EwingsGlass wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Clean wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Clean wrote:There is no violence. They are playing. It's like those pro wrestling shows.

I don't play with my kids like that. I'm with Briggs. Its not like a wrestling show cause that's not an adult wrestler. Didn't look like anyone was having fun either. Its disgusting.

Because you don't do something no one else is able to? I personally don't care for pro wrestling but I am not going to act like a lot of young boys don't do those wrestling moves while horsing around. I don't want to derail this thread but wanted to let the people who are worried about it know its not real.

Perfect example of why we should chat before passing judgement. Thanks for the context.

Honestly, when it comes to the well being of children, I don’t give a crap whether people think I am overreacting or being a prick or a stickler. The mere appearance of impropriety in the treatment of a child is enough for me to speak up.

So yeah. Even if it is a joke and a shortened version of a longer skit, those three seconds lack context sufficient for me to form the belief that that child is safe. For that reason, I think it is disgusting. I don’t like it.

PS - Your “because you don’t do something” argument is devoid of logic. It has nothing to do with whether I do something, I can form meaningful opinions on lots of things without doing it myself. Incest, beastiality and folk dancing all come mind quickly.

It’s context. I don’t stick my kids heads in the toilets either. This looks closer to them sticking a kids head in the toilet than some play wrestling game. I don’t want to watch that.

Welpee wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Clean wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Clean wrote:There is no violence. They are playing. It's like those pro wrestling shows.

I don't play with my kids like that. I'm with Briggs. Its not like a wrestling show cause that's not an adult wrestler. Didn't look like anyone was having fun either. Its disgusting.

Because you don't do something no one else is able to? I personally don't care for pro wrestling but I am not going to act like a lot of young boys don't do those wrestling moves while horsing around. I don't want to derail this thread but wanted to let the people who are worried about it know its not real.

Perfect example of why we should chat before passing judgement. Thanks for the context.

Honestly, when it comes to the well being of children, I don’t give a crap whether people think I am overreacting or being a prick or a stickler. The mere appearance of impropriety in the treatment of a child is enough for me to speak up.

So yeah. Even if it is a joke and a shortened version of a longer skit, those three seconds lack context sufficient for me to form the belief that that child is safe. For that reason, I think it is disgusting. I don’t like it.

PS - Your “because you don’t do something” argument is devoid of logic. It has nothing to do with whether I do something, I can form meaningful opinions on lots of things without doing it myself. Incest, beastiality and folk dancing all come mind quickly.

It’s context. I don’t stick my kids heads in the toilets either. This looks closer to them sticking a kids head in the toilet than some play wrestling game. I don’t want to watch that.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. My initial reaction was similar to yours until I received more context about the video. I honestly don't think its a big deal but again, you're entitled to your opinion. I guess we're now at a point where communication and information gathering is frowned upon.

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:I would take Ben in heartbeart. You guys who say he's trash obviously dont understand him or watch basketball.
But think about a starting line up of: IQ/RJ/Simmons/Julius/Mitch
Thats the best defensive team in the league and if IQ/RJ/Julius sustain their shooting you have good spacing.

Anyway its fart in the wind but Ben Simmons is absolutely an impact player. He's not a finisher but what he does gets you to there every time. There are not a lot of players good enough to do that. The only thing that would put the Knicks in the talks is their cap allows them more options than most other teams.

This sounds like a Frank Ntlikina type of argument. "He is so good on defense". He is SO smart". "He has so much potential". So what?? He has proven time and time again that he does not want to shoot. No way I am paying $40 Million for a guy that is afraid to shoot. In SEVEN GAMES he shot the ball 3 times in the fourth quarter!? F that. I'll take a good facilitator for 1/10th of his price and a guy that can hit an open shot. Said it over and over again, you got to have gamers to win. Enough with these guys that are afraid of the moment. What good are their so-called hidden values if they don't have the balls to show up??

you had me check out when you compared a 3x all star who's played well since day 1 to Frank. Simmons has done nothing but win since being in the NBA.

