Chandler wrote:Minny isn’t getting rid of D.Lo and even if they were I wouldn’t want him. Way too inconsistent for the dollar

They have a problem having Beasley and Edward’s who is showing flashes. There will be griping there soon for sure. But beasley strikes me as a head case and his history in Denver suggests he does not buy into team ball. So no thanks to him

Maybe a minor deal for Rubio but would they be so stupid.

It’s not a roster I’m interested in

Perfect is the enemy of sufficient.

The griping in Minny has already started and ownership has taken notice by my reading.And as the old baseball saying goes, "I don't need [insert high-priced player's name] to lose."

I wholly understand where you are coming from but the Knicks discussions all center around "what if" scenarios concerning the usual suspects.

Why should the FO settle for whoever falls out of a frying pan? Why not target a player who is on a losing team that's losing its shirt during a pandemic when NBA teams are losing value?

DLo ain't perfect, granted but he's an upgrade that wouldn't break the bank - unlike Beal.

jrodmc wrote:Yeah, that's what we need. Rubio, a PG who can't shoot consistently. I'd rather push slightly hard for Beal, provided Washingdone doesn't want all our picks and anything more than Knox, DSJ and Frankie...

Beal won't come cheaply enough. There's a growing fan consensus that dealing for Beal would be a bad mistake.

Also, never, ever mention DSJ as a trade asset. He will get thrown in somewhere just to make dollars copacetic.

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Chandler wrote:Minny isn’t getting rid of D.Lo and even if they were I wouldn’t want him. Way too inconsistent for the dollar

They have a problem having Beasley and Edward’s who is showing flashes. There will be griping there soon for sure. But beasley strikes me as a head case and his history in Denver suggests he does not buy into team ball. So no thanks to him

Maybe a minor deal for Rubio but would they be so stupid.

It’s not a roster I’m interested in

Perfect is the enemy of sufficient.

The griping in Minny has already started and ownership has taken notice by my reading.And as the old baseball saying goes, "I don't need [insert high-priced player's name] to lose."

I wholly understand where you are coming from but the Knicks discussions all center around "what if" scenarios concerning the usual suspects.

Why should the FO settle for whoever falls out of a frying pan? Why not target a player who is on a losing team that's losing its shirt during a pandemic when NBA teams are losing value?

JLo ain't perfect, granted but he's an upgrade that wouldn't break the bank - unlike Beal.

I'm not as low on DLo as some here, but I have to ask who are you willing to give up? Frank, Knox, DSJ isn't getting it done. You're talking protected first-rounders? Quick and Obi? We're doing better than past years, but I wouldn't call us asset rich and DLo is going to cost assets. Honestly, is it worth it to still remain outside the top 5 in the playoff race?

From what I can garner just in exploring some of their scuttlebutt on the usual sports sites, they may be or have been for sale in what is at least temporarily a soft market. Second, they didn't want the expensive draft pick but have Anthony Edwards, Rubio, Dlo, Okogie, Culver, Beasley, Nowell, Hagans, and McLaughlin in that backcourt stew.

In the front-court, nothing but Towns and kids.

To me, and I'm purely speculating, Towns needs some help.

So start with Randle who is on the bubble as trade bait anyway.

So Randle and what? Knox and Bullock makes some sense They don't need Frankie but Noel might be an upgrade.

Culver is expensive and not playing well there. We take back some salary.

Now it comes down to a pick or two.Still doesn't deplete our assets like a Beal trade might.

fwk00 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Chandler wrote:Minny isn’t getting rid of D.Lo and even if they were I wouldn’t want him. Way too inconsistent for the dollar

They have a problem having Beasley and Edward’s who is showing flashes. There will be griping there soon for sure. But beasley strikes me as a head case and his history in Denver suggests he does not buy into team ball. So no thanks to him

Maybe a minor deal for Rubio but would they be so stupid.

