SergioNYK wrote:Frustrating loss. We need to learn how to finish games on the road.

I love Thibs but this was a poorly coached game by him. No reason to go just 7 deep in game number nine. I totally get it going 7 if it's the playoffs or an important regular season game late in the season but to do it now is dumb. Especially when Kolek has shown he can handle some minutes. And bad coaching not setting up more 3s especially when we got down in the 4th. Can't win trading 2s for 3s.

Awful defense in the 4th. Two passes and a Hick was wide open for a 3. Deuce had a bad game and got torched by whoever he was on. And KAT with too much room on Turner. Entire team defense collapsed.

Give the Hicks credit. You knew they'd play better after the beat down at MSG and only scoring 82 on Friday. Maturin had a career game with 38 and Haliburton had 35. Poor defense by Bridges. He can do a lot better.

On the positives, Brunson looked better and OG was so good in the first half but disappeared in the second half.

4-5 but all the mistakes are fixable. It's a long season!

It's a long season, but this team is barely progressing. Every game seems like a repeat of the previous bad one, but with a random domination in between. This game was almost a repeat of the Hawks game with no progress seen.

The 4th quarter act is alarming not only for their deficiencies, but also for their lack of urgency. This team is playing exactly like if it is a long season and they can just turn it on at any point, but this year's issues aren't the same as last season. Their defense has taken a few huge steps backwards, making it imperative to get back guys like Precious and Mitch when they were supposed to handle things on their own with the talent of the starting lineup.

But no. Oh, and Bridges... I don't know wtf to think about him. Everytime I see him, he looks lost, behind his man and clunking jumpers. His numbers may not be as bad as I'm describing, but really, he looks like he either is still lost or just doesn't fit. Its ugly right now.

This team is very disappointing considering all the hype they came with. They should forget about Boston for a long time because they aren't even close to that yet. They should focus on at least playing a respectable defense, because they are handing out career nights like crazy.

franco12 wrote:McBride clearly sick. Probably hurt more by playing because if he opted out, Thibs might have had no choice but to go with Kolek.

28% from 3.

Thibs might have kept Kolek on the bench. Its an issue with him, but we all know it.

Uptown wrote:BTW....The Pacers were without 4 rotation guys and still played more bench players than we did...

A Thibs' special. It's wrong, but so many things are on this team.

Clean wrote:

Uptown wrote:Some issues I'm seeing so far....

* We over comitt on dirbble penetration - This has been a problem since Thibs has been pstalking the sidelines at MSG. It's clear that Thibs is teaching this team to protect inside-out...we protect the paint on dribble penetration, then find the shooters on the kick out. This philosphy made sense, 15 maybe 10 years ago, but with the overemphases on the 3 ball in today's league, its a problem.
* We struggle with defending the transition 3 as well...A couple of times I saw Duece run back, get a paint touch, then fly out to shooters but it was too late...
* Our last 2 losses, we saw two wings (Risachere and Matherin), not only score a career high in points, but took the most 3 point shots they tok all year... Even in the Cleveland game, the Cavs shot 33%, but they missed a bunch of open 3's.
* Defensively, we are still not on the same page as far as communication goes. Saw some confusion on whether to swicth or not, etc.
* Kat played 39 mins tonight....Mikal played 42, Brunson, 41 and Hart at 43. Guys are tired....We need our bench guys back for sure.

Bro, I been fighting a war on the bold part for like 4 years now. I have always hated his defensive philosopy on this. Its why everyone shoots well vs us. Even scubs like the rookie from ATL. We give them a steady diet of open 3's.

Why is this situation more of a problem than a solution?

There is no doubt the Knicks are giving up too many 3’s but the also don’t give up too many easy rim shots, or at least that’s the practice and theory, and this has worked. The Knicks Net rating in 4 out of the last 5 years has been top 10 in league.

We just notice and focus in on Something that looks bad but smooths out cause of other things?

Ball don’t lie.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced?Season=2024-25&dir=A&sort=NET_RATING

Clean wrote:

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You can focus so much on what a player can't do that you miss what he does to help. The same thing with Randle. He has many faults but he was a great playmaker that we now miss. Tyler is the best passer and might be the best shooter on the team but Thibs is so focused on what he can't do yet that he does not play him and when he plays him its out of position.

I take a different tact and look. FO and coaching has focused on development over rushing the young guys. It has worked but is not the best short term solution to win games.

Which do you prefer? I think this has worked more for the Knicks than not. IQ, Grimes, Deuce, RJ, iHart, Mitch. Put them in simple roles to start, let them succeed doing those things, and add to their responsibilities as the games and season moves forward.

When you ask Kolek to only make simple reads and be a ready spacer, you help him make less decisions and focus on simple things. Now defenders know they got to stick near Kolek on perimeter. It’ll make it easier for him to drive when time is ready. Build confidence too. And allows game to come to young guys instead of doing everything st once.

