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7/15/2025  4:09 PM
Kolek is guaranteed this season and next. Right now his best value is trade filler. Hope he turns it around but he isn’t strong enough to be so slow and un athletic.
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7/15/2025  4:45 PM
Rookie wrote:Kolek is guaranteed this season and next. Right now his best value is trade filler. Hope he turns it around but he isn’t strong enough to be so slow and un athletic.

That is a weird combination. Usually if you are small and thin, you should be quick and shifty. I'm hoping it's the system he has to get used to. Some players game is based on the system. Others don't care, and most of them become nba star players. Kolek is a role player trying to make the team. Expectations are too low to fail. It's not like he was drafted top 10 like Frank. He'll be fine.

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7/15/2025  6:42 PM
Kolek is a high trade candidate at this point.
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7/15/2025  9:21 PM
The more I watch him - including his 23 in 1st half today the less impressed I am.

Trade value = not much

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7/15/2025  10:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2025  10:13 PM
Glad he took off the sweat band.
Has anyone seen him and Caitlin Clark in the same room together?
They kind of look one and the same? Naw,........
Glad he had a good look today. Maybe just a good Gleague player for now?
Be good if he can get it done!
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7/16/2025  8:43 AM
Someone came up with a great term - "Kolek Karens." Knicks fan need some summer content. We have seen what Kolek can do in real NBA games when playing with real NBA players. Whatever those games were usurp some weird summer league games. Not saying he hasn't looked bad...he certainly did for 2 games and then looked good again. Summer league is a time to work on things. Biggest thing for him is how is he gonna score at the NBA level. Will he hit the 3 consistently, will he able to play off two feet in the paint? Will he be able to finish drives at this level? He is not gonna win in the paint with physicality, but he has touch, he has smarts. He needs to be a scoring threat to make his game more viable. That continues to be the case. He may not be a starter, but the guy definitely has an NBA skill which is passing the ball. He has great vision and delivery.
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7/16/2025  9:03 AM
VDesai wrote:Someone came up with a great term - "Kolek Karens." Knicks fan need some summer content. We have seen what Kolek can do in real NBA games when playing with real NBA players. Whatever those games were usurp some weird summer league games. Not saying he hasn't looked bad...he certainly did for 2 games and then looked good again. Summer league is a time to work on things. Biggest thing for him is how is he gonna score at the NBA level. Will he hit the 3 consistently, will he able to play off two feet in the paint? Will he be able to finish drives at this level? He is not gonna win in the paint with physicality, but he has touch, he has smarts. He needs to be a scoring threat to make his game more viable. That continues to be the case. He may not be a starter, but the guy definitely has an NBA skill which is passing the ball. He has great vision and delivery.

The question is. Is he a backup PG on a championship team?
If Kolek and JB are the only PGs on the team we in trouble. Need to add a Marcus smart type dude.

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7/16/2025  10:40 AM
blkexec wrote:
VDesai wrote:Someone came up with a great term - "Kolek Karens." Knicks fan need some summer content. We have seen what Kolek can do in real NBA games when playing with real NBA players. Whatever those games were usurp some weird summer league games. Not saying he hasn't looked bad...he certainly did for 2 games and then looked good again. Summer league is a time to work on things. Biggest thing for him is how is he gonna score at the NBA level. Will he hit the 3 consistently, will he able to play off two feet in the paint? Will he be able to finish drives at this level? He is not gonna win in the paint with physicality, but he has touch, he has smarts. He needs to be a scoring threat to make his game more viable. That continues to be the case. He may not be a starter, but the guy definitely has an NBA skill which is passing the ball. He has great vision and delivery.

The question is. Is he a backup PG on a championship team?
If Kolek and JB are the only PGs on the team we in trouble. Need to add a Marcus smart type dude.

how do you think he'd do when defended by any of Indiana's guards? Jokubaitus is a better reserve guard. I don't get why he wasn't brought over last season and this season he isn't even mentioned. Wouldn't he be eligible for the rookie exception?

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7/16/2025  11:15 AM
Rookie wrote:
blkexec wrote:
VDesai wrote:Someone came up with a great term - "Kolek Karens." Knicks fan need some summer content. We have seen what Kolek can do in real NBA games when playing with real NBA players. Whatever those games were usurp some weird summer league games. Not saying he hasn't looked bad...he certainly did for 2 games and then looked good again. Summer league is a time to work on things. Biggest thing for him is how is he gonna score at the NBA level. Will he hit the 3 consistently, will he able to play off two feet in the paint? Will he be able to finish drives at this level? He is not gonna win in the paint with physicality, but he has touch, he has smarts. He needs to be a scoring threat to make his game more viable. That continues to be the case. He may not be a starter, but the guy definitely has an NBA skill which is passing the ball. He has great vision and delivery.

The question is. Is he a backup PG on a championship team?
If Kolek and JB are the only PGs on the team we in trouble. Need to add a Marcus smart type dude.

how do you think he'd do when defended by any of Indiana's guards? Jokubaitus is a better reserve guard. I don't get why he wasn't brought over last season and this season he isn't even mentioned. Wouldn't he be eligible for the rookie exception?

I agree. But the FO isn't feeling the Rok for whatever reason. As for Kolek, even if he had a good summer league, I'd call on the Knicks to get a back up. I'm glad he a good game, but it was against a clueless Nets team. The two teams that showed almost NBA level defensive intensity shut him down and I need to see more improvement.

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7/16/2025  11:31 AM
I think Clarkson is the backup PG - with Deuce as a de facto 2nd.
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7/16/2025  11:50 AM
VDesai wrote:I think Clarkson is the backup PG - with Deuce as a de facto 2nd.

Kinda like having the early version of DRose and IQ. Should be perfect.