Also we are talking about buying low. Your post makes no sense in this context. I would prefer Booker or SGA myself, but he's neither on the menu or in the budget. You thought Dennis Smith JR was that kind of player. Maybe between the ears but on the court he's trash. We have 4 years of data that says Ben Simmons is not only a winning NBA player he's a very winning player in pretty much every stat or analytic you can come up with. If he didnt have dirt on his face right now he wouldnt be in the discussion.

Knicks are in a unique cap space situation. That and Simmon's terrible finish to the postseason put him in the discussion. Morey will gauge his value. I dont think he's the right guy to spend a ton of assets on, but if that is just cap space and a reasonable package then you look hard at that

You may want to read the post again. IN NO WAY would I compare an All-Star Role Player with a did-nothing role player. What I am saying is that the argument of "What someone can become" loses luster after 3 or 4 years of the same results. Simmons's true test has and will always be what he does in a big series or in big games. Especially when you have a guy like Embid around you. Not to mention Harris and Curry who both had a very good playoff series. That is why he was given 35 plus a year. He has yet to show he has the game that warrants taking up 40 million of your cap. He has disappeared in most playoff games. Absent in most 4th quarters. And has yet to impact the last few minutes of a big game. This is the reason why the rumors are starting and why we both feel Philly will start looking at what they can get for him in return. In terms of his ceiling. hard to conclude that he can reach the next level when it seems he lacks the work ethic to improve a simple foul shot.

You also continue to push the "Buy Low" counterpoint. What do you mean by that? Do you think Philly is giving away their All-Star for Knick scraps? I don't. So what's the point of acting like this is a realistic option? The real outcome is that, if he is moved, it will be for an overpriced return. Someone will definaely overpay for him. The question is why would any Knick fan want the Knicks to be the team that does.

With his personality and mindset, I'm not even sure a team can win big with him as their #3 guy. I think Simmons would thrive playing for a losing team like Sacramento where nobody cares and he would be free to focus on boosting his brand as a player without much pressure to win.

Nalod wrote:

Welpee wrote:If anyone is interested I suggest watching the Ben Simmons doc "One and done." I watched it for the first time and checking it out after what happened this weekend explained a lot to me. Dude is just a spoiled, pampered kid who never had to struggled for anything in his life. Everything was about Ben Simmons. Some of the issues he's dealing with now he showed signs of this at LSU. Ben Simmons is an extremely talented basketball player but he's pretty shallow between the ears and behind the rib cage.

With his personality and mindset, I'm not even sure a team can win big with him as their #3 guy. I think Simmons would thrive playing for a losing team like Sacramento where nobody cares and he would be free to focus on boosting his brand as a player without much pressure to win.

Good point and perhaps if it rests on his shoulders and “His team”, he has to learn to carry that weight.
But, at the end of the day he’ll soon be worth 100mm and if a money plan is in place he will have succeeded greatly in the game of life. Russ Westbrook will tell you a chip does not define his greatness. He has a point. Pampered and Spoiled yet can still play at the top 1% in the world at his profession as an allstar.
But no doubt he is not playing to his ability.

Unlikely they trade him until he s “fixed”. HE needs a mentor and the maturity to get it done. If his reputation is that of not working hard that will bleed out.

But when you think about it in hindsight, should anything that is happening to Simmons be a surprise? College hoops is the one sport where one guy can carry a squad to greatness. When Simmons arrived at LSU they went from a 22 win team that made the NCAAs to a 19 win team that missed the tournament and got blown out by 33 points in the 2nd round of the SEC tournament. There was criticism back then about him not wanting to take the big shot or take over in crunch time. Dude mentally checked during the 2nd semester at LSU, letting his team down while focusing on the NBA draft. He is just a guy who everything came relatively easy for him in life (according to his own brother) and I just don't think he has the fortitude to deal with difficult times. Who knows, maybe there a switch inside of him that someone can turn on and things can change, but I doubt it. Like you said, doing what he's doing he still better than 99% of the players in the league, so he's good with that. It's the fans who probably need to adjust their expectations of him.

