Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:I think i would like to move on from DRose, try to trade him maybe the FO can find a good return. At this point i would rather take a chance on Tyus Jones. Let him and IQ fight it out for the starting role. jones can give stability to the PG rotation. The knicks actually have an overload of young PGs, its on Johnny Bryant now to develop these PGs, im hoping Deuce can be the knicks version of Marcus smart. A trio of Jones IQ and Deuce looks alot better that this year's rotation of Burk, IQ, walker, and DRose.

IMHO there is zero chance Tyus leaves Memphis.

In what scenario do you see him forcing his way to the Knicks? There is just no taking a chance on him.

Tyus is unrestricted, yes?
He can "tie us" down if we pay him? Yes?

Knicks will only have the MLE to pay him. Why would he leave Memphis to come to the Knicks for the MLE when he can get that from any team with the MLE? And why would Memphis let him go to another team by refusing to pay him just above the MLE?

True. And we just assume knicks cannot make any changes to free up space? Teams do it every year. its a waste of time to even look at some teams and predict what they can do.
But Your no incorrect.

Who is doing us all these favors to take bad contracts off our books? Only way that’s remotely possible is if we offer our first round pick plus Obi and/or IQ

We are better off just sticking with the current roster and adding a pg in draft and/or S&T for a mid level player like Brogdon or Dinwiddie

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:Is there a Chaucey Billups/Derek Harper type PG available out there anywhere?
Someone reliable that can control the game and set players up, and hit an occasional shot?

His name is IQ

Give him "The Keys!"

Kemet wrote:The Knicks would've had an above .500 season if coach Thibs would've put the rookie PG McBride in the game rotation back in the month of January, or February.
McBride's talent/skills are way above the G League tournament, plus he played well in lineups having Quickley, Obi, Taj or MitchRob.

Coach Thibs want a PG that could co-exist in a lineup having Randle & Barrett performance.
The Knicks had several PG that couldn't co-exist in a lineup having Randle and Barrett.
1) D.Smith Jr
2) Frank
3) Rivers
4) Payton
5) Kemba
And fans wondered why D.Rose wanted no part of being in the starter lineup having Randle & Barrett.

I don't think that list is about a problem of "co-existing", those guys are all deeply flawed.

Dennis Smith Jr is a fringe NBA journey man at this point. You could argue he'll have to fight for a truly back end of the bench slot from here on out.

Frank N is a limited defensive specialist at this point. He was never a true point guard and most of the time, it never appeared he gave a ****. David Robinson was really one of the first NBA superstars to just come out in the media and say lots of guys in the league, it's just a job to them, and some will just do the bare minimum not to get cut. Frank N could be a solid NBA starter if he cared. Maybe not an All Star point guard, but a legit middle class 3 And D wing.

Austin Rivers has his father's ego but Brian Scalabrine's talent threshold. Courtney Lee is really a great example of a player who knew exactly his limitations and never tried to be more than what he could practically give.

Elfrid Payton was a borderline useful bench guard forced into a starting role. His only real value besides defense was he was reliable enough for Thibs and Randle was clearly comfortable with him. I don't see that as completely a great thing ( i.e. Payton never challenged Randle to keep the ball moving)

Kemba Walker got here when he lost 4 steps and was totally broken. Father Time is undefeated and ****ed him up pretty good.

Knicks should just draft a guy or hope someone like McBride emerges. Overpaying just seems like a really bad move at this point.

As the Knicks work down the list of their point guard options, rival executives have pointed to Minnesota Timberwolves starter D'Angelo Russell as a potential lower-level trade target. New York's front office recently added former Minnesota president of basketball operations Gersson Rosas, who once chased Russell in free agency and later traded Andrew Wiggins to Golden State for the creative point guard.

The Knicks are not expected to make a run at Collin Sexton, sources said. The Cavaliers have interest in keeping him, but finding a salary figure that extends the combo guard's tenure in Cleveland may be tricky, especially after the Cavs' 2021-22 success and the team's growing cap figure. Indiana, Detroit and Washington have all been mentioned as early potential landing spots for Sexton.

The Pistons, sources told B/R, are expected to use their cap space to acquire one impact player in the frontcourt and backcourt. While Brunson and Sexton are known as guards of real interest to fill that backcourt slot, Detroit is said to have an eye on Knicks center Mitchell Robinson, in addition to Phoenix Suns restricted free-agent big man Deandre Ayton.

fwk00 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037274-latest-nba-offseason-intel-does-og-anunoby-want-out-of-toronto

As the Knicks work down the list of their point guard options, rival executives have pointed to Minnesota Timberwolves starter D'Angelo Russell as a potential lower-level trade target. New York's front office recently added former Minnesota president of basketball operations Gersson Rosas, who once chased Russell in free agency and later traded Andrew Wiggins to Golden State for the creative point guard.

The Knicks are not expected to make a run at Collin Sexton, sources said. The Cavaliers have interest in keeping him, but finding a salary figure that extends the combo guard's tenure in Cleveland may be tricky, especially after the Cavs' 2021-22 success and the team's growing cap figure. Indiana, Detroit and Washington have all been mentioned as early potential landing spots for Sexton.

The Pistons, sources told B/R, are expected to use their cap space to acquire one impact player in the frontcourt and backcourt. While Brunson and Sexton are known as guards of real interest to fill that backcourt slot, Detroit is said to have an eye on Knicks center Mitchell Robinson, in addition to Phoenix Suns restricted free-agent big man Deandre Ayton.

A JLo deal is a perfect storm for the Knicks.

JLo is expiring - he has the same need to win that Thibs has. Not perfect but... Minny might take a vet or two and a future first. The so-called Knicks core remains intact more or less.

