We now have JYD, Kurt, Rose, Sweetney and Taylor. I was hoping the goal would be to eventually faze Kurt out and just let Sweetney start at the PF. But the Rose trade hampers that a bit, and the Mo T trade is a complete road block. Sweetney is gonna have the same # of minutes, b/c Rose is just a quality player, and Mo bring enough to the game to not be denied minutes. Sweetneys progress MIGHT have come to a hault b/c of this trade. We HAVE to trade a couple of these guys this Summer, and Sweetney might be one of them. We can't have this logjam like we did just a year ago.

Thomas is fast approaching Layden, the Mo Taylor trade is by far one of the worst in franchise history.

9 mil a year till like 2008? Are you fing kidding me?

And we don't even get a pick out of it?

Why don't we get some overpaid bums and blaim it on Layden.

Fire IT NOW!!!

To respond to your first argument. I'll take 2 JYD's on my team any day of the week. If the rest of the team sees JYD and Rose running their tales off out there for loose balls up and down the court, it's GOING to start to make an impression on them.

I like JYD. but people said before that his energy would be infectious. it wasn't. TT still doesn't give a damn, marbury and crawford are still weak on D. i don't think adding malik rose will do the psychological things you say it will. i would also rather see if we can develop sweetney on O and D, rather than be forced to use two undersized, over the hill vets to put a band aid on our defensive woes.

The NBA is all about pairing contracts with expiring ones for one team to get a player another team feels they don't want anymore ala Chris Webber or Peja Stoyakovich. The only way the Knicks could have gotten a guy LIKE that had their been one on the market was using a combination of a expiring contract and a player that is being overpaid but makes the deal work unless you are lucky and have something the other team wants. Look at the Webber trade, personally, I think the Kings got a RAW deal but the only way it worked was for having 3 big contracts to match Webbers. Im just throwing a name out there maybe Isiah has his sights set on Zach Randolph, I'm not saying I want him but thats what these contracts are here for, trade purposes.

chris webber was traded for a bunch of bad contracts. that deal had most people scratching their heads. do we even want players like him anyway? over the hill, injury prone. those are the only type of players we'll get for our expiring deals (penny, TT). let's face it, there is not much of a market for their talents. its already an uphill battle to have anyone give us a good player for them, now you're suggesting we throw in malik rose or mo taylor? even KT's contract is too long to work in that sort of deal.

I think the real reason Isiah obtained Mo Taylor was so that maybe sometime next year, possibly around the deadline have a player that can be valuable off the bench to a team making a playoff run. I firmly believe that either him or Malik will NOT be on the roster at the beginning of next year and if they are then they are but that means that Kurt Thomas and Sweetney won't be on the roster anymore.

taylor's contract will still be long. if a team needed low post scoring, they could have had baker from us cheaper next year. we did not gain any trade flexibility by making hte houston deal. i don't want having mo taylor here force sweeteny out. he could be a complete player, unlike soft, no D taylor.

Let Isiah work, think about it, why would he stack a team with PFs and no center? We all know it makes no sense and he did it for reason, he's planning his next move.

i'm willing to wait. but i don't see how the houston deal helped us long run. IT's next move will be over the summer, until which time we'll have to put up with a laydenesque roster. i am willing to wait, but IT's not making it any easier, and he's not giving us an idea of what we have to look forward to. i'm disappointed.

please people these contracts are not that long! look..

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

Taylor expires after 2007
Rose after 2008

again GREAT TRADE ASSETS and we got some 1st rounders!!

whatever. i'm disappointed, sorry if i'm taking it out on you guys. gnight.

Posted by Bonn1997:

The Knicks don't have their own 2nd round pick this year. The only one they have is Houston's 2nd round pick. That's the only one they could have traded unless it was a future 2nd rd pick

They traded their 2006 2nd round pick. That's their pick and not Houston's. They will be losing a pick in the 30's...one only a few spots away from the 2 picks we got today.

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Posted by Masterplan:

actually, what i see is mo taylor right above shandon anderson... same length, more money. that guy sure ended up as good trade bait...

you don't know basketbeall if thats what you truly believe. Mo Taylor averages 11pts & 5rebs in 27min. Thats 11 effective points in the paint. Numbers Shandon can only dream of

Let's not go into complete absurdity. The only way the Taylor trade makes any sense is if we trade Kurt Thomas this offseason for expiring deals and a first rounder. Then move Taylor AND Rose into the starting lineup, get them some decent stats, see if some team is willing to give up a first rounder for them.

Other than that, these we're stuck with two more Shandon's, rest assured.

Btw, Mo Taylor is pretty bad. Stop sugarcoating it. I actually think Spoon is BETTER than him. Rose is OK, but he's making 4x he's worth. We got two draft picks, but we got some pretty bad contracts in return.

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by Bonn1997:

The Knicks don't have their own 2nd round pick this year. The only one they have is Houston's 2nd round pick. That's the only one they could have traded unless it was a future 2nd rd pick

They traded their 2006 2nd round pick. That's their pick and not Houston's. They will be losing a pick in the 30's...one only a few spots away from the 2 picks we got today.

That's okay with me. Then we have one more pick this summer and after Isiah uses the trade assets to improve the team, the 2nd rd pick should be somewhere in the 40s. 2nd rd picks also don't get guaranteed contracts; you have to dip into the MLE to sign them if you want their Bird rights. So, even an early 2nd rd pick isn't as close to as good as a late 1st rd pick.

I agree with you completely. I like what Isiah has done. I wanted either Nazr or Kurt gone, but mostly Kurt. However, Isiah chose to retain Kurt with the hope of drafting a real center. Look at it this way, Isiah acquired contracts that will expire once Houston's contract comes to an end. With Houston's expiring contract and combine that with Mo's, we will have a lot more options......

and your point is????????

Bonn... you dont lump these trades together. One is good and one is terrible. What cracks me up is how your always harping about the super-duper value of expiring contracts. Well guess what, Isiah just trades two of those goldmine assets for Mo Taylor who got 3 more years left on his deal.

Do tell.. is Mo Taylor the kind of stud your looking to land with those great assets?