It’s not a roster I’m interested in

Perfect is the enemy of sufficient.

The griping in Minny has already started and ownership has taken notice by my reading.And as the old baseball saying goes, "I don't need [insert high-priced player's name] to lose."

I wholly understand where you are coming from but the Knicks discussions all center around "what if" scenarios concerning the usual suspects.

Why should the FO settle for whoever falls out of a frying pan? Why not target a player who is on a losing team that's losing its shirt during a pandemic when NBA teams are losing value?

JLo ain't perfect, granted but he's an upgrade that wouldn't break the bank - unlike Beal.

I'm not as low on DLo as some here, but I have to ask who are you willing to give up? Frank, Knox, DSJ isn't getting it done. You're talking protected first-rounders? Quick and Obi? We're doing better than past years, but I wouldn't call us asset rich and DLo is going to cost assets. Honestly, is it worth it to still remain outside the top 5 in the playoff race?

From what I can garner just in exploring some of their scuttlebutt on the usual sports sites, they may be or have been for sale in what is at least temporarily a soft market. Second, they didn't want the expensive draft pick but have Anthony Edwards, Rubio, Jlo, Okogie, Culver, Beasley, Nowell, Hagans, and McLaughlin in that backcourt stew.

In the front-court, nothing but Towns and kids.

To me, and I'm purely speculating, Towns needs some help.

So start with Randle who is on the bubble as trade bait anyway.

So Randle and what? Knox and Bullock makes some sense They don't need Frankie but Noel might be an upgrade.

Culver is expensive and not playing well there. We take back some salary.

Now it comes down to a pick or two.Still doesn't deplete our assets like a Beal trade might.

Randle is playing better right now and is much cheaper. The idea of replacing Russell with Randle makes me want to say no now. Plus, they brought in Russell because of Towns. I'm not overtly against the idea of trading Randle, Russell doesn't move the needle and he clogs up cap.

martin wrote:Who is this JLo you guys keep typing and can she sing?

Corrected. Thanks. My brain fart.

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

martin wrote:Who is this JLo you guys keep typing and can she sing?

D'Lo.

Corrected. Thanks. My brain fart.

Booty on the mind? Subconscious slip regarding DLo's game hahahaha We know who you meant. Maybe Jlo and ARod try to buy the Knicks?

I saw that Jessica Alba thread from 2000 come up again and lost it.

I just turned 69 and its been a long, long road with these Knicks. It begins to blur.

fwk00 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

martin wrote:Who is this JLo you guys keep typing and can she sing?

D'Lo.

Corrected. Thanks. My brain fart.

Booty on the mind? Subconscious slip regarding DLo's game hahahaha We know who you meant. Maybe Jlo and ARod try to buy the Knicks?

I saw that Jessica Alba thread from 2000 come up again and lost it.

I just turned 69 and its been a long, long road with these Knicks. It begins to blur.

Yeah, that Alba clip made some emotions I thought were buried resurface. I might watch some "Idle Hands" before I go to sleep tonight

EwingsGlass wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Yeah, that's what we need. Rubio, a PG who can't shoot consistently. I'd rather push slightly hard for Beal, provided Washingdone doesn't want all our picks and anything more than Knox, DSJ and Frankie...

Beal won't come cheaply enough. There's a growing fan consensus that dealing for Beal would be a bad mistake.

Also, never, ever mention DSJ as a trade asset. He will get thrown in somewhere just to make dollars copacetic.

I wouldn't really want to give up our pick this year for Beal - I'd like to be in the Cade sweepstakes. But I'd be ok with a decent package for him.

I'm also ok letting it go and just building naturally together with some potential free agent acquisitions. Really, I hope they bring in a solid 3&D SF.

The problem is that there are no credible free agents on the radar to speak of.

There is a healthy debate on Beal that is leaning toward him being a bad fit for the circumstances. Washington ain't winning - what changes here?

And the cost will be eye-watering.

