23/2005 10:47:23]
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6/23/2005  10:46 AM
I would never pick Villanueva with the 8th pick...He is not worthy of that....We can use the 30th on him, but not if Blatche/Taft/or Petro are still on the board...
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6/23/2005  10:53 AM
how many guys can you say that about? TONS

No more fancy pants. Lets get some tough guys in here. CV is bigger and more skilled than Warrick, but Hakim is better because he's tougher. Toughness is like size in some regards... cant teach it. CV reminds me a little too much of KVH. Thats a compliment because KVH was a hell of a player, but we need cojones. Thats what made guys like Brad Miller and Ben Wallace in this league. A mean streak. Granger has one, Warrick does too. I dont see it in Frye or CV. This team needs attitude in the worst way. Now I dont want to bypass talent... you have to be realistic, but there are some very good options at 2/3/4 in this draft. Lets go tough....
Diogu, Simeon = tough. Hodge = tough.
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6/23/2005  10:53 AM
Posted by Andrew:

The nice thing about this trade is it allows the Knicks to take 2 big men. Frye and Blatche? I wouldn't mind that.







Exactly Andrew. As I was reading through this thread I was waiting for someone to say this. Even if we take a bigman at 8, we can take another one at 30 if a guy like Blatche falls there.

I can't believe this. I wake up and find out that Kurt will probably be traded for Q, I'm thrilled. I can't believe a couple of you guys aren't even happy about this trade. Even with the first round pick, this is a solid trade for us. We all talked about how we wanted Crawford to come off the bench as a 6th man and now we have that opportunity. As dj and others said, I think there will be a follow up trade to this like a Boozer trade. Back to this trade though, I love it. Richardson has his flaws but at the end of the day you are getting an above average SG that allows Crawford to come off the bench for a 32 year old Kurt Thomas. If we give them the Spurs pick from next year, this can be a very good trade for us.

The idiots in the media will probably bash Isiah for trading our best frontcourt player but we know better.
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6/23/2005  10:54 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

i think the logical next step is to get boozer in here ASAP.
I thought you were concerned about "the five-headed monster"; now we trade Kurt (according to the rumors) and everything's fine. Wasn't obvious we'd be able to trade some of the PFs from the beginning? That's why I never was concerned about having 5 PFs on our roster during the offseason.

i was...but look at my sig...

now that $$$'s are out the window, and i'm fighting the futile fight, if we're going to bring in the big $$$ players, then boozer is one of the ones i want.
It took you until that meeting to figure out that Isiah's strategy was to buy the good players rather than get under the capy?
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6/23/2005  10:57 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

i think the logical next step is to get boozer in here ASAP.
I thought you were concerned about "the five-headed monster"; now we trade Kurt (according to the rumors) and everything's fine. Wasn't obvious we'd be able to trade some of the PFs from the beginning? That's why I never was concerned about having 5 PFs on our roster during the offseason.

i was...but look at my sig...

now that $$$'s are out the window, and i'm fighting the futile fight, if we're going to bring in the big $$$ players, then boozer is one of the ones i want.
It took you until that meeting to figure out that Isiah's strategy was to buy the good players rather than get under the capy?

i think a blind man in the desert knew what isiah's strategy was. i took me until the q&a to accept it.
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6/23/2005  11:09 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

i think the logical next step is to get boozer in here ASAP.
I thought you were concerned about "the five-headed monster"; now we trade Kurt (according to the rumors) and everything's fine. Wasn't obvious we'd be able to trade some of the PFs from the beginning? That's why I never was concerned about having 5 PFs on our roster during the offseason.

i was...but look at my sig...

now that $$$'s are out the window, and i'm fighting the futile fight, if we're going to bring in the big $$$ players, then boozer is one of the ones i want.
It took you until that meeting to figure out that Isiah's strategy was to buy the good players rather than get under the capy?
i think a blind man in the desert knew what isiah's strategy was. i took me until the q&a to accept it.
what did he do that made you accept it?


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/23/2005 11:09:53]
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6/23/2005  11:11 AM
when can players be traded? I assume that if players from *this* year's draft are involved, the deal can be done on draft night. If it's just a Kurt and the Spurs '06 pick for Q, then I thought it couldn't be done until mid or maybe late July
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6/23/2005  11:14 AM
players can make deals once eliminated from the playoffs but an official announcement can't happen until after the finals are over (at least i think so).

here is a post by a suns fan from another board:
i was a little shocked at first... but after it has settled, this trade is awesome

first, i think everyone could read the writing on the wall... Q was the odd man out from the get go... and what was needed back was a big man who could get boards (cover up amare's slight rebounding weakenesses), could bang around on defense (see spurs playoff series), and stay out of the lane on offense (so amare can have the interior to himself)

in light of these facts, thomas is almost the best in the league for this role... he got a lot of crap in NY cuz he was their best post player, and he's just not fit for the featured post player role... next to amare, he'll have another talented big with him and he can play within his role, which is running the pick and role (we do a lot of that if you didn't notice) and hitting mid range jumpers, which will bring the defense out away from the basket, so amare can go to work inside

aside from that, i don't think we lose a whole lot with Q... he's a good player, but because of the rest of our team, we didn't use him for all of his strengths (and weren't going to for the forseeable future), he's got a good interior and penetration game, but we didn't need that from his position... jim jackson can come in for the "small ball" lineup of last year and chuck up threes pretty much just as well, so that lineup will pretty much be unchanged if we wanna go that route

oh yeah, and we got a first round pick too!!!!

