TPercy wrote:

technomaster wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Panos wrote:<snip>
That DSjr is only 3 spots down from RJ tells you everything you need to know about that list.

Yeah, that chart seems VERY bogus. What metric indicates Knox improved in any way, shape or form from his rookie year to his sophomore season?

If anyone wants to try to figure out how RAPTOR works... just by looking at the list, it seems like a lot of garbage to me. :p
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-our-raptor-metric-works/

I like RAPTOR. Its not perfect but it definitely does a lot to take some of the nuances of the game into account. Like any wins based metric, its important to use multiple( RAPTOR, WAR, VORP, WS48, LEBRON) to get a more accurate picture. I don't see how DSJ or Knox are that big of holes to the list. Knox and DSJ were still awful players per the metric but their weaknesses weren't as bad exposed(probably because they weren't playing as much).

Welpee wrote:

TPercy wrote:

technomaster wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Panos wrote:<snip>
That DSjr is only 3 spots down from RJ tells you everything you need to know about that list.

Yeah, that chart seems VERY bogus. What metric indicates Knox improved in any way, shape or form from his rookie year to his sophomore season?

If anyone wants to try to figure out how RAPTOR works... just by looking at the list, it seems like a lot of garbage to me. :p
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-our-raptor-metric-works/

I like RAPTOR. Its not perfect but it definitely does a lot to take some of the nuances of the game into account. Like any wins based metric, its important to use multiple( RAPTOR, WAR, VORP, WS48, LEBRON) to get a more accurate picture. I don't see how DSJ or Knox are that big of holes to the list. Knox and DSJ were still awful players per the metric but their weaknesses weren't as bad exposed(probably because they weren't playing as much).

Perfect example of why good old fashion watching people play still works in 2021.

Eye test is still more reliable but it dosen't hurt using both.

technomaster wrote:

martin wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/1375503251819335683

I think the significant blocker is age - and that the player had to start their rookie year as a 19 year old and squeeze 1 1/4 seasons of games before 21 AND have these averages: 15ppg/5rpg/2.5apg

Though if we really look at the numbers first 100 numbers, Lebron/Carmelo/Doncic actually surpassed these higher standards:
2100pts/600rbds/260asts
21ppg/6rpg/2.6apg

Lebron/Doncic actually averaged more than twice the # of assists as Carmelo and Barrett:
2100pts/600rbds/600asts
21ppg/6rpg/6apg

And Doncic is the ONLY player in NBA history to have achieved these numbers over his first 100 games:
2100pts/800rbds/650asts
21ppg/8rpg/6.5apg

I do agree that it's fun to step back and realize how rare it is to have such a complete game as scorer/rebounder/playmakers at a young age. And of course, his future is quite tantalizing when you consider how those other players progressed in their careers in their early-mid 20s. (Lebron/Doncic/Carmelo became legit parts of the MVP discussion)

NERD ALERT

TPercy wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:He’s actually been on a bit of a shooting slump the past few games. Not a huge awful slump but Definitely something I hope he and the Knicks have noticed and are working on. Monday is a good time to break out of it.

That’s the best part in all this is he’s figuring out how to affect the game when his shot isn’t falling. Melo struggled with this and RJ is already getting a better grasp of it in year two. Man I hate putting pressure and unrealistic expectations on our young guys but I can’t help the feeling that he will be a borderline all star next year with another summer with Hanlen.

RJ is trending towards being an all star 25/8/5 type of guy who D's up your best scorer at age 24. Right around the time he's cashing big checks

fishmike wrote:https://nypost.com/2021/03/31/knicks-rj-barrett-proving-crazy-rookie-voters-they-blew-it/

And his defense is become a strength — ranked 13th in the NBA in defensive rating among players who’ve logged 30 minutes. Players he defends are shooting 42.9 percent.

Upon his return to Minnesota where he got a reputation for not relating well to younger players, Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau can take credit for Barrett’s increased defensive prowess.

RJ Barrett wrote:“He’s a great coach, Barrett said. “Great person overall. Very smart basketball mind. He’s also really funny. He knows the game and really challenges you. I really like Thibs. I really like Thibs a lot.”

OK this is IMPRESSIVE

Allanfan20 wrote:

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:https://nypost.com/2021/03/31/knicks-rj-barrett-proving-crazy-rookie-voters-they-blew-it/

And his defense is become a strength — ranked 13th in the NBA in defensive rating among players who’ve logged 30 minutes. Players he defends are shooting 42.9 percent.

Upon his return to Minnesota where he got a reputation for not relating well to younger players, Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau can take credit for Barrett’s increased defensive prowess.

RJ Barrett wrote:“He’s a great coach, Barrett said. “Great person overall. Very smart basketball mind. He’s also really funny. He knows the game and really challenges you. I really like Thibs. I really like Thibs a lot.”

OK this is IMPRESSIVE

I have caught Clyde saying “Barrett closed out to the shooter late” several times when he really wasn’t late at all. His defense has been really good. Obviously there were bad moments but everyone has bad moments on defense.