Building naturally? Dunno.

IMO, a D'Lo or similar acquisition gives lineups like D'Lo/Q, Burks/Frankie, Barrett/?, Obie/?, and Mitch/? with whoever is not traded filling in the ? marks. We have four draft picks coming up so...

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Chandler wrote:Minny isn’t getting rid of D.Lo and even if they were I wouldn’t want him. Way too inconsistent for the dollar

They have a problem having Beasley and Edward’s who is showing flashes. There will be griping there soon for sure. But beasley strikes me as a head case and his history in Denver suggests he does not buy into team ball. So no thanks to him

Maybe a minor deal for Rubio but would they be so stupid.

It’s not a roster I’m interested in

Perfect is the enemy of sufficient.

The griping in Minny has already started and ownership has taken notice by my reading.And as the old baseball saying goes, "I don't need [insert high-priced player's name] to lose."

I wholly understand where you are coming from but the Knicks discussions all center around "what if" scenarios concerning the usual suspects.

Why should the FO settle for whoever falls out of a frying pan? Why not target a player who is on a losing team that's losing its shirt during a pandemic when NBA teams are losing value?

JLo ain't perfect, granted but he's an upgrade that wouldn't break the bank - unlike Beal.

I'm not as low on DLo as some here, but I have to ask who are you willing to give up? Frank, Knox, DSJ isn't getting it done. You're talking protected first-rounders? Quick and Obi? We're doing better than past years, but I wouldn't call us asset rich and DLo is going to cost assets. Honestly, is it worth it to still remain outside the top 5 in the playoff race?

From what I can garner just in exploring some of their scuttlebutt on the usual sports sites, they may be or have been for sale in what is at least temporarily a soft market. Second, they didn't want the expensive draft pick but have Anthony Edwards, Rubio, Jlo, Okogie, Culver, Beasley, Nowell, Hagans, and McLaughlin in that backcourt stew.

In the front-court, nothing but Towns and kids.

To me, and I'm purely speculating, Towns needs some help.

So start with Randle who is on the bubble as trade bait anyway.

So Randle and what? Knox and Bullock makes some sense They don't need Frankie but Noel might be an upgrade.

Culver is expensive and not playing well there. We take back some salary.

Now it comes down to a pick or two.Still doesn't deplete our assets like a Beal trade might.

Randle is playing better right now and is much cheaper. The idea of replacing Russell with Randle makes me want to say no now. Plus, they brought in Russell because of Towns. I'm not overtly against the idea of trading Randle, Russell doesn't move the needle and he clogs up cap.

Randle playing point-forward has become one of the Knicks biggest reasons for going on so many long losing-streaks. And new coach Thibs 7 or 8 man rotation with raw players hasn't help much.
Trading Randle/Noel and Dallas pick for Towns would be a great move for the Knicks.

Kemet wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Chandler wrote:Minny isn’t getting rid of D.Lo and even if they were I wouldn’t want him. Way too inconsistent for the dollar

They have a problem having Beasley and Edward’s who is showing flashes. There will be griping there soon for sure. But beasley strikes me as a head case and his history in Denver suggests he does not buy into team ball. So no thanks to him

Maybe a minor deal for Rubio but would they be so stupid.

It’s not a roster I’m interested in

Perfect is the enemy of sufficient.

The griping in Minny has already started and ownership has taken notice by my reading.And as the old baseball saying goes, "I don't need [insert high-priced player's name] to lose."

I wholly understand where you are coming from but the Knicks discussions all center around "what if" scenarios concerning the usual suspects.

Why should the FO settle for whoever falls out of a frying pan? Why not target a player who is on a losing team that's losing its shirt during a pandemic when NBA teams are losing value?

JLo ain't perfect, granted but he's an upgrade that wouldn't break the bank - unlike Beal.

