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TPercy
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12/27/2022  11:14 PM
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TPercy wrote:What a **** loss and this is 1000% on the players

Not gonna let you get away with making this post without explanation.

I’m sorry but whose fault is it that these guys are paid millions of dollars and can’t hit their free throws? This is 1000% their fault. They had the game and they screwed the pooch.

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12/27/2022  11:15 PM
If they are going to trade Cam do it already if not, play him
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12/27/2022  11:16 PM
62% from the line. 62%
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12/27/2022  11:16 PM
Luka with 22 FT's??? This league sucks
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12/27/2022  11:19 PM
Many questionable calls this eve.

46 minutes for McBride
51 minutes for Quick
45 minutes for Randle
48 minutes for Grimes

That is insane. I know we are short handed, but Christ that’s ridiculous
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12/27/2022  11:20 PM
TPercy wrote:
Sambakick wrote:
TPercy wrote:What a **** loss and this is 1000% on the players

Not gonna let you get away with making this post without explanation.

I’m sorry but whose fault is it that these guys are paid millions of dollars and can’t hit their free throws? This is 1000% their fault. They had the game and they screwed the pooch.

We were up 9 with 44 seconds left and two timeouts. Only 1 free throw was missed.. We shouldn't be in any position where one miss threatens a 9 point lead. This is THIBS fault at least 99%

44.1 Julius Randle makes 2-foot two point shot 110 101
44.1 Mavericks Full timeout 110 101
41.1 Luka Doncic makes driving layup (Spencer Dinwiddie assists) 110 103
33.2 Christian Wood personal take foul 110 103
33.2 Miles McBride makes free throw 1 of 2 111 103
33.2 Miles McBride makes free throw 2 of 2 112 103
26.1 Christian Wood makes 28-foot three point jumper (Tim Hardaway Jr. assists) 112 106
21.0 Quentin Grimes vs. Luka Doncic (Tim Hardaway Jr. gains possession) 112 106
21.0 Quentin Grimes lost ball turnover (Luka Doncic steals) 112 106
18.0 Tim Hardaway Jr. misses 29-foot three point jumper 112 106
15.1 Luka Doncic offensive rebound 112 106
15.1 Luka Doncic makes two point shot 112 108
15.1 Immanuel Quickley shooting foul 112 108
15.1 Luka Doncic makes free throw 1 of 1 112 109
15.1 Knicks Full timeout 112 109
15.1 Reggie Bullock enters the game for Christian Wood 112 109
15.1 Frank Ntilikina enters the game for Dwight Powell 112 109
15.1 Derrick Rose enters the game for Mitchell Robinson 112 109
11.1 Luka Doncic personal take foul 112 109
11.1 Miles McBride misses free throw 1 of 2 112 109
11.1 Knicks offensive team rebound 112 109
11.1 Christian Wood enters the game for Reggie Bullock 112 109
11.1 Dwight Powell enters the game for Frank Ntilikina 112 109
11.1 Mitchell Robinson enters the game for Derrick Rose 112 109
11.1 Miles McBride makes free throw 2 of 2 113 109
11.1 Mavericks Full timeout 113 109
11.1 Reggie Bullock enters the game for Christian Wood 113 109
9.1 Spencer Dinwiddie makes 27-foot three pointer (Luka Doncic assists) 113 112
8.1 Knicks Full timeout 113 112
8.1 Frank Ntilikina enters the game for Dwight Powell 113 112
8.1 Derrick Rose enters the game for Mitchell Robinson 113 112
7.1 Spencer Dinwiddie personal take foul 113 112
7.1 Miles McBride makes free throw 1 of 2 114 112
7.1 Dwight Powell enters the game for Reggie Bullock 114 112
7.1 Christian Wood enters the game for Frank Ntilikina 114 112
7.1 Mitchell Robinson enters the game for Derrick Rose 114 112
7.1 Miles McBride makes free throw 2 of 2 115 112
4.0 Quentin Grimes personal take foul 115 112
4.0 Luka Doncic makes free throw 1 of 2 115 113
4.0 JaVale McGee enters the game for Dwight Powell 115 113
4.0 Luka Doncic misses free throw 2 of 2 115 113
1.0 Luka Doncic offensive rebound 115 113
1.0 Luka Doncic makes 11-foot jumper 115 115
0.0 Immanuel Quickley misses 62-foot three point jumper 115 115
0.0 Knicks offensive team rebound 115 115

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12/27/2022  11:20 PM
Let da yoots play. And this is why.