i don't think New York did too horribly in this deal, Q will give them a "true" shooting guard, which they don't have any (healthy atleast) right now... ariza is more of a sf imo, crawford is somewhere in between a pg and a sg... but in the end i'm sure it will be a bad deal, because isiah made the deal... he somehow manages to make their cap situation even WORSE... i seem to remember when he took this job he said one of his goals was to take the cap figure downward, and still try and put out a competitive team... you guys have stayed competitive, but damn... that cap is UP THERE

edit: forgot one last, and maybe the most important thing... the rest of the squad is gonna stay together: marion is gonna stay because of this, obviously this is their move to adjust to a more traditional team, it wouldn't make sense to trade him even for a good center now, cuz we wouldn't have a small forward... and this HAS to send a message to any of those teams looking to go after JJ that he's NOT leaving the suns... he's the future of the backcourt now, and this definitely says it
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6/23/2005  11:15 AM
Posted by diderotn:

I would never pick Villanueva with the 8th pick...He is not worthy of that....We can use the 30th on him, but not if Blatche/Taft/or Petro are still on the board...

Who is TRULY worthy of #8 pick in this draft? Its all speculation, the only sure things in this draft are Andrew Bogut, Marvin Williams and Chris Paul. The rest of the draft order is pure hopefuls.

People knock Villanueva, but want Granger or Bynum (Both of which can potentially be good, but are not sure picks at this point either) or any other cat that they've had the pleasure of watching on a 30 sec clip, or a few games on TV. Listen man, these are all perception picks. Has anyone seen Petro?? Probably not... so why suggest that he is better than Villanueva. Just based on what some internet journalist goes off raving about.. c'mon. If y'all know basketball, and play the game you gotta know that an athletic running low post big man, is the perfect compliment for Steph. C.V. fits that mold. IMO
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6/23/2005  11:22 AM
Man rumors can have a life that just takes off!

We are starved for ACTIVITY!

ONe move will beget another.

We never talk about Malik Rose and hjis role on this team!

Where does he fit it?
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6/23/2005  11:22 AM
Oakley's reaction to the trade when asked about it by Sid and Benigno on WFAN: "Another guard?"
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6/23/2005  11:24 AM
Posted by fishmike:

how many guys can you say that about? TONS

No more fancy pants. Lets get some tough guys in here. CV is bigger and more skilled than Warrick, but Hakim is better because he's tougher. Toughness is like size in some regards... cant teach it. CV reminds me a little too much of KVH. Thats a compliment because KVH was a hell of a player, but we need cojones. Thats what made guys like Brad Miller and Ben Wallace in this league. A mean streak. Granger has one, Warrick does too. I dont see it in Frye or CV. This team needs attitude in the worst way. Now I dont want to bypass talent... you have to be realistic, but there are some very good options at 2/3/4 in this draft. Lets go tough....
Diogu, Simeon = tough. Hodge = tough.

Thats true... we do need toughness, that being said the last thing we need is another undersized power forward at 8, that does not run the floor. All be it, they are good.. but is their upside any better than Mike Sweetney's??? Arguable!

6'11 and better w/ number 8 pick. Charlie Villanueva is definitely a risk here, and picking FRYE is a safe pick. But who has more upside and a chance to be a real impact player in this league? No 6'11 big man is better than Charlie Villanueva in that regard. Plus he is a hometown guy, you gotta believe that he would want to shine in front of his fam. More importantly than that is he is good.. and can potentially be special. We can only say that about a few draft hopefuls!
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6/23/2005  11:31 AM
I'm kinda with Briggs on this, b/c Q has become a no defense 3 pt chucker recently, but he's big and strong with a ton of athleticism. He could become a monster, and that's what we need him to be like. If he can completely mix his game up as opposed to always chucking the lazy 3s, then it's good for us.

On the Suns deal, I actually think it's a very good deal for Phoenix, in the short term. Not in terms of their run and gun style, but it clears room for Amare to do his posts ups and for Steve Nash to drive. And it just gives them an easy man for them to kick the ball out to for an open J, or to do a pick and roll. Plus, now Amare has some help down low on the defense. He can guard the quicker guys while KT can go after the bangers. I think this makes them a much better defensive team if KT goes in the starting lineup and the only true weak link on defense is Nash now, as opposed to the whole team, b/c of them being out of position. Again, KT isn't a center, but he has experience as does Amare, and now they can actually rotate, which is great for them. Maybe one more big body, and they win that championship in a year or 2.

The jury is still completely out, depending on if the Suns win a championship with KT (What? Oh my!) and if Q turns earns that Q.
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6/23/2005  11:35 AM
Phoenix has made some pretty good business decision...They have spent their money wisely....We have to try to get Hunter with the deal...However just knowing that Kurt may become a Suns is satisfying at this point....Good news all day fans,,,I am going to have me a couple of beers for lunch..
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6/23/2005  11:37 AM
I thought this draft had a lot of talented wings and no good bigs?

And with this deal, we're going to take 2 bigs?

I dunno but I'd rather move KT for a mid 1st rounder this year.
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6/23/2005  11:38 AM
and why does getting Q mean we can trade Marbury?

Marbs, Q, Craw and Ariza have three positions to share between them- I think there's enought minutes there.
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6/23/2005  11:46 AM
Not really. If Q lives up to what is expected from US, then he is worthy of 38 MPG, as is Steph. Only slot that is up for grabs is SF, and there are not plenty of minutes, but way too many players. TT, Ariza, Malik, JYDm Penny, Maybe Houston if desperately, desperately needed (If he ends up playing in the first place). There are NOT plenty of minutes to go around.
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