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As a person who really wanted Lonzo I can still pivot and also be happy with the direction we went. Both Kemba and Rose have some injury concerns but guess what? We have IQ, McBride and Luca to cover that. My only concern now is our center position. If we have 2 injuries to bigs like last year and Sims is not ready to fill in we might have problems. Taj did fill in during that period very well so it might not be that big of an issue.

I'd kinda rather have Lonzo Ball instead of Rose & Walker. Ball is 23 and will be peak in his next couple years.

Walker/Rose, we need to pray they stay healthy and don't slow down too much.

I agree (in part) regarding Lonzo. He is young and healthy, plays great defense (huge upgrade here over Rose and Kemba) and has a very good 3pt shot.
The problem is he is not a penetrator and if he came here, he would act as a 2 most likely, though a great distributing 2.
As far as money goes, perhaps management didn't see Lonzo as a good use of funds (at the 2). At the 1 sure, but he isn't what Thibs wants there.

Philc1 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:Kemba Walker is an Atlanta nightmare and a Trae Young killer.

Trae Young is 1-4 All-Time against Kemba Walker head to head.

Kemba went 3-1 against Trae Young as a Charlotte PG and 1-1 against Trae Young as a Boston PG.

Kemba Walker is 4-1 All-Time (.800%) vs. Trae Young.

Trae Young can not guard Kemba Walker and Trae Young can't beat KEMBA WALKER either.

(We're much better than Atlanta with both of Kemba Walker and Mitchell Robinson @ PG/Center).

Good point

Makes me like this move even more

Couple this with clampdowns (hopefully) on douchery, and games vs the Hawks may look very different next season.

HOF19 wrote:I am a much more knowledgeable football fan than NBA fan so please excuse this Question . >>>>>> When is it official that he cleared waivers ?

Whenver Woj says something, its just a matter of time before all the details come out

Thunder general manager Sam Presti and Walker's agents with Excel Sports Management, Jeff Schwartz and Javon Phillips, worked to come to an agreement on a buyout of the two years and $74 million remaining on Walker's contract. He can now slide into New York's roughly $10 million in remaining salary-cap space, per ESPN's Bobby Marks.

My guess is that the buy out is less whatever the Knicks will pay him， ergo the higher than normal salary for Kemba.

fishmike wrote:

VDesai wrote:Yeah Kemba and Rose both need to be limited to 25-30 mins, but this gives us the ability to potentially always have a guard who can penetrate out there with Randle. Lots of pressure on Rose as the only other guy who can get his own bucket or pressure the D when Randle isn't going well. Now with Walker you have another guy who can get his own shot and get to the paint (on top of also adding Fournier).

It also gives you GREAT closing end of game options. He's a fantastic closer. It will really help our late game sets having a clutch scorer on the floor who can handle and get his own shot off.

Kemba is going to be a real impact player for us most night. Knicks are really looking deep at PG now with Kemba/Rose/Luca/McBride

Also this lets us run Rose with that 2nd unit

I think the biggest thing it gives us is 48 high quality minutes.. which allows us to let Rose lead the second unit as you say.. which then makes it hard to pull someone like Trae Young for his scheduled breather. It is going to be tough to let your star get his breath with Randle and RJ playing their minutes, and us ramming high quality PG lay down the opposition's throats

Philc1 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:WTF? When I toyed with trade scenarios around him a couple of months ago, people told me he was trash. And convincingly so. What's changed?

That same cheseburger you grab from a fastfood joint looks a whole lot better off the dollar menu than it does from Gordon Ramsey's restaurant for $20.

If it is the exact same cheeseburger that was about to be served at Gordon Ramsey, but is now being re-heated and served a week later? There is a reason why Kemba costs three times less now. If he is half of what he used to be, is he that much better than Elf? Halve Kemba's stats from the last couple of years and you get Elf's stats. With better shooting, but worse defense.

Anyway, Kemba is probably the best addition out of all the options we have had this off-season. Though I would have still liked for us to take a flyer on Dipo for cheap.

Complains about Kemba having injury concerns and yet still wants to take a flier on Dipo for cheap.

Bro, hypocrisy is thy name.

Bro, do not pin your reading comprehension issues on me. Both Kemba and Dipo are injury concerns, I just feel that there is a bigger upside in a fully recovered Dipo than Kemba if the price is the same.

Oladipo is nowhere near what he was a few years ago for the pacers. I;d rather have Fournier and Burks

Yes neither is Kemba but at least he plays PG.

How is Kemba Walker not what he once was a few years ago?

He's even better.

He's made the All-Star 4 out of the previous 5 years man 2016-2017-2018-2019

(and also just averaged 19.3 Points, 4.9 Assists, 4.0 Rebounds and 1.1 Steals per game just last year of 2020 and even lit up Atlanta a new one).

dodger78 wrote:I really do not get the hate some of the fans seem to have on the Knicks off-season so far!
You will always be able to discuss the final money of a contract and discuss if Noel is overpayed etc. but the overall strategy is spot on I think!