We are too fragile of a team to survive any playoff series.

Might as well join the tank-a-thon. Try to get a high pick. Putting lipstick on a pig is getting old. Time to get a new pig.

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12/27/2022  11:21 PM
TPercy wrote:62% from the line. 62%

110-101 99.4% win probability.

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12/27/2022  11:23 PM
VDesai wrote:3 years of Thibs not being able to run an end game offense and hold leads. Same story over and over again. Team not mentally strong enough to hit closing FTs

Did you not get the memo? We are to ignore the red flags because of an 8 game winning streak.
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12/27/2022  11:24 PM
What happen the final minute of the game tonight ???
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12/27/2022  11:27 PM
TPercy wrote:
Sambakick wrote:
TPercy wrote:What a **** loss and this is 1000% on the players

Not gonna let you get away with making this post without explanation.

I’m sorry but whose fault is it that these guys are paid millions of dollars and can’t hit their free throws? This is 1000% their fault. They had the game and they screwed the pooch.

I saw parts of this game. But what I am seeing (and I could be wrong) through this game and the other 3 losses is

Teams have figured out Grimes and Mcbride. Mcbride at least is still playing good D but I noticed him shooting more.

Grimes on the other hand I have watched make stupid fouls at the end of games, miss key shots, and make bad decisions. I don't know if it is who he is or just the lul before his next stage of development but I am starting to really dislike some of what he is doing.

Teams are switching Grimes off their best offensive player and targeting Randle using the pick and roll just to isolate. Especially at the end of games or key possessions.

The failure to execute at the end of games can be layed at the feet of both coach and players.

Massive failure by the coach to make adjustments or at least try to find a hot hand by running plays for different players. And NO I am NOT advocating playing guys like Fournier or Cam. I am advocating using different strategies with your best players.

It's on the coach to adapt but on the players to execute. I think there is a total failure on both right now.

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12/27/2022  11:30 PM
Sambakick wrote:
TPercy wrote:
Sambakick wrote:
TPercy wrote:What a **** loss and this is 1000% on the players

Not gonna let you get away with making this post without explanation.

I’m sorry but whose fault is it that these guys are paid millions of dollars and can’t hit their free throws? This is 1000% their fault. They had the game and they screwed the pooch.

We were up 9 with 44 seconds left and two timeouts. Only 1 free throw was missed.. We shouldn't be in any position where one miss threatens a 9 point lead. This is THIBS fault at least 99%

44.1 Julius Randle makes 2-foot two point shot 110 101
44.1 Mavericks Full timeout 110 101
41.1 Luka Doncic makes driving layup (Spencer Dinwiddie assists) 110 103
33.2 Christian Wood personal take foul 110 103
33.2 Miles McBride makes free throw 1 of 2 111 103
33.2 Miles McBride makes free throw 2 of 2 112 103
26.1 Christian Wood makes 28-foot three point jumper (Tim Hardaway Jr. assists) 112 106
21.0 Quentin Grimes vs. Luka Doncic (Tim Hardaway Jr. gains possession) 112 106
21.0 Quentin Grimes lost ball turnover (Luka Doncic steals) 112 106
18.0 Tim Hardaway Jr. misses 29-foot three point jumper 112 106
15.1 Luka Doncic offensive rebound 112 106
15.1 Luka Doncic makes two point shot 112 108
15.1 Immanuel Quickley shooting foul 112 108
15.1 Luka Doncic makes free throw 1 of 1 112 109
15.1 Knicks Full timeout 112 109
15.1 Reggie Bullock enters the game for Christian Wood 112 109
15.1 Frank Ntilikina enters the game for Dwight Powell 112 109
15.1 Derrick Rose enters the game for Mitchell Robinson 112 109
11.1 Luka Doncic personal take foul 112 109
11.1 Miles McBride misses free throw 1 of 2 112 109
11.1 Knicks offensive team rebound 112 109
11.1 Christian Wood enters the game for Reggie Bullock 112 109
11.1 Dwight Powell enters the game for Frank Ntilikina 112 109
11.1 Mitchell Robinson enters the game for Derrick Rose 112 109
11.1 Miles McBride makes free throw 2 of 2 113 109
11.1 Mavericks Full timeout 113 109
11.1 Reggie Bullock enters the game for Christian Wood 113 109
9.1 Spencer Dinwiddie makes 27-foot three pointer (Luka Doncic assists) 113 112
8.1 Knicks Full timeout 113 112
8.1 Frank Ntilikina enters the game for Dwight Powell 113 112
8.1 Derrick Rose enters the game for Mitchell Robinson 113 112
7.1 Spencer Dinwiddie personal take foul 113 112
7.1 Miles McBride makes free throw 1 of 2 114 112
7.1 Dwight Powell enters the game for Reggie Bullock 114 112
7.1 Christian Wood enters the game for Frank Ntilikina 114 112
7.1 Mitchell Robinson enters the game for Derrick Rose 114 112
7.1 Miles McBride makes free throw 2 of 2 115 112
4.0 Quentin Grimes personal take foul 115 112
4.0 Luka Doncic makes free throw 1 of 2 115 113
4.0 JaVale McGee enters the game for Dwight Powell 115 113
4.0 Luka Doncic misses free throw 2 of 2 115 113
1.0 Luka Doncic offensive rebound 115 113
1.0 Luka Doncic makes 11-foot jumper 115 115
0.0 Immanuel Quickley misses 62-foot three point jumper 115 115
0.0 Knicks offensive team rebound 115 115

