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TripleThreat
Posts: 23122 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
6/17/2026 7:33 PM
DLeethal wrote:Another thing Mikal gives you which is critical to building a DEEP team, is a guy with zero ego whatsoever, perfectly content being the 4th scorer. He at his peak powers is a borderline all star, who is fine being an afterthought. He's the best #4 option in the entire league, will never complain about touches or shots, and is perfectly content just being a connector and motion guy. Those guys do not grow on trees. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kawamyu01.html *****
But there's some "synergy" with the Villanova players that doesn't hit the stat sheet. No need to break up something that clearly works and has a successful "system" for it so far. The Knicks IMHO should keep their core 5 together for this next season for a repeat run. It would help if Bridges stepped up more when one of Brunson , KAT or Anunoby are having an off game. Who else do I think would be a useful offseason target? Point Guard Yuki Kawamura. The Knicks have just enough defense to hide him if it got to that point. His long range shooting needs to improve, but his court vision and ability to break down a defense, plus his passing chops, are more than just a "novelty" factor here. He's on a two way contract with the Bulls now, but he shouldn't be hard to acquire if the Knicks want to make room for him. In the most technical sense, he's a Restricted Free Agent, however the Bulls have an incoming new coach, and that might mean Kawamura gets flushed off their roster. Just a smart steady player, and if the shooting improves some, there's value here IMHO. To be fair, Kawamura is cheap and mostly available for a reason. But I believe he could help as a third point guard on the Knicks for the upcoming season. |
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PatCummings
Posts: 20028 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/23/2023 Member: #9138 |
6/17/2026 8:01 PM
nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:Jimmy D was on Carton again basically saying zero chance we go into second apron. Agreed. The only advantage of the staying under the 2nd apron is that it makes it a little easier to keep Diawara Here is a potential 14 man roster that’s about $500K under the 2nd apron. I assumed a trade of Deuce, Huk, 51 and other 2nds as needed to trade for a low 20’s pick to draft Ebuka Okorie. Keeping Deuce instead of Okorie means we’d give him the $500K cushion and need to reduce Shamet or Diawara by $500k. I also assumed we draft Zuby at 24 and Reed at 31 to offset the loss of Mitch. We wouldn’t be able to keep Huk but we could keep Huk if we decided to trade 31 Player | 2026-27 Salary |
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PatCummings
Posts: 20028 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/23/2023 Member: #9138 |
6/17/2026 8:03 PM
nycericanguy wrote:Knixkik wrote:DLeethal wrote:Jimmy D was on Carton again basically saying zero chance we go into second apron. That would be huge. It may not be enough to keep Mitch but at the very least it should allow us to keep Diawara and Shamet and have a 15th player |
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PatCummings
Posts: 20028 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/23/2023 Member: #9138 |
6/17/2026 8:05 PM
nycericanguy wrote:Knixkik wrote:DLeethal wrote:Jimmy D was on Carton again basically saying zero chance we go into second apron. Just realized he’s eligible for something like 4/$276M. Would he really give up $76M? |
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aggo
Posts: 20029 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/5/2026 Member: #11710 |
6/17/2026 8:16 PM LAST EDITED: 6/17/2026 8:18 PM
with Dolan saying they aren't going into the second apron
trade dadiet for future 2nd
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martin
Posts: 81070 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
6/17/2026 8:31 PM
You cannot beat math. The Knicks would have to make major concessions to get under second apron.
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nycericanguy
Posts: 22259 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/20/2023 Member: #9127 |
6/17/2026 9:14 PM LAST EDITED: 6/17/2026 9:16 PM
PatCummings wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Knixkik wrote:DLeethal wrote:Jimmy D was on Carton again basically saying zero chance we go into second apron. And Kolek is eligible for 4/92m but who's paying him that?...lol. KAT will be 31 and he's noticeably bigger. I think if Knicks extend him it's to LOWER his AAV, not raise it. I don't see anyone giving KAT 4/276m. Gobert, Harden and Randle are recent examples of guys that took much less than max to add years to their contracts. |
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nycericanguy
Posts: 22259 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/20/2023 Member: #9127 |
6/17/2026 9:30 PM LAST EDITED: 6/17/2026 9:31 PM
Mitch, Deuce and Shamet are all very hard to price IMO.
Mitch wasn't all that great in the playoffs. His FT shooting has reached historically bad levels. And he looks like he's gained weight and not as fast. All that being said, he's still a huge piece for us. But how would other teams value him? Is someone really going to pay him $20m to play 15-20mpg? At that money you are probably expecting Mitch to be your starting C and play at least 24-26mpg... and that's not a smart bet. He played 60 games and limited minutes for us, and that was a best case scenario where we really managed his load. So really, I think you have to pay him as a backup, and that really lowers his value. I think 3/39 would be fair for him. Deuce, again, nice player, but if there was any doubt that he's not a PG, he removed all those doubts in the playoffs. And he also struggled big time in the finals, losing minutes to Alvarado. I think he's also around 3/39m, but I think we might just be best off letting his contract play out next season. Shamet had a really nice season, but it was right in line with his career averages, and yet he's always a vet min guy. And I think we saw, he had some great moments during the playoffs, but probably not a guy you can count on every game. I think his vet min being around $4m, I think that's right in line for him. Maybe a 120% raise to 5-6m over 2-3 years? |
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martin
Posts: 81070 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
6/17/2026 10:04 PM
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Panos
Posts: 30721 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/6/2004 Member: #520 |
6/17/2026 10:09 PM
Question: are the Knicks worse with Shamet in the SL instead of Mikal?
