Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:Maybe we should be congratulating Thibs on keeping the Knicks in games and winning when maybe they shouldn’t be. But then that is fools gold, like our first season with him.

I am most concerned with RJ. Dude just got extended, and I am not sure that his struggles are related to the pressure of signing the big money deal.

I had hoped Brunson would unlock potential, but maybe it is Thibs system on offense that sucks.

I think this is a large part of it, especially the fool's gold part. And then, unfortunately, the 2020 season success has set off some further missteps after that.

WE are a desperate group.

Where does Quinn Snyder go? Nets if they blow it up if he is cool to build from the ground up and at least a 5 year contract.

Boston if Mazulla craps out.
ATL if Mac can’t get out of first round.
Detroit who goes long with a culture build.

We just started season three. One game below 500.

I have no idea what you are talking about or responding to

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:Maybe we should be congratulating Thibs on keeping the Knicks in games and winning when maybe they shouldn’t be. But then that is fools gold, like our first season with him.

I am most concerned with RJ. Dude just got extended, and I am not sure that his struggles are related to the pressure of signing the big money deal.

I had hoped Brunson would unlock potential, but maybe it is Thibs system on offense that sucks.

I think this is a large part of it, especially the fool's gold part. And then, unfortunately, the 2020 season success has set off some further missteps after that.

WE are a desperate group.

Where does Quinn Snyder go? Nets if they blow it up if he is cool to build from the ground up and at least a 5 year contract.

Boston if Mazulla craps out.
ATL if Mac can’t get out of first round.
Detroit who goes long with a culture build.

We just started season three. One game below 500.

I have no idea what you are talking about or responding to

“Fire thibs and hire Snyder”!

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Just saying, every time over the last decade that the Knicks finished with a winning record. Mike Woodson was part of the coaching staff.

Such an underrated coach

Not really.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/woodsmi01c.html

Seems the hype from under informed fans makes him over rated now.
We all love Mike. he got canned for not being Steve Kerr and triangle centric. Nobody gave him an NBA job after.
Was he really the reason we got 4th seed or just a part of an overall good job by all?
Im not taking anything away from him, but Im not handing him sole credit either.

I agree Phil. Unfortunately there are some well respected fans who are itching to always have an opposite opinion or……

They throw shade at a coach then end it by saying “I’m not taking anything away from him”. I’m like you just did 🤦‍♂️. That’s the insanity I refuse to unwrap. But if anybody said anything negative about the ole mighty Thibs shet hits the fan.

Woodson was one of our better coaches and his record speaks for itself. He’s not coming here so let his knick legacy Rest In Peace. Let’s only hope and pray Thibs can get his team to play for him like Woodson did. Let’s hope and pray the FO finds Thibs some players like the FO did for woodson.

blkexec wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Just saying, every time over the last decade that the Knicks finished with a winning record. Mike Woodson was part of the coaching staff.

Such an underrated coach

Not really.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/woodsmi01c.html

Seems the hype from under informed fans makes him over rated now.
We all love Mike. he got canned for not being Steve Kerr and triangle centric. Nobody gave him an NBA job after.
Was he really the reason we got 4th seed or just a part of an overall good job by all?
Im not taking anything away from him, but Im not handing him sole credit either.

I agree Phil. Unfortunately there are some well respected fans who are itching to always have an opposite opinion or……

They throw shade at a coach then end it by saying “I’m not taking anything away from him”. I’m like you just did 🤦‍♂️. That’s the insanity I refuse to unwrap. But if anybody said anything negative about the ole mighty Thibs shet hits the fan.

Woodson was one of our better coaches and his record speaks for itself. He’s not coming here so let his knick legacy Rest In Peace. Let’s only hope and pray Thibs can get his team to play for him like Woodson did. Let’s hope and pray the FO finds Thibs some players like the FO did for woodson.

Yes, Woodson was one of our better coaches. Thats how bad it has been. I agree, sorry that did not come out.
We get HOF guys in like Larry and its awful! Guy goes to finals previous two years and then Isiah seduces him with riches. Insane times!
And Woodson did nothing wrong given the roster he had from the 54 win season to the 37 the next. 5 HOF players retired on us.

By the tine he left, he had all but given up on coaching the team. JR went back to his old self. Woodson would call a timeout to stop the bleeding, but he wouldnt have an answer. Just let them regroup. Got so bad that Melo screamed at him to coach during a timeout because he was just standing there with a blank expression on his face.

He was a great coach in Atl, good coach for a while in NY. But he got burned out as head coach pretty fast. Mike Miller available?

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Just saying, every time over the last decade that the Knicks finished with a winning record. Mike Woodson was part of the coaching staff.

Such an underrated coach

Not really.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/woodsmi01c.html

Seems the hype from under informed fans makes him over rated now.
We all love Mike. he got canned for not being Steve Kerr and triangle centric. Nobody gave him an NBA job after.
Was he really the reason we got 4th seed or just a part of an overall good job by all?
Im not taking anything away from him, but Im not handing him sole credit either.

You conveniently left out Woodson having the most successful Knicks season in 20 years by far with a 54 win season. And he somehow did it without Elf!

Nalod wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Just saying, every time over the last decade that the Knicks finished with a winning record. Mike Woodson was part of the coaching staff.

Such an underrated coach

Not really.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/woodsmi01c.html

Seems the hype from under informed fans makes him over rated now.
We all love Mike. he got canned for not being Steve Kerr and triangle centric. Nobody gave him an NBA job after.
Was he really the reason we got 4th seed or just a part of an overall good job by all?
Im not taking anything away from him, but Im not handing him sole credit either.

I am missing the part of your link that disputes that he is a good coach.

Look at the ATL progression.

Woodson was fine. NO complaints. Great guy. Did not get a head gig until Indy called him back to college.
Good for him, thats a great job BTW. He did great with a top of career Melo and a HOF retiring cast.
It was a fun season. But it ended and he was given no PG and Bargs. It was not his fault. He coached with what he had.

Agree 110! Replacing Woody and Grunwald with Phil Jackson and Fisher/Hornecek was one of the worst decisions this franchise has made! That regime deserved at least one more season, even though the Bargnani trade was awful.

ESOMKnicks wrote:There are no reasons to believe that this team is more talented than its record this season suggests. I doubt another coach could achieve more with this team. The players need to step up and develop for the team to improve. It is still possible, seeing that we are one of the younger teams in the league. But it will require stability and consistency. Knee-jerk sideways trades or firing the coach would mess with stability and consistency and should be avoided right now.

Unless we want to dismantle it all and tank for Victor. But then: to how many false starts and resets would this amount in the last three decades?

Who is Victor? Lol. We all have a better chance of winning Powerball.

A good coach for me is one that players play hard for. One that players want to play for.
A coach that is not afraid to make adjustments throughout the season. Thibs is that.
Several other factors have impacted the team that are not named Thibs.
Grimes seems to make a difference on defense. He just got back.
MR getting hurt.
RJ having a poor start made a difference.
Guys not hitting shots made a difference.
Guys needing to get use to their new roles and playing together.
Pretty sure FO sees adjustments that need to be made.
Mostly three point shooting.
Feel if IQ, Cam, Grimes, RJ don't get it going, they will make a move to bring in some shooting help at the wing position.