I may be old school but, free throws or no free throws, not giving up 9 points on the final minute would fall directly on the players ****ting the bed on defense.

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12/27/2022  11:31 PM
I know Randle is a beast. I know he wants to win. I know he’s our best players.

But he’s a hot head. And that negative energy is getting old.

4 in a row.

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12/27/2022  11:32 PM
Never seen a team lost +9 w 30 sec left. I’m too tired to be 😢
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12/27/2022  11:32 PM
joec32033 wrote:

I may be old school but, free throws or no free throws, not giving up 9 points on the final minute would fall directly on the players ****ting the bed on defense.


1. Thibs not calling timeout when Grimes was doubled at the baseline.
2. Thibs not putting Sims in for Grimes when all we needed was a rebound.

That's two blown decisions before you get to his rotations and not having a veteran like DRose out there.

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12/27/2022  11:33 PM
I could accept not playing Cam when I thought we had a trade lined up for the 15th of December. We are now near the end of the year and we are short people and still not using him. Whatever that is going on with Cam is losing us games because we are forced to overplay players.
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12/27/2022  11:34 PM
Grimes is only 22.

He did drop 32 tonight, I think he still doesn’t know how good he can be. He should have been attacking Luka on the wings and needs to welcome contact when he goes to the hoop.

He has made a few very tough plays this week when it mattered, but he’s a real bright spot.

This one is definitely on the coach
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12/27/2022  11:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2022  11:47 PM
MS wrote:Many questionable calls this eve.

46 minutes for McBride
51 minutes for Quick
45 minutes for Randle
48 minutes for Grimes

That is insane. I know we are short handed, but Christ that’s ridiculous

When the average NBA player plays above 32 minutes their FT shooting becomes 50-50 (the Knicks roster prove that a fact in so many games).
The Big Problem with that is they are hoisting up 3 ball shots after 40 minutes of playing time.
Thibs played a 8 man rotation tonight in a OT game ...
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12/27/2022  11:46 PM
Sambakick wrote:
joec32033 wrote:

I may be old school but, free throws or no free throws, not giving up 9 points on the final minute would fall directly on the players ****ting the bed on defense.


1. Thibs not calling timeout when Grimes was doubled at the baseline.
2. Thibs not putting Sims in for Grimes when all we needed was a rebound.

That's two blown decisions before you get to his rotations and not having a veteran like DRose out there.

The substitution rests directly on Thibs. Grimes can call a timeout in that situation too. I would think that is on them both.

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12/27/2022  11:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2022  11:56 PM
joec32033 wrote:
Sambakick wrote:
joec32033 wrote:

I may be old school but, free throws or no free throws, not giving up 9 points on the final minute would fall directly on the players ****ting the bed on defense.


1. Thibs not calling timeout when Grimes was doubled at the baseline.
2. Thibs not putting Sims in for Grimes when all we needed was a rebound.

That's two blown decisions before you get to his rotations and not having a veteran like DRose out there.

The substitution rests directly on Thibs. Grimes can call a timeout in that situation too. I would think that is on them both.

Can Grimes substitute himself out for Sims? Ultimately its Thibs decision to trust Grimes.

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