I'm not as low on DLo as some here, but I have to ask who are you willing to give up? Frank, Knox, DSJ isn't getting it done. You're talking protected first-rounders? Quick and Obi? We're doing better than past years, but I wouldn't call us asset rich and DLo is going to cost assets. Honestly, is it worth it to still remain outside the top 5 in the playoff race?

From what I can garner just in exploring some of their scuttlebutt on the usual sports sites, they may be or have been for sale in what is at least temporarily a soft market. Second, they didn't want the expensive draft pick but have Anthony Edwards, Rubio, Jlo, Okogie, Culver, Beasley, Nowell, Hagans, and McLaughlin in that backcourt stew.

In the front-court, nothing but Towns and kids.

To me, and I'm purely speculating, Towns needs some help.

So start with Randle who is on the bubble as trade bait anyway.

So Randle and what? Knox and Bullock makes some sense They don't need Frankie but Noel might be an upgrade.

Culver is expensive and not playing well there. We take back some salary.

Now it comes down to a pick or two.Still doesn't deplete our assets like a Beal trade might.

Randle is playing better right now and is much cheaper. The idea of replacing Russell with Randle makes me want to say no now. Plus, they brought in Russell because of Towns. I'm not overtly against the idea of trading Randle, Russell doesn't move the needle and he clogs up cap.

Randle playing point-forward has become one of the Knicks biggest reasons for going on so many long losing-streaks. And new coach Thibs 7 or 8 man rotation with raw players hasn't help much.
Trading Randle/Noel and Dallas pick for Towns would be a great move for the Knicks.

Towns is a whole other dimension of discussion - not happening. If they want to sell the team, Towns is the copper plumbing.

More interestingly, I think if we were to trade one of our two first rounders this year, I would trade ours and keep the Dallas pick. Dallas is melting down.

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Yeah, that's what we need. Rubio, a PG who can't shoot consistently. I'd rather push slightly hard for Beal, provided Washingdone doesn't want all our picks and anything more than Knox, DSJ and Frankie...

Beal won't come cheaply enough. There's a growing fan consensus that dealing for Beal would be a bad mistake.

Also, never, ever mention DSJ as a trade asset. He will get thrown in somewhere just to make dollars copacetic.

I wouldn't really want to give up our pick this year for Beal - I'd like to be in the Cade sweepstakes. But I'd be ok with a decent package for him.

I'm also ok letting it go and just building naturally together with some potential free agent acquisitions. Really, I hope they bring in a solid 3&D SF.

The problem is that there are no credible free agents on the radar to speak of.

There is a healthy debate on Beal that is leaning toward him being a bad fit for the circumstances. Washington ain't winning - what changes here?

And the cost will be eye-watering.

Building naturally? Dunno.

IMO, a D'Lo or similar acquisition gives lineups like D'Lo/Q, Burks/Frankie, Barrett/?, Obie/?, and Mitch/? with whoever is not traded filling in the ? marks. We have four draft picks coming up so...

I understand where you're coming from. I just don't see DLo as even a lateral move. He's an upgrade as a two-guard, but he doesn't really penetrate or score at the rim. And his defense is awful. And his cap hit is bad. I think this team can find cheaper alternatives that may not be as talented, but could provide a better fit.

The near eternal problem the Knicks have is that the Knicks are as hated in the NBA as the Yankees are in MLB without any of the upside.

Like the classic Peanuts comic, Lucy keeps moving the football before we get a chance at it.

The team FO's have traditionally used the Knicks (even before Dolan) as a dumping ground for bad contracts or bad characters.

The difference today is that all of the teams are bloated, overstuffed with eating their own dog food.

Nobody needs another expensive PG - nobody. Even Lonzo has no market (not that his hype machine isn't selling him hard).

So Minny has few choices. Keep paying D'Lo, Edwards, Rubio, et al OR cut bait on a losing season, develop Edwards and so on.

I'm not even arguing D'Lo is an ideal get. I'm just saying he's probably get-able and necessary.