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7/16/2025  11:54 AM
VDesai wrote:I think Clarkson is the backup PG - with Deuce as a de facto 2nd.

Clarkson and Deuce can play point, but thats not their money game. Clarkson is a chucker who can get hot and win games for you. Deuce is a scorer first and passer second. But even in college, Deuce had another guard to help run the point. These guys are combo guards to me.

I like how Kolek has that old school PG game. When you have a team full of scorers, you need someone who's a pass first guard. Kolek might be is the only pass first guard on the team.

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7/16/2025  11:58 AM
martin wrote:
VDesai wrote:I think Clarkson is the backup PG - with Deuce as a de facto 2nd.

Kinda like having the early version of DRose and IQ. Should be perfect.

Maybe thats the plan. Clarkson and Deuce share the PG duties off the bench. They will also take most of the shots. Not sure how affective Josh Hart will look next to these guys. Will be interesting.

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7/16/2025  12:01 PM
blkexec wrote:
VDesai wrote:I think Clarkson is the backup PG - with Deuce as a de facto 2nd.

Clarkson and Deuce can play point, but thats not their money game. Clarkson is a chucker who can get hot and win games for you. Deuce is a scorer first and passer second. But even in college, Deuce had another guard to help run the point. These guys are combo guards to me.

I like how Kolek has that old school PG game. When you have a team full of scorers, you need someone who's a pass first guard. Kolek might be is the only pass first guard on the team.

He'd be the only pass first PG on the Westchester Knicks to. Is he an NBA PG? Not yet, maybe not ever. He's barely marginal at this point and he's already getting long in the tooth at 24. As a PG you need to be able to get to where you need to go to set up the offense against NBA level defense. He isn't doing that

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7/16/2025  12:09 PM
blkexec wrote:
martin wrote:
VDesai wrote:I think Clarkson is the backup PG - with Deuce as a de facto 2nd.

Kinda like having the early version of DRose and IQ. Should be perfect.

Maybe thats the plan. Clarkson and Deuce share the PG duties off the bench. They will also take most of the shots. Not sure how affective Josh Hart will look next to these guys. Will be interesting.

How will Josh Hart like it when other people take shots that he doesn't want to take anyway?

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7/16/2025  12:17 PM
VDesai wrote:Someone came up with a great term - "Kolek Karens." Knicks fan need some summer content. We have seen what Kolek can do in real NBA games when playing with real NBA players. Whatever those games were usurp some weird summer league games. Not saying he hasn't looked bad...he certainly did for 2 games and then looked good again. Summer league is a time to work on things. Biggest thing for him is how is he gonna score at the NBA level. Will he hit the 3 consistently, will he able to play off two feet in the paint? Will he be able to finish drives at this level? He is not gonna win in the paint with physicality, but he has touch, he has smarts. He needs to be a scoring threat to make his game more viable. That continues to be the case. He may not be a starter, but the guy definitely has an NBA skill which is passing the ball. He has great vision and delivery.

That is the hope. There is an NBA skill level. It's why he was drafted and was one of college basketballs better players.

its why some of us held hope for Frank as he did have the Defensive chops demonstrated by on court play!
But the shot did not fall. Then the hesitation made it look worse.

That playmaking needs shooting. When Deuce got it, he got his contract. Kolek can do it. Just a question of when and where.

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7/16/2025  2:09 PM
Nalod wrote:
VDesai wrote:Someone came up with a great term - "Kolek Karens." Knicks fan need some summer content. We have seen what Kolek can do in real NBA games when playing with real NBA players. Whatever those games were usurp some weird summer league games. Not saying he hasn't looked bad...he certainly did for 2 games and then looked good again. Summer league is a time to work on things. Biggest thing for him is how is he gonna score at the NBA level. Will he hit the 3 consistently, will he able to play off two feet in the paint? Will he be able to finish drives at this level? He is not gonna win in the paint with physicality, but he has touch, he has smarts. He needs to be a scoring threat to make his game more viable. That continues to be the case. He may not be a starter, but the guy definitely has an NBA skill which is passing the ball. He has great vision and delivery.

That is the hope. There is an NBA skill level. It's why he was drafted and was one of college basketballs better players.

its why some of us held hope for Frank as he did have the Defensive chops demonstrated by on court play!
But the shot did not fall. Then the hesitation made it look worse.

That playmaking needs shooting. When Deuce got it, he got his contract. Kolek can do it. Just a question of when and where.

I’m guessing there will be a lot less ISO. This should be good for Kolek’s game, as he should thrive in an uptempo offense. I’m looking forward to seeing how Brown’s offensive schemes affect players like JB, Bridges, and Kolek.

I hope Kolek levels up. While I made a thread last season about Clarkson, it was about him being instant offense off the bench, not running it. If Kolek plays well, that second unit should really shine.

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7/16/2025  6:19 PM
Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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7/17/2025  10:34 AM
VDesai wrote:I think Clarkson is the backup PG - with Deuce as a de facto 2nd.

I agree BUT we need a legit big guard to play next to Brunson - one that can defend 1's and 2's and one that can handle/pass/score.

Specifically one that isn't Josh Hart and probably isn't Deuce who can't really handle and is small.

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7/17/2025  10:36 AM
blkexec wrote:
martin wrote:
VDesai wrote:I think Clarkson is the backup PG - with Deuce as a de facto 2nd.

Kinda like having the early version of DRose and IQ. Should be perfect.

Maybe thats the plan. Clarkson and Deuce share the PG duties off the bench. They will also take most of the shots. Not sure how affective Josh Hart will look next to these guys. Will be interesting.

This is my issue with Hart because I find myself saying the same thing you just said.

In almost every line-up there is a question but how will Josh fit with this group?

He sticks out like a sore thumb in a game that continues to value perimeter shooting and D. Mention D because I don't think he plays it.

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