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smackeddog
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11/21/2020  1:42 PM
Nalod wrote:Got damn CLT swoop in with a big stupid number!!!!!

I don't get where they got the cap space for this?
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Philc1
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11/21/2020  1:46 PM
$120 million for that?
djsunyc
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11/21/2020  1:48 PM
Philc1 wrote:$120 million for that?

they signed him to an offer sheet 6 years ago that utah matched so they obviously wanted him for a while.

with that said - why not? there's a premium tax for players to sign with the non-desireable locations. who else are they going to sign? they just lost kemba.
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11/21/2020  1:54 PM
djsunyc wrote:
Philc1 wrote:$120 million for that?

they signed him to an offer sheet 6 years ago that utah matched so they obviously wanted him for a while.

with that said - why not? there's a premium tax for players to sign with the non-desireable locations. who else are they going to sign? they just lost kemba.

He’s 30 and will be 34 by the end of the deal. Already has an injury history
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11/21/2020  2:33 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30359329/gordon-hayward-reaches-four-year-120-million-deal-charlotte-hornets?platform=amp

Guess you were right Nalod!

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11/21/2020  2:46 PM
Nalod wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
TLover wrote:Would rather go for bogdanovic who is younger, cheaper & can do more than Hayward at the SF spot.

Yeah, we need to move on. Tired of these dudes trying to play us just to up their offers. If he wants Indiana so much, let them work out creative ways to eff their cap for the foreseeable future.

Yep, Glad we didn't really indulge that this year. Hayward and Bogdanovic can go **** themselves! We know they're going elsewhere

By all accounts we were under bidding for Haywood and not doing him any favors.
Its not stupid for his agent to create a market for him and get the best price. He wants to play in Indy, bless his heart! If he wants to be here and can find a number that makes him happy thats fine too. Knicks wanted 2-3 years. He wants 4. Knicks willing to pay him in those years. No need to hate him him or others.
When the time is right Leon will attract players. Until then he can’t ****block himself with long contracts.


KOC on his last ringer podcast said we where doing a favor to him and his agent to help Gordon create leverage. I can see that. Small things like that add up overtime. The main thing here is that Celtic get screwed.
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11/21/2020  2:57 PM
After our experience with Amare and Kp, I am very nervous to commit big money to injury prone players. Frankly I would not even want Clay at this point.
One bad contract can screw your team for years...

I was not a fan of this pursuit as we would be thinking short with next years free agent class having a lot more to offer if you have the cap space...
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11/21/2020  3:32 PM
nyvector16 wrote:After our experience with Amare and Kp, I am very nervous to commit big money to injury prone players. Frankly I would not even want Clay at this point.
One bad contract can screw your team for years...

I was not a fan of this pursuit as we would be thinking short with next years free agent class having a lot more to offer if you have the cap space...

Everybody is injury prone who misses significant time?

Thats why we haven't signed kawhi, Kd, irving, pg13,or any star?

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11/21/2020  5:00 PM

he was very intriguing at the speculated numbers and term mentioned the other day. if we signed him for the Charlotee amount and that term we would have been mediocre for a long time

i've said it before. NBA cap means that for the most part everything is about value. you want more talent for your dollar. Most FAs -- almost by definition -- are fair market. not expensive, not bargains (Most, not all). SO the place you get value is either with rookies who out perform their contracts (which gets tougher and tougher when you draft 18 or 19 year olds), or max, supermax guys who are so elite that their talent is even higher than their max, supermax cap. That's it. CHasing a lot of FAs will not get you more talent for your cap dollar.

now unfortunately there is no indexing for cost of living, or for taxes, so NY as a general matter gets screwed on that front

they should also have an adjustment for how much you suck. Because as we've seen time and again (and it's just common sense), players would want to get a premium to play for a losing franchise. it sucks to lose, it also cuts into your marketability, and your next xontract. Everythig else being equal (including contract amount) most players will choose the team that's winning,

they also need to reform how to get out of bad contracts. Bad teams have to take riskier bets in FA (see CHarolotte and Hayward, or us with Noah). if that doesn't pan out they'll be that much worse. i don't know why the league has to punish the team for taking the risk. We should be more like the NFL where you can cut players if they're sucking ass. Worst case have some guaranteed money but don't have the cap albatross handicapping an already sucky team further (again see nOah, or Memphis with Chandler Parsons)

coaches, staff, etc don't count on cap, so hopefully the KNicks buy the state of the art on that

