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NYKMentality
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2/9/2023  4:53 PM
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SergioNYK wrote:We're not beating the Cavs in a playoff series! LOL Maybe we can make it competitive and make it a 6 games series (if Randle plays well) but I can't see us winning that. But between them and Philly and Milwaukee, yeah Cleveland is the easier opponent. We'd get swept or lose in 5 to Philly and especially Milwaukee.
Knicks are 2-1 against Cavs this season.

And also 2-1 against Philadelphia.

But yea in regards to Josh Hart? Him becoming the NBA's most dominant rebounding wing player shouldn't be a shocker to anyone, see below....

They were all awesome kids but Josh Hart was actually the best (overall) player on that Villanova Championship winning squad.

I'm so fired up over this trade.

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2/9/2023  5:11 PM
yeah sounds about right

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2/9/2023  5:28 PM
I like this take:

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2/9/2023  6:46 PM
martin wrote:I like this take:

This all said, if he shoots .350 from 3 rather than .300, he'll be BETTER than TT's molded from clay dream.

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2/9/2023  7:32 PM
Interesting stuff

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2/9/2023  7:33 PM
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2/9/2023  8:01 PM
martin wrote:You know what the wild part is?

I don't know if the Knicks could have done this trade WITHOUT trading for Cam a year ago, as strange as that sounds.

Would POR have taken the CHA first (in the Cam deal and now probably considered a lock to transfer to 2 second round picks) and the 2023 pick and Knox (or other dead weight salary) for example for salary?

Prob not?

Yes its called upgrading assets. Leon Rose+co have done a great job of this in their tenure.

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2/9/2023  8:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2023  8:26 PM
So Hart or Grimes in the starting lineup? For me, this becomes

Brunson/Hart/Barrett/Randle/Hart until Mitch gets back.

Through 10 man
MM/IQ/QG/OT/JS

No disrespect to Grimes intended here, I would want to focus on him more in that second unit. Give him a larger role. Balance out minutes in the 2nd half to get guys ready for post-season.

With the Nets trading everyone, they may still hold on to a playoff spot, but that 5 seed vs the Cavs looks pretty enticing. I’d like to be there.

You know I gonna spin wit it
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2/9/2023  8:30 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:So Hart or Grimes in the starting lineup? For me, this becomes

Brunson/Hart/Barrett/Randle/Hart until Mitch gets back.

Through 10 man
MM/IQ/QG/OT/JS

No disrespect to Grimes intended here, I would want to focus on him more in that second unit. Give him a larger role. Balance out minutes in the 2nd half to get guys ready for post-season.

With the Nets trading everyone, they may still hold on to a playoff spot, but that 5 seed vs the Cavs looks pretty enticing. I’d like to be there.

I think you need Grimes in the starting unit due to his three point shooting. Also, Hart's energy and versatility is made for the bench. He and IQ will provide a jolt. He'll get minutes plenty of minutes behind RJ and Grimes anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it.

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2/9/2023  8:34 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:So Hart or Grimes in the starting lineup? For me, this becomes

Brunson/Hart/Barrett/Randle/Hart until Mitch gets back.

Through 10 man
MM/IQ/QG/OT/JS

No disrespect to Grimes intended here, I would want to focus on him more in that second unit. Give him a larger role. Balance out minutes in the 2nd half to get guys ready for post-season.

With the Nets trading everyone, they may still hold on to a playoff spot, but that 5 seed vs the Cavs looks pretty enticing. I’d like to be there.

I think you need Grimes in the starting unit due to his three point shooting. Also, Hart's energy and versatility is made for the bench. He and IQ will provide a jolt. He'll get minutes plenty of minutes behind RJ and Grimes anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it.

I mean, Q is a 36% 3 point shoot (career) and Hart is 34% career. Hart is bringing a lot more length 6’9 vs 6’5 wingspan for Q.

I think those screen assists from Hart are going to be valuable.

I’m not saying I’m certain on this, but I certainly think it’s more open for discussion than not.

You know I gonna spin wit it
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2/9/2023  8:36 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:So Hart or Grimes in the starting lineup? For me, this becomes

Brunson/Hart/Barrett/Randle/Hart until Mitch gets back.

Through 10 man
MM/IQ/QG/OT/JS

No disrespect to Grimes intended here, I would want to focus on him more in that second unit. Give him a larger role. Balance out minutes in the 2nd half to get guys ready for post-season.

With the Nets trading everyone, they may still hold on to a playoff spot, but that 5 seed vs the Cavs looks pretty enticing. I’d like to be there.

I think you need Grimes in the starting unit due to his three point shooting. Also, Hart's energy and versatility is made for the bench. He and IQ will provide a jolt. He'll get minutes plenty of minutes behind RJ and Grimes anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it.

Not saying you're wrong, but are we sure that JHart will be in the second unit? I get the feeling that depends on Grimes hitting the 3. Hart hasnt been that great either, but he has more in the toolbox.

I would love to see IQ and Grimes taking turns running the point in the second unit. See how Brunson and his old Villanova teammate does to start.

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2/9/2023  9:10 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:So Hart or Grimes in the starting lineup? For me, this becomes

Brunson/Hart/Barrett/Randle/Hart until Mitch gets back.

Through 10 man
MM/IQ/QG/OT/JS

No disrespect to Grimes intended here, I would want to focus on him more in that second unit. Give him a larger role. Balance out minutes in the 2nd half to get guys ready for post-season.

With the Nets trading everyone, they may still hold on to a playoff spot, but that 5 seed vs the Cavs looks pretty enticing. I’d like to be there.