And I will also say this, it's the players who don't win chips who are always the ones who say it's not that important...until they win one.

Welpee wrote:If anyone is interested I suggest watching the Ben Simmons doc "One and done." I watched it for the first time and checking it out after what happened this weekend explained a lot to me. Dude is just a spoiled, pampered kid who never had to struggled for anything in his life. Everything was about Ben Simmons. Some of the issues he's dealing with now he showed signs of this at LSU. Ben Simmons is an extremely talented basketball player but he's pretty shallow between the ears and behind the rib cage.

With his personality and mindset, I'm not even sure a team can win big with him as their #3 guy. I think Simmons would thrive playing for a losing team like Sacramento where nobody cares and he would be free to focus on boosting his brand as a player without much pressure to win.

So Simmons is going to the nets?

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Welpee wrote:If anyone is interested I suggest watching the Ben Simmons doc "One and done." I watched it for the first time and checking it out after what happened this weekend explained a lot to me. Dude is just a spoiled, pampered kid who never had to struggled for anything in his life. Everything was about Ben Simmons. Some of the issues he's dealing with now he showed signs of this at LSU. Ben Simmons is an extremely talented basketball player but he's pretty shallow between the ears and behind the rib cage.

With his personality and mindset, I'm not even sure a team can win big with him as their #3 guy. I think Simmons would thrive playing for a losing team like Sacramento where nobody cares and he would be free to focus on boosting his brand as a player without much pressure to win.

So Simmons is going to the nets?

One could only hope.

Simmons the point shaver

VDesai wrote:

djsunyc wrote:some really weird takes in this thread.

i think the hawks are awesome. and proving yet again that outside of having a top 5 nba player, you pick the offensive guy over the defensive guy 10 times out of 10.

sixers had 20+ point leads in 3 of their losses so it was more about not having a legit wing player/pg to help lead and close it out. outside of the jimmy butler year, they never had it.

in relation to this thread, knicks only really had a shot in 1 game. it was basically a sweep as the hawks had double digit leads in all the games. my guess is that if this battle tested hawks play the knicks now, they sweep with ease. there's no telling if randolph will be as good next year. i mean he was really really bad these playoffs and that has a bigger chance to carry over than his MIP stuff.

getting simmons and then having to pay randolph basically locks you into those 2 long term - doesn't really make sense unless you have a durant level guy on the wing. not really sure what fishmark is thinking. you need shooters/scorers that can play defense...not defensive guys that can't do sh t on offense.

lonzo ball ain't that guy either but it would be a knicks move to max him.

and there's shelf life to all of this. thibs isn't going to last long with his style of coaching and input to team building.

Lol its been so long since you watched the Knicks that you're still talking about Zach Randolph!

That about sums it up right

knicks1248 wrote:Are the Hawks really about to be Contenders over night

The same team we swept in the regular season that almost swept us in the post season.

They have been the underdog in every series they step into, on the road with FANS, and they are playing with some series swag

This is an example of how you build around a potential star, and that player becoming a star.

Young-22
Huerter-22
Collins-23
Hunter-23
Reddish-21(still a question mark)
Okongwu-20

And they’ve got very good vets around em
Bogi
Gallo
Lou
Capela

I think if Collins can learn to consistently create his own shot like Randle while continuing to improve his D he can eventually be that option in 2 years. We’ve got a pretty decent thing going ourselves with:

RJ-20
IQ-22
Mitch-23

Just need to continue to draft well.

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Are the Hawks really about to be Contenders over night

The same team we swept in the regular season that almost swept us in the post season.

They have been the underdog in every series they step into, on the road with FANS, and they are playing with some series swag

This is an example of how you build around a potential star, and that player becoming a star.

He was playing like this in college with below avg teammates
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/trae-young-1/gamelog/2018/

This is part of the reason I laughed when I hear fans use age as an excuse for young players struggling.

This kid looks like he did nothing but play ball since he could walk, a total gym rat and student of the game..