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11/21/2020  6:07 PM
Chandler wrote:
he was very intriguing at the speculated numbers and term mentioned the other day. if we signed him for the Charlotee amount and that term we would have been mediocre for a long time

i've said it before. NBA cap means that for the most part everything is about value. you want more talent for your dollar. Most FAs -- almost by definition -- are fair market. not expensive, not bargains (Most, not all). SO the place you get value is either with rookies who out perform their contracts (which gets tougher and tougher when you draft 18 or 19 year olds), or max, supermax guys who are so elite that their talent is even higher than their max, supermax cap. That's it. CHasing a lot of FAs will not get you more talent for your cap dollar.

now unfortunately there is no indexing for cost of living, or for taxes, so NY as a general matter gets screwed on that front

they should also have an adjustment for how much you suck. Because as we've seen time and again (and it's just common sense), players would want to get a premium to play for a losing franchise. it sucks to lose, it also cuts into your marketability, and your next xontract. Everythig else being equal (including contract amount) most players will choose the team that's winning,

they also need to reform how to get out of bad contracts. Bad teams have to take riskier bets in FA (see CHarolotte and Hayward, or us with Noah). if that doesn't pan out they'll be that much worse. i don't know why the league has to punish the team for taking the risk. We should be more like the NFL where you can cut players if they're sucking ass. Worst case have some guaranteed money but don't have the cap albatross handicapping an already sucky team further (again see nOah, or Memphis with Chandler Parsons)

coaches, staff, etc don't count on cap, so hopefully the KNicks buy the state of the art on that

Agreed. He was intriguing but tt would have been a mistake and a bad use of our cap space.

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11/21/2020  7:11 PM
Like Hayward

DONT like this deal 😒 attempt

If I'm knicks mgt I'd pass on this for
More secure option

Hayward is = Kristaps P version 2.0
Injuries in midst awaiting again to
Happen

Knicks history is not very good at these
Deals that look to good to be true but
Ain't.

Hayward isn't even near past his prime
He just aint the right man for NYK,
NOR is Hayward right to lure stars
Such as Russell Westbrook to the big apple
🍎

No nope Ain't happening & shouldn't
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11/21/2020  11:16 PM
Rumor was we were game for Haywood on a two year deal. That would be fine.
Hornets have their own agenda. Let them have at it.
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11/22/2020  9:03 AM
The Hornets just signed him to another Batum contract....I don’t think he has the chops to be the primary scorer...not at this stage...and Lamelo is not going to be that either....
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11/22/2020  9:24 AM
ekstarks94 wrote:The Hornets just signed him to another Batum contract....I don’t think he has the chops to be the primary scorer...not at this stage...and Lamelo is not going to be that either....

LaMelo looks like he could be a number one option, with seasoning. You're right though, they need more scoring in the meantime.
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11/22/2020  9:29 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:The Hornets just signed him to another Batum contract....I don’t think he has the chops to be the primary scorer...not at this stage...and Lamelo is not going to be that either....

LaMelo looks like he could be a number one option, with seasoning. You're right though, they need more scoring in the meantime.


I am not sold on Lamelo’s shot....it looks a little like Halliburton’s...if he struggles with this can consistently get into the paint and finish at the rim...jury is still out on that...
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11/25/2020  12:09 AM
Say what?!?!
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11/25/2020  3:52 AM
Nalod wrote:Rumor was we were game for Haywood on a two year deal. That would be fine.
Hornets have their own agenda. Let them have at it.

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11/25/2020  3:53 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:Say what?!?!

Thank God we dodged that bullet. Not be a good sign if Rose is making that type of offer for that player
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11/25/2020  3:54 AM
ekstarks94 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:The Hornets just signed him to another Batum contract....I don’t think he has the chops to be the primary scorer...not at this stage...and Lamelo is not going to be that either....

LaMelo looks like he could be a number one option, with seasoning. You're right though, they need more scoring in the meantime.


I am not sold on Lamelo’s shot....it looks a little like Halliburton’s...if he struggles with this can consistently get into the paint and finish at the rim...jury is still out on that...

LaMelo is a very good passer and that’s about. Another guy who can’t shoot and you have to deal with his attention whore father. Pass
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11/25/2020  8:33 AM
Philc1 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Say what?!?!

Thank God we dodged that bullet. Not be a good sign if Rose is making that type of offer for that player

I just don't understand why we'd be offering Haywood any kind of deal- maybe 1 year with team option? Absurd - over the hill athlete with brittle bones/tendons?

Why not sign Langston Galloway? Did we offer FVV a big deal? I'd rather have had FVV @ 4 years $120M vs. Haywood at 1 year $15M.
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