I think you need Grimes in the starting unit due to his three point shooting. Also, Hart's energy and versatility is made for the bench. He and IQ will provide a jolt. He'll get minutes plenty of minutes behind RJ and Grimes anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it.

Not saying you're wrong, but are we sure that JHart will be in the second unit? I get the feeling that depends on Grimes hitting the 3. Hart hasnt been that great either, but he has more in the toolbox.

I would love to see IQ and Grimes taking turns running the point in the second unit. See how Brunson and his old Villanova teammate does to start.

Yeah and no. I think Grimes is a better passer and offensive connector, something you need with JR, JB and RJ. And even with his recent struggles, Grimes is still steadier from 3 than Hart. I also like the idea of Hart being a Swiss army knife off the bench who can plug in various holes, My only question is how much this cuts into RJ's stewardship off the bench unit.

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2/9/2023  9:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2023  9:18 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:So Hart or Grimes in the starting lineup? For me, this becomes

Brunson/Hart/Barrett/Randle/Hart until Mitch gets back.

Through 10 man
MM/IQ/QG/OT/JS

No disrespect to Grimes intended here, I would want to focus on him more in that second unit. Give him a larger role. Balance out minutes in the 2nd half to get guys ready for post-season.

With the Nets trading everyone, they may still hold on to a playoff spot, but that 5 seed vs the Cavs looks pretty enticing. I’d like to be there.

I think you need Grimes in the starting unit due to his three point shooting. Also, Hart's energy and versatility is made for the bench. He and IQ will provide a jolt. He'll get minutes plenty of minutes behind RJ and Grimes anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it.

Not saying you're wrong, but are we sure that JHart will be in the second unit? I get the feeling that depends on Grimes hitting the 3. Hart hasnt been that great either, but he has more in the toolbox.

I would love to see IQ and Grimes taking turns running the point in the second unit. See how Brunson and his old Villanova teammate does to start.

Yeah and no. I think Grimes is a better passer and offensive connector, something you need with JR, JB and RJ. And even with his recent struggles, Grimes is still steadier from 3 than Hart. I also like the idea of Hart being a Swiss army knife off the bench who can plug in various holes, My only question is how much this cuts into RJ's stewardship off the bench unit.

Just think of Hart as the new Alec Burks. Burks played with the 2nd unit but also finished games quite a bit

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2/9/2023  9:16 PM
martin wrote:

Martin. This is an incredible advanced statistic that I wasn't aware of, until now.

In other words. He loves transition play and excells on the FAST BREAK!

Dude. Both Immanuel Quickley and Obi Toppin love to get out and run; I think Hart is going to electrify our entire team especially our 2nd unit.

I'm excited man.

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2/9/2023  9:22 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:Who, Josh Hart? He will definitely be in the rotation. He is a Thibs player.

Philc1 wrote:A new guy who won’t be in the rotation. Cool.

So who is getting injured?

More like who is on thin ice?

Best part of this trade is Brunson seems to love the guy. Whatever it takes to keep him happy

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2/9/2023  9:28 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:So Hart or Grimes in the starting lineup? For me, this becomes

Brunson/Hart/Barrett/Randle/Hart until Mitch gets back.

Through 10 man
MM/IQ/QG/OT/JS

No disrespect to Grimes intended here, I would want to focus on him more in that second unit. Give him a larger role. Balance out minutes in the 2nd half to get guys ready for post-season.

With the Nets trading everyone, they may still hold on to a playoff spot, but that 5 seed vs the Cavs looks pretty enticing. I’d like to be there.

I think you need Grimes in the starting unit due to his three point shooting. Also, Hart's energy and versatility is made for the bench. He and IQ will provide a jolt. He'll get minutes plenty of minutes behind RJ and Grimes anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it.

Not saying you're wrong, but are we sure that JHart will be in the second unit? I get the feeling that depends on Grimes hitting the 3. Hart hasnt been that great either, but he has more in the toolbox.

I would love to see IQ and Grimes taking turns running the point in the second unit. See how Brunson and his old Villanova teammate does to start.

Yeah and no. I think Grimes is a better passer and offensive connector, something you need with JR, JB and RJ. And even with his recent struggles, Grimes is still steadier from 3 than Hart. I also like the idea of Hart being a Swiss army knife off the bench who can plug in various holes, My only question is how much this cuts into RJ's stewardship off the bench unit.

I mean, Hart averages 4 asts per game and 8 rebounds. I like Grimes a lot, but are we maybe overstating his usefulness in a lineup that has 3 players with 27%+ usage? Hart does most of what he does without needing the ball. Kind of a better complement to our ball hogs. Putting Grimes back with McBride and IQ reunites what is probably our best defensive line. I think Grimes in a more solidified second unit actually gets him more touches.

You know I gonna spin wit it
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2/9/2023  9:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2023  9:32 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
martin wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:We're not beating the Cavs in a playoff series! LOL Maybe we can make it competitive and make it a 6 games series (if Randle plays well) but I can't see us winning that. But between them and Philly and Milwaukee, yeah Cleveland is the easier opponent. We'd get swept or lose in 5 to Philly and especially Milwaukee.
Knicks are 2-1 against Cavs this season.

And also 2-1 against Philadelphia.

But yea in regards to Josh Hart? Him becoming the NBA's most dominant rebounding wing player shouldn't be a shocker to anyone, see below....

They were all awesome kids but Josh Hart was actually the best (overall) player on that Villanova Championship winning squad.

I'm so fired up over this trade.

Averages over 8 boards a game as a 6’4 Guard

Josh Hart to Knicks

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