Panos wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:I WAS a big rj fan, but hes too inconsistent. His 20 ppg avg is bogus . I now look back and wonder if rj was in the Mitchell trade would we hsve gotten him a little cheaper with the draft picks.

He's the weak link on the team

Not going to go all in on Cam here but there is no way Cam would be playing this crappy if he were being given 35-40 mins every night like RJ. His shooting might be up/down but we would get much better play everywhere else.

RJ is killing me watching him slug around - on defense he is basically just holding onto the offensive player for dear life…like he is being dragged behind a car.

Kemet wrote:

Panos wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:I WAS a big rj fan, but hes too inconsistent. His 20 ppg avg is bogus . I now look back and wonder if rj was in the Mitchell trade would we hsve gotten him a little cheaper with the draft picks.

He's the weak link on the team

This was supposed to be Cam Reddish (final contract) season, but we gave all Reddish playing time to RJ Barrett, making Barrett the most minute played player on the Knicks this season.
When Reddish defense & slashing & passing talents are better than Barrett.
Reddish is not a one on one scorer to fit in coach Thibs offense.

YEP

As Clyde pointed out, they looked like they ran out of steam by OT. Some believe that giving vets like Rose, Fournier, Svi, minutes is moving away from the youth movement. I disagree.

The idea is to make the playoffs with key players having something left in the tank. Playoff experience means more than regular season experience. Sometimes it comes down to conditioning. Like to see the bench help more in that dept.

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martin wrote:ugh, not wrong

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Kid looks like he is carrying a piano on his back - absolutely brutal again.

We are the NY KNICKS - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. JUST CRAZY - how ever ball bounces perfectly into the opponent’s hands at the garden - seemingly every time.

Brunson is such a good player. He willed his team back into this game. 41 points on 14/19 and 5/7 from three is insane! And he did it against guys who he has a little trouble with, those lengthy bigger players. And Brunson just took it to them and got into the paint whenever he wanted and his three ball was on on. So glad he's a Knick!

Great signs from Grimes the past two games. He's starting to hit that three again and hit timely shots. Same with Deuce! At this point I think I'm leaning toward just keeping Deuce in his current role over acquiring a vet to do it. Let the kid keep growing! Randle had a decent game but the 5 turnovers killed us.

At this point I have to admit RJ has become last years Randle in terms of just annoying the hell out of me. I'm starting to really dislike him and it sucks. It's at the level where I honestly prefer IQ in that lineup over him. It sucks cause I like RJ and have defended him. He's just letting everyone down. He hasn't taken that next step. Maybe there is no next step but he's going backwards. It's not just the poor shooting even though the missed wide open threes and missed layups in transition are killers. In the past he was at least a mediocre/average defender. Right now, he's horrendous. Even Clyde mentioned it last night. RJ doesn't try rotating to shooters and his one on one defense is poor. He gets cooked every single game with little to no resistance. He's Fournier level bad right now. I hate to say this but I wouldn't mind if he's traded in the next few days. I think I've seen enough. This kid isn't going to be what I thought he was going to be.

SergioNYK wrote:Tough loss but I'm proud how we fought back down 17 against that team. The Clippers are better then what their record says and they have two worldly Super Stars and a good supporting cast. They have as good a chance as anyone to come out of the West!

Brunson is such a good player. He willed his team back into this game. 41 points on 14/19 and 5/7 from three is insane! And he did it against guys who he has a little trouble with, those lengthy bigger players. And Brunson just took it to them and got into the paint whenever he wanted and his three ball was on on. So glad he's a Knick!

Great signs from Grimes the past two games. He's starting to hit that three again and hit timely shots. Same with Deuce! At this point I think I'm leaning toward just keeping Deuce in his current role over acquiring a vet to do it. Let the kid keep growing! Randle had a decent game but the 5 turnovers killed us.

At this point I have to admit RJ has become last years Randle in terms of just annoying the hell out of me. I'm starting to really dislike him and it sucks. It's at the level where I honestly prefer IQ in that lineup over him. It sucks cause I like RJ and have defended him. He's just letting everyone down. He hasn't taken that next step. Maybe there is no next step but he's going backwards. It's not just the poor shooting even though the missed wide open threes and missed layups in transition are killers. In the past he was at least a mediocre/average defender. Right now, he's horrendous. Even Clyde mentioned it last night. RJ doesn't try rotating to shooters and his one on one defense is poor. He gets cooked every single game with little to no resistance. He's Fournier level bad right now. I hate to say this but I wouldn't mind if he's traded in the next few days. I think I've seen enough. This kid isn't going to be what I thought he was going to be.