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

Uptown wrote:Some issues I'm seeing so far....

* We over comitt on dirbble penetration - This has been a problem since Thibs has been pstalking the sidelines at MSG. It's clear that Thibs is teaching this team to protect inside-out...we protect the paint on dribble penetration, then find the shooters on the kick out. This philosphy made sense, 15 maybe 10 years ago, but with the overemphases on the 3 ball in today's league, its a problem.
* We struggle with defending the transition 3 as well...A couple of times I saw Duece run back, get a paint touch, then fly out to shooters but it was too late...
* Our last 2 losses, we saw two wings (Risachere and Matherin), not only score a career high in points, but took the most 3 point shots they tok all year... Even in the Cleveland game, the Cavs shot 33%, but they missed a bunch of open 3's.
* Defensively, we are still not on the same page as far as communication goes. Saw some confusion on whether to swicth or not, etc.
* Kat played 39 mins tonight....Mikal played 42, Brunson, 41 and Hart at 43. Guys are tired....We need our bench guys back for sure.

Bro, I been fighting a war on the bold part for like 4 years now. I have always hated his defensive philosopy on this. Its why everyone shoots well vs us. Even scubs like the rookie from ATL. We give them a steady diet of open 3's.

Why is this situation more of a problem than a solution?

There is no doubt the Knicks are giving up too many 3’s but the also don’t give up too many easy rim shots, or at least that’s the practice and theory, and this has worked. The Knicks Net rating in 4 out of the last 5 years has been top 10 in league.

We just notice and focus in on Something that looks bad but smooths out cause of other things?

Ball don’t lie.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced?Season=2024-25&dir=A&sort=NET_RATING

Stats are great but they can also lie. My eye test been saying the same thing for years. Plus we beat up on a trash Det and Bucks. That will inflate your net rating. It also does not take into account if teams are just missing wide open 3 a specific game. Listen, I would not mind this much if Thibs had a counter when teams are clearly hitting their 3's. He does not. Our plan is if teams are hitting their open 3's just take the loss and try again the next game. Nothing changes.

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Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

Uptown wrote:Some issues I'm seeing so far....

* We over comitt on dirbble penetration - This has been a problem since Thibs has been pstalking the sidelines at MSG. It's clear that Thibs is teaching this team to protect inside-out...we protect the paint on dribble penetration, then find the shooters on the kick out. This philosphy made sense, 15 maybe 10 years ago, but with the overemphases on the 3 ball in today's league, its a problem.
* We struggle with defending the transition 3 as well...A couple of times I saw Duece run back, get a paint touch, then fly out to shooters but it was too late...
* Our last 2 losses, we saw two wings (Risachere and Matherin), not only score a career high in points, but took the most 3 point shots they tok all year... Even in the Cleveland game, the Cavs shot 33%, but they missed a bunch of open 3's.
* Defensively, we are still not on the same page as far as communication goes. Saw some confusion on whether to swicth or not, etc.
* Kat played 39 mins tonight....Mikal played 42, Brunson, 41 and Hart at 43. Guys are tired....We need our bench guys back for sure.

Bro, I been fighting a war on the bold part for like 4 years now. I have always hated his defensive philosopy on this. Its why everyone shoots well vs us. Even scubs like the rookie from ATL. We give them a steady diet of open 3's.

Why is this situation more of a problem than a solution?

There is no doubt the Knicks are giving up too many 3’s but the also don’t give up too many easy rim shots, or at least that’s the practice and theory, and this has worked. The Knicks Net rating in 4 out of the last 5 years has been top 10 in league.

We just notice and focus in on Something that looks bad but smooths out cause of other things?

Ball don’t lie.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced?Season=2024-25&dir=A&sort=NET_RATING

Stats are great but they can also lie. My eye test been saying the same thing for years. Plus we beat up on a trash Det and Bucks. That will inflate your net rating. It also does not take into account if teams are just missing wide open 3 a specific game. Listen, I would not mind this much if Thibs had a counter when teams are clearly hitting their 3's. He does not. Our plan is if teams are hitting their open 3's just take the loss and try again the next game. Nothing changes.

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If he would have missed this shot the stats would have pointed to a good defensive possessions. We know damn well that is bad defense. Stats are good but to rely only on them is not smart. We paid the price for it vs the Hawks in the playoffs. All those open 3's teams missed all year went in the second the playoffs started. It's no coincidence we had a scrub of the night that always killed us. These are NBA players. You give them open 3's they are going to make a lot of them. Especially now with the whole league emphasis on shooting.

I am not just talking about this year though. It’s a philosophy and you start at some place and work your way from there.

Stats in 4 out of 5 years is pretty convincing, especially when you are top 10. I’d guess that stats are much more consistent than your eye test?