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30388 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
6/17/2026 10:10 PM
martin wrote:You cannot beat math. The Knicks would have to make major concessions to get under second apron.Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Imo they def could still compete for a chip with the starting 5. Would depend on the development of Mo, McCullar, Huk and the contributions of the #24 pick for the bench. It may set them back from getting back to back. But could pay off a year or 2 later if they decided to go that route. If Mo is the player we believe he can be. That potentially offsets Mitch. Not exactly in the same exact contributions, but in its own way. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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BlueKnickers
Posts: 21939 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/13/2025 Member: #11677 |
6/17/2026 10:17 PM
Roll the dice on the draft if you're staying under the cap and stock up with a bunch of rookies on the end of the bench. You might strike lightning and one of them may be ready to rock and roll in year 1. Happens to other teams.
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martin
Posts: 81070 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
6/17/2026 10:22 PM
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Panos
Posts: 30721 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/6/2004 Member: #520 |
6/17/2026 10:56 PM
Is it worth bringing Precious back for the bench? He doesn't make much
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TripleThreat
Posts: 23122 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
6/18/2026 1:03 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:Would depend on the development of Mo, McCullar, Huk and the contributions of the #24 pick for the bench. It may set them back from getting back to back. But could pay off a year or 2 later if they decided to go that route.
Strengths: Tillman emerged as one of the best and most dominant big men in the entire Big Ten over the course of his last two seasons in East Lansing … His touch around the rim and rebounding dominance helped earn him All-Big Ten honors in his final season … He is also a gifted defender with great discipline, strength, and anticipation. His 1.2 steals and 2.1 blocks per game awarded him the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year in his junior year. His impact on defense went far beyond the stats as he anchored one of the conference’s best defenses with leadership and inspiration … Weaknesses: Tillman is very undersized for a player who hangs out mostly in the post. At only 6’8, he will be at a severe disadvantage. He also is not athletically gifted enough to make up for it with leaping ability. His rebounding solely depends on high effort and positioning, which may not be enough at the next level … Does not have a great repertoire of post moves and does not threaten too much with a post fadeaway … Jump shooting will make or break Tillman’s career. If he cannot develop a perimeter shooting game or even a mid-range game, he will struggle to earn impactful playing time despite his passing ability and high motor Overall: Tillman is a high IQ player with an extensive skillset, just not in the most valuable areas. His lack of a jump shot and small stature hinder what he will be able to do in the NBA regardless of how much he develops … He is already behind on the developmental process at the age of 21 (almost 22) and will need to do so quickly if he wants to become an impact player off the bench, which is close to his overall ceiling. Notes: Measured: 6’7.50” barefoot, 6’8.50” in shoes, 8’10.00” standing reach, 266.5 lbs, 7’2.00” wingspan at the 2020 NBA Combine …
******** No offense to anyone here, but screw "development" for this upcoming season. I haven't really posted here in years, but I did once post here quite a bit. And in that time, for people who remember me, I was always heavy on player development and giving young guys minutes and hoping the Knicks would heavily mine the 2nd round and UDFA circuit for gems. I'm all for development nearly all of the time. Except. Except? Except when you are the current champion and you are going to try to repeat. Then "Go For Broke" That means if young fringe guys need to get traded or cut, well that's too bad, but it's the possible price to be paid to chance a repeat. Certainly give the young players a chance in the preseason to see if they've come along enough to contribute. But IMHO, the best path is to stick to inexpensive veterans with some level of cost certainty. Like? Like Xavier Tillman. Knicks can probably get him at the veterans minimum. Has playoff experience and Finals experience. Was brought in by the Grizzlies, so he started on a good franchise for young fringe players to develop. Not going to give you floor spacing or much offense ( but neither was MRob) However you are getting a fundamental defender who lacks athleticism. Can he give you 60 percent of what MRob gives you for 10-15 percent of the price? Yes, I think so. You aren't getting an elite rim runner, you can't getting All NBA level rim protection, you aren't getting gravity on offense from him, but you are getting reliable picks, second and third effort plays, hustle, diving for balls, screens, switching, dirty work and grind. I like Tillman. He's cheap and available for a reason, but IMHO he can help this team as a backup big. |
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TripleThreat
Posts: 23122 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
6/18/2026 1:21 AM
BlueKnickers wrote:Roll the dice on the draft if you're staying under the cap and stock up with a bunch of rookies on the end of the bench. You might strike lightning and one of them may be ready to rock and roll in year 1. Happens to other teams.
It's "status quo" A lot of those young guys are on the roster already. It's the safe path. Even looking at MRob and Shamet with only rose colored glasses is the safe path. But look at that scene above from AMC's The Terror. Captain Crozier just lays it plain. "Go for broke" What he suggests is actually more risky, but he assesses the threat of "status quo" is even more dangerous. But Crozier was not in command of the expedition at that point. He was overruled. And eventually all those men died. Hoping for Kolek and Huk to break out looks like risk, but it's the perceived safe move. It's status quo. I say "perceived" because sitting still isn't a solution. The Knicks , IMHO, need to go after cheap veterans who have been battle tested at some level. Yes, they will have drawbacks, because they are cheap and available in the first place, but this is the course that Dolan has chosen. He's already said he's NOT going to breach the 2nd Apron. Could he change his mind? Sure, but most teams under the gun to breach the 2nd Apron don't do it. The best course, IMHO, is "Go For Broke" in the circumstances presented. The Knicks are going to stay under the 2nd Apron. Meaning they need to mine the Unrestricted Free Agent bargain bin as hard as possible. |