We kept most of the parts on a team that performed quite well during reg-season last year.
Noel and Gibson were key parts of our defensive identity - especially after Mitch went down! I will NOT overrate Noel vs the Hawks cause it was clear that he was physically hampered by injuries late in the series.
Rose and Burks were brilliant and have a great spot and role on the team!

With those resignings we did not hamper the potential development of our youth and we kept the chemistry and strucutre/roles on the team!

Now EF does provide a great upgrade in one dimension which has been a glaring issue in the Hawks series vs what Bullock was able to provide - with EF and a also a scoring threat like Kemba at the PG position Young would NOT have been able to hide on defense for 95% of his time on the court. Which he did in the series... we discussed wearing him down on D more for the full series... now in this roster set-up he would not be able to save his energy on D!
EF is constantly on the move and is a scoring threat everywhere and Kemba - well I know he is on the downswing but just 3 years ago he was a 25PPG scorer with great shooting percentages during a 82 games season!

So yup I am really happy with what the FO did this off-season... not everything is perfect but hey its really a good strategy they follow and I REALLY like that they are constantly showing us that they are able to be creative and will literally turn every stone for improvement without doing "crazy" stuff!

You also have some "wildcard" players, who, like IQ and Obi might improve significantly their second season, and two rookies, Grimes and Deuce, who might break into the lineup and earn some time, though my thinking is that we won't see much of them (especially McBride), unless we have an injury outbreak.

If everyone stays healthy (Always the biggest "if" for teams I follow), this is a good team, better than last year...even significantly better if Kemba can be 80-90% of what he once was, and Rose stays fresh.

The FO did an A-/B+ type job, IMO.

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VDesai wrote:Yeah Kemba and Rose both need to be limited to 25-30 mins, but this gives us the ability to potentially always have a guard who can penetrate out there with Randle. Lots of pressure on Rose as the only other guy who can get his own bucket or pressure the D when Randle isn't going well. Now with Walker you have another guy who can get his own shot and get to the paint (on top of also adding Fournier).

It also gives you GREAT closing end of game options. He's a fantastic closer. It will really help our late game sets having a clutch scorer on the floor who can handle and get his own shot off.

Kemba is going to be a real impact player for us most night. Knicks are really looking deep at PG now with Kemba/Rose/Luca/McBride

Also this lets us run Rose with that 2nd unit

I think the biggest thing it gives us is 48 high quality minutes.. which allows us to let Rose lead the second unit as you say.. which then makes it hard to pull someone like Trae Young for his scheduled breather. It is going to be tough to let your star get his breath with Randle and RJ playing their minutes, and us ramming high quality PG lay down the opposition's throats

Last year the better Rose got the more ELF faded. Dude just totally lost himself, was tweeting weird **** with a burner about how good he was... we all also know Thib's with his loyalty stuck with ELF too long and it hurt us.

Thibs loves aggressive PG play. One of the BEST things about this year will be watching the friendly competition for minutes between Rose and Kemba. Or maybe they essentially split it down the middle and both guys know they are looking at 25 minutes so they let it fly and go full speed every time up and down on both sides... exactly like you said. We are gonna have a motivated Kemba/Rose duo to throw at you every night. Tons of versatile shooters who play on both sides of the ball with RJ/EF/Jules/IQ/Burks/Obi and at the 5 you have elite rim protection with Mitch/Noel. That doesnt even factor in 4 guys we drafted.

gradyandrew wrote:
What's your deal man? We're getting him on the cheap. After all the speculation about trading for Sexton or signing Lowry， we got a former All Star for 8 million， who's a New York kid. Maybe the irrational pessimism works for you in other endeavors but it sounds like you'd rather be right than have the team hit a home run. I don't get it.

There is no deal. I agree that a heavily discounted Kemba has most likely been the best option for us this off-season. Not a super-team type of move, but I did not see better candidates. Certainly was not in favor of us throwing big $$$ at Lowry, CP3, Lonzo, Shroeder, Sexton et al.

NYKMentality wrote:Kemba Walker isn't as injury prone as some are making him out to be

Yes. Injuries happen in basketball (all sports) but he played in 43 games last year as the only season where he's recently missed a significant amount of games (29 games missed.

2019-2020 = 56 games played (16 games missed).

2018-2019 = 82 games played (0 games missed).

2017-2018 = 80 games played (2 games missed).

2016-2017 = 79 games played (3 games missed).

2015-2016 = 81 games played (1 game missed).

Throughout the previous 6 years he's only missed a combined 51 games which is an average of 8.5 games missed per year.

And if we were to remove 2020 and look at 2015-2019 throughout these 5 years he's only missed 23 games @ an average of only 4.6 games missed per season.

He's not as "injury prone" as some make him out to seem.

Yooooo I'm A+ fired up for Kemba Walker he led his 2019-2020 Boston Celtics to the #3 seed with a Boston team that was half as talented as our current NY squad.

Boston could not consistently win without him last year either while only going 14-15 without him and were AWFUL down the stretch without him only finishing 5-12 throughout their final 17 games without him.

We just landed a real deal difference making All-Star PG Knicks fans.

He's never been injury prone until recently. The concern is just his knee and if he can get back to the player he was before that re-occurring injury. To his advantage, he finally has a full off-season to make sure he's 100%.