I think this FO has a better grip on perception vs reality.
The perception is that DLo seems like he would be better than Burks, IQ or Deuce. The reality is that he has yet to prove that he is. To give up assets when other FA's and Draft pick possibilities may be available seems like a mistake. This FO will come to same conclusion. Think the FO has been consistent. They will not be afraid to make a move for a true difference maker. Don't think DLo is that.

Jimbo5 wrote:the FO is not showing interest in trading for Sexton. Tyus Jones and D'Lo might still be in play.

I hope the FO does not go for Sexton. Just because the guy is 6'1" does not make him a point guard.

Tyus Jones does not strike me as the starting PG on a championship contender.

D'Lo is an intriguing possibility, as long as we do not need to trade away our entire future for him. But I thought he is pretty core to what Minny wants to build.

In the absence of an obvious PG target, I would rather see the Knicks give IQ the chance to start in the backcourt.

fwk00 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037274-latest-nba-offseason-intel-does-og-anunoby-want-out-of-toronto

As the Knicks work down the list of their point guard options, rival executives have pointed to Minnesota Timberwolves starter D'Angelo Russell as a potential lower-level trade target. New York's front office recently added former Minnesota president of basketball operations Gersson Rosas, who once chased Russell in free agency and later traded Andrew Wiggins to Golden State for the creative point guard.

The Knicks are not expected to make a run at Collin Sexton, sources said. The Cavaliers have interest in keeping him, but finding a salary figure that extends the combo guard's tenure in Cleveland may be tricky, especially after the Cavs' 2021-22 success and the team's growing cap figure. Indiana, Detroit and Washington have all been mentioned as early potential landing spots for Sexton.

The Pistons, sources told B/R, are expected to use their cap space to acquire one impact player in the frontcourt and backcourt. While Brunson and Sexton are known as guards of real interest to fill that backcourt slot, Detroit is said to have an eye on Knicks center Mitchell Robinson, in addition to Phoenix Suns restricted free-agent big man Deandre Ayton.

A JLo deal is a perfect storm for the Knicks.

JLo is expiring - he has the same need to win that Thibs has. Not perfect but... Minny might take a vet or two and a future first. The so-called Knicks core remains intact more or less.

I bet JLo is a beast in the low post!

Jimbo5 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:the FO is not showing interest in trading for Sexton. Tyus Jones and D'Lo might still be in play.

I hope the FO does not go for Sexton. Just because the guy is 6'1" does not make him a point guard.

Tyus Jones does not strike me as the starting PG on a championship contender.

D'Lo is an intriguing possibility, as long as we do not need to trade away our entire future for him. But I thought he is pretty core to what Minny wants to build.

In the absence of an obvious PG target, I would rather see the Knicks give IQ the chance to start in the backcourt.

I think i need to see a new face at the PG slot next year, not necessarily a starting PG. i just want to force Thibs' hand not to play Burks at the starting PG position. I am not against IQ getting a shot at starting. Im just worried if there is no other new pg option if IQ hits a shooting slump the knicks are back to depending on Burks to steer the team.

If you don't want Thibodeau to play Burks, you either trade Burks or fire Thibodeau. I dunno about this whole forcing the coach's hand business. If you hire a decorated high profile coach, pay him $8 million a year, you gotta be in a position to trust him with lineup decisions. And make player personnel and trade moves with his active participation. And if you do not like your coach's substitution patterns or do not share his views on the team roster, you fire him. Anything else is just flapdoodlery.

If IQ hits a shooting slump, you also have a (hopefully) healthy D. Rose and a promising McBride. I just don't think largely lateral trades or signings for mid-level point guards are really worth it.

Nalod wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:Nalod- great post.

I'm 100% with you. If we can get a difference maker than it's worth it to cash in our chips.
The thing that impresses me about that Holiday trade was that NOP didn't get even close to equal value for him. It's worked out for them but I think it's been?more luck than smart management. That team really struggled for the first half of the season.

News from Utah is that they will try to move their guys around Mitchell and Rudy. Conley is a guy I would take a long look at. If Knicks go forward with IQ and Rose off the bench, Conley could bring a lot of stability to the team and might be available.

Conceptually Conley is a good idea but he was awful this year. His defense was a liability. He was part of their problem. With Drose here (for now), and Kemba, adding him might be a bit much?

Mike Conley is going down the wrong path.

You'll find in life, the wrong path is sometimes about two inches from the right path.

SergioNYK wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037274-latest-nba-offseason-intel-does-og-anunoby-want-out-of-toronto

As the Knicks work down the list of their point guard options, rival executives have pointed to Minnesota Timberwolves starter D'Angelo Russell as a potential lower-level trade target. New York's front office recently added former Minnesota president of basketball operations Gersson Rosas, who once chased Russell in free agency and later traded Andrew Wiggins to Golden State for the creative point guard.

The Knicks are not expected to make a run at Collin Sexton, sources said. The Cavaliers have interest in keeping him, but finding a salary figure that extends the combo guard's tenure in Cleveland may be tricky, especially after the Cavs' 2021-22 success and the team's growing cap figure. Indiana, Detroit and Washington have all been mentioned as early potential landing spots for Sexton.

The Pistons, sources told B/R, are expected to use their cap space to acquire one impact player in the frontcourt and backcourt. While Brunson and Sexton are known as guards of real interest to fill that backcourt slot, Detroit is said to have an eye on Knicks center Mitchell Robinson, in addition to Phoenix Suns restricted free-agent big man Deandre Ayton.

A JLo deal is a perfect storm for the Knicks.

JLo is expiring - he has the same need to win that Thibs has. Not perfect but... Minny might take a vet or two and a future first. The so-called Knicks core remains intact more or less.

I bet JLo is a beast in the low post!