martin wrote:
Please help me understand the players you think can replace iHart at the $5m mark the Knicks can use? I am interested.

That player needs to come close to help facilitate making the other players on team better on the offensive side of things while being good defensively. Who are they?

Drummond has shown repeatedly that he is a nothing burger on multiple teams. Ziltch. In fact, Drummond is so poor I can’t even recall the last team he has had an impact on.

The Knicks had several chances of getting a backup C in the draft for $2m per year or less. They decided to punt them. Even with guys like Filipowski still on the board. Which makes me think that they feel that they have had the C situation already all figured out. Either they have known all along that they could meet iHart's conditions for coming back, or they already had another experienced player with whom to replace him firmly in sight.

And I find it hard to believe that they see Jericho Sims as that player.

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:These are the teams that can compete for iHart.

76ers, Detroit, Utah, Hornets all seem like absolute no-go's?

I don't see Spurs using cap space on a guy that'll contribute to too much winning, I think they are tanking for 1 more year.

OKC, Orlando.

Orlando has Suggs, Banchero, Franz, Black. iHart would go there for the $ cause that team is not nearly good enough.

OKC will offer $ and a weird fit but a winning team.

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My sense is that this board is possibly over-pricing iHart. Love him and want him here. I enjoy the chemistry. But he is entirely replaceable at price. I cannot think of a reason why Drummond plays for the vet minimum while iHart is seeking 16m. I would reward him for being here, but there is reasonableness in keeping him in the 10-12m range and maxing at 14m. Could he become Jokic? Probably not. Awesome teammate and I love him. I am more hoping to S&T at 16mm to another squad to pick up the TPE than to actually keep him at 16m. OG took that money already. Hell, at this point if we can S&T Hartenstein and trade Robinson for
Assets, I am happy to pick up Drummond and Bitadze RJ fill that floor space. Use the spare money on other vets like Batum. You can fill 90% of that slots’ production at 30% of the cost. Unfortunate, but true.

I agree with you. We’ve been attached to IHart but there is a price point where the team is better served looking elsewhere.

Please help me understand the players you think can replace iHart at the $5m mark the Knicks can use? I am interested.

That player needs to come close to help facilitate making the other players on team better on the offensive side of things while being good defensively. Who are they?

Drummond has shown repeatedly that he is a nothing burger on multiple teams. Ziltch. In fact, Drummond is so poor I can’t even recall the last team he has had an impact on.

Feel some are placing too much emphasis on IHart but more specifically, having TWO top tier expensive centers. Fact is we just added another player that can guard multiple positions.
Believe there is a possibility the FO and Thibs may like the idea of small ball with Randle at the 5. Making the signing of another 5 just insurance for injuries. MR is still the starter. Overpaying for a backup seems like an overreach. Think keeping only one of MR or IHart is the right move.

Someone used the “running back” analogy from the NFL - like center in the NBA it was once the premier position but now you fill it with later draft picks and lower salaries. Putting your chips on a Saquon Barkley for instance is no longer a cost effective way to structure your team. That money is better used elsewhere. Ultimately I am saying I have faith in the FO to do what they think is best. Of course there is never a guarantee.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Feel some are placing too much emphasis on IHart but more specifically, having TWO top tier expensive centers. Fact is we just added another player that can guard multiple positions.
Believe there is a possibility the FO and Thibs may like the idea of small ball with Randle at the 5. Making the signing of another 5 just insurance for injuries. MR is still the starter. Overpaying for a backup seems like an overreach. Think keeping only one of MR or IHart is the right move.

I am more inclined to think of Mitch and iHart as above-average backup centers, but below-average starting centers. If you have both of them on the team, it is evens out with having an average starter and an average backup, which makes you well set at this position. But if you lose one of them, then you have a below-average starter and average or below-average replacement as the backup. Considering the scarcity of big men we experienced last season, losing iHart without getting back a player of comparable quality sets us back in terms of frontcourt quality. Not a good thing for a team that has just been abused for 33 points per game by a hobbled Embiid in the playoffs.

Feel MR is an elite defensive center.
Others who possess the same attribute are well paid and needed.
If you look at Boston, they just won a chip with an aging backup at the 5.
Point spot is, feel one of the 2 are good enough.
As we saw in the Pacer series, we needed a smaller C to stay on the perimeter with Turner and quick enough to rotate on defense more than we needed a traditional 5.

SergioNYK wrote:If Hartenstein leaves, we'll find a good replacement. Not even worried about it. Thibs and this coaching staff makes players better.

iHart stepped up big time, and desperately want him back...but I feel like every summer we start forgetting/downplaying Mitch's impact at C.

jaydh wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:If Hartenstein leaves, we'll find a good replacement. Not even worried about it. Thibs and this coaching staff makes players better.

iHart stepped up big time, and desperately want him back...but I feel like every summer we start forgetting/downplaying Mitch's impact at C.

I think that's due to a lack of reliability and a lack of an offensive game. iHart is unique, you prioritize and pay unique.

Since when is a Center with no offensive game unique?

Clean wrote:

Rookie wrote:

jaydh wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:If Hartenstein leaves, we'll find a good replacement. Not even worried about it. Thibs and this coaching staff makes players better.

iHart stepped up big time, and desperately want him back...but I feel like every summer we start forgetting/downplaying Mitch's impact at C.

I think that's due to a lack of reliability and a lack of an offensive game. iHart is unique, you prioritize and pay unique.

Since when is a Center with no offensive game unique?

How many centers can also be a secondary playmaker? How about doing that while also being good at rebounding and defense? How many of those would we be able to afford? For some reason you are focused on one aspect of the game.

Don't forget the automatic floater. That ****'s money.

If I'm running the show, I'm looking for a contingency plan in the event that Mitch is unavailable for the majority of the season.

And I'm a Mitch fan.

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