NYStateOfMind wrote:Not that they would accept, but would you trade RJ, Obi, and 2 first for SGA or Booker?

SergioNYK wrote:Tough loss but I'm proud how we fought back down 17 against that team. The Clippers are better then what their record says and they have two worldly Super Stars and a good supporting cast. They have as good a chance as anyone to come out of the West!

Brunson is such a good player. He willed his team back into this game. 41 points on 14/19 and 5/7 from three is insane! And he did it against guys who he has a little trouble with, those lengthy bigger players. And Brunson just took it to them and got into the paint whenever he wanted and his three ball was on on. So glad he's a Knick!

Great signs from Grimes the past two games. He's starting to hit that three again and hit timely shots. Same with Deuce! At this point I think I'm leaning toward just keeping Deuce in his current role over acquiring a vet to do it. Let the kid keep growing! Randle had a decent game but the 5 turnovers killed us.

At this point I have to admit RJ has become last years Randle in terms of just annoying the hell out of me. I'm starting to really dislike him and it sucks. It's at the level where I honestly prefer IQ in that lineup over him. It sucks cause I like RJ and have defended him. He's just letting everyone down. He hasn't taken that next step. Maybe there is no next step but he's going backwards. It's not just the poor shooting even though the missed wide open threes and missed layups in transition are killers. In the past he was at least a mediocre/average defender. Right now, he's horrendous. Even Clyde mentioned it last night. RJ doesn't try rotating to shooters and his one on one defense is poor. He gets cooked every single game with little to no resistance. He's Fournier level bad right now. I hate to say this but I wouldn't mind if he's traded in the next few days. I think I've seen enough. This kid isn't going to be what I thought he was going to be.

Hell yeah! At this point I think I'd swap RJ for OG or Kuzma (if it worked financially) straight up, no picks. I'm really pissed and sour at RJ this morning.

NYStateOfMind wrote:They meant before a 3 was taken. They really thought they had them pinned on the other side, so I see why they didn't, but a foul there might have done it. Heck, make Batum hit 3 FTs. He is just a 65% FT shooter. Either might have got the 1 pt win.

Philc1 wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:Someone has to explain why the Knicks didn't foul on the last play of regulation. Up by 3 with 18 seconds left.

Because the clippers were shooting a 3.

You have to be very careful fouling on purpose in that situation. I remember in 1997 we fouled Glen Rice on purpose in the exact same situation and he hit the 3 and got a 4 point play for the win. I’m actually surprised the refs didn’t call a foul for Batum on that last second 3

NYStateOfMind wrote:Not that they would accept, but would you trade RJ, Obi, and 2 first for SGA or Booker?

SergioNYK wrote:Tough loss but I'm proud how we fought back down 17 against that team. The Clippers are better then what their record says and they have two worldly Super Stars and a good supporting cast. They have as good a chance as anyone to come out of the West!

Brunson is such a good player. He willed his team back into this game. 41 points on 14/19 and 5/7 from three is insane! And he did it against guys who he has a little trouble with, those lengthy bigger players. And Brunson just took it to them and got into the paint whenever he wanted and his three ball was on on. So glad he's a Knick!

Great signs from Grimes the past two games. He's starting to hit that three again and hit timely shots. Same with Deuce! At this point I think I'm leaning toward just keeping Deuce in his current role over acquiring a vet to do it. Let the kid keep growing! Randle had a decent game but the 5 turnovers killed us.

At this point I have to admit RJ has become last years Randle in terms of just annoying the hell out of me. I'm starting to really dislike him and it sucks. It's at the level where I honestly prefer IQ in that lineup over him. It sucks cause I like RJ and have defended him. He's just letting everyone down. He hasn't taken that next step. Maybe there is no next step but he's going backwards. It's not just the poor shooting even though the missed wide open threes and missed layups in transition are killers. In the past he was at least a mediocre/average defender. Right now, he's horrendous. Even Clyde mentioned it last night. RJ doesn't try rotating to shooters and his one on one defense is poor. He gets cooked every single game with little to no resistance. He's Fournier level bad right now. I hate to say this but I wouldn't mind if he's traded in the next few days. I think I've seen enough. This kid isn't going to be what I thought he was going to be.

Absolutely but the cost would likely be a combo of 4 picks and RJ/Obi — I’m really not sure what type of assets the rest of the league view RJ/Obi as.

martin wrote:Feels about right

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Sims?!