HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOn

If we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things

Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player

Nothing else needs to be said?

Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259800/Knicks-Would-Reportedly-Have-To-Include-Kevin-Knox-In-Potential-Chris-Paul-Trade?fbclid=IwAR0xfUzO11TcHAO8zp_XYczup94OV90bzkZfez5nmmHlpkQltO8wwdIIyNc

Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr

Can you be totally honest with me.

wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.

Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.

I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.

Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)

I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.

Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?

It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop

So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.

Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.

I agree and disagree.

RJ and MR have been working on their shooting and last year Payton favored Randle over RJ so we are basing some of our analysis on skewed data. Both of them will be better.

You are correct about CP3's impact - its a distraction from building chemistry.

That said, CP3 to NY seems like a deal done in the backrooms of the NBA.

OKC actually has assets. The NBA's problem is that CP3 is a poster boy that no one can afford gracefully with the exception of the Knicks (more or less). My guess is that we get knowingly and willingly mugged in the trade. It will begin the eventual process of dismissing this FO. A permanent thread on UK.

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOn

If we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things

Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player

Nothing else needs to be said?

Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259800/Knicks-Would-Reportedly-Have-To-Include-Kevin-Knox-In-Potential-Chris-Paul-Trade?fbclid=IwAR0xfUzO11TcHAO8zp_XYczup94OV90bzkZfez5nmmHlpkQltO8wwdIIyNc

Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr

Can you be totally honest with me.

wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.

Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.

I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.

Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)

I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.

Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?

It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop

So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.

Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.

Young mean young fringe players like Mudiay, THJ, Vonleh, DSJ, Frank, portis, Henzonja. Or are you thinking of trading with a team that are willing to trade their most promising players.

The knicks are not exactly a FA destination unless you love $$$ over winning, which has been the case with the knicks for a while now.

You want young players that have no real leadership on the roster (how's that been working so far)

You can take a chance on some 2nd or 3rd tier player who's coming off a great season in his contract yr (im sure you seen that movie before)

Even after hearing testimony from several young players and veterans confirming the impact CP has had on their development, and his stout Leadership, you continue to ignore every positive thing CP brings all because of his contract which will expires roughly 17 months after the season starts..

A chance to have one of the top 10 guards currently in the NBA (even at his age) is a bad move in your eyes because because his contract will prevent us from signing WHO?

CP3 has a bad reputation for personality. He may or may not attract others. But what would be the FA argument?

"I'm here collecting my last checks. Sign up! I won't be here long."

knicks1248 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOn

If we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things

Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player

Nothing else needs to be said?

Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259800/Knicks-Would-Reportedly-Have-To-Include-Kevin-Knox-In-Potential-Chris-Paul-Trade?fbclid=IwAR0xfUzO11TcHAO8zp_XYczup94OV90bzkZfez5nmmHlpkQltO8wwdIIyNc

Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr

Can you be totally honest with me.

wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.

Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.

I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.

Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)

I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.

Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?

It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop

So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.

Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.

Young mean young fringe players like Mudiay, THJ, Vonleh, DSJ, Frank, portis, Henzonja. Or are you thinking of trading with a team that are willing to trade their most promising players.

The knicks are not exactly a FA destination unless you love $$$ over winning, which has been the case with the knicks for a while now.

You want young players that have no real leadership on the roster (how's that been working so far)

You can take a chance on some 2nd or 3rd tier player who's coming off a great season in his contract yr (im sure you seen that movie before)

Even after hearing testimony from several young players and veterans confirming the impact CP has had on their development, and his stout Leadership, you continue to ignore every positive thing CP brings all because of his contract which will expires roughly 17 months after the season starts..

A chance to have one of the top 10 guards currently in the NBA (even at his age) is a bad move in your eyes because because his contract will prevent us from signing WHO?

CP3 has a bad reputation for personality. He may or may not attract others. But what would be the FA argument?

"I'm here collecting my last checks. Sign up! I won't be here long."

well can you give a realistic option instead of CP

A player thats putting up his #s, and playing at his level, has his leadership skills, has his resume, is well respected through out the league, from players to coaches, who fits Thibs style.

I want you to name a player in this league that a team would be willing to trade to us, that brings those qualities.

There isn’t one. An alternative would be a stopgap like Augustin who can shoot, run an offense, and has had success with thibs. Then next year signing mike Conley as an outright FA while drafting someone to develop behind him. That’s the closest alternative I see.

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOn

If we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things

Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player

Nothing else needs to be said?

Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259800/Knicks-Would-Reportedly-Have-To-Include-Kevin-Knox-In-Potential-Chris-Paul-Trade?fbclid=IwAR0xfUzO11TcHAO8zp_XYczup94OV90bzkZfez5nmmHlpkQltO8wwdIIyNc

Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr

Can you be totally honest with me.

wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.

Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.

I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.

Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)

I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.

Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?

It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop

So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.

Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.

Young mean young fringe players like Mudiay, THJ, Vonleh, DSJ, Frank, portis, Henzonja. Or are you thinking of trading with a team that are willing to trade their most promising players.

The knicks are not exactly a FA destination unless you love $$$ over winning, which has been the case with the knicks for a while now.

You want young players that have no real leadership on the roster (how's that been working so far)

You can take a chance on some 2nd or 3rd tier player who's coming off a great season in his contract yr (im sure you seen that movie before)

Even after hearing testimony from several young players and veterans confirming the impact CP has had on their development, and his stout Leadership, you continue to ignore every positive thing CP brings all because of his contract which will expires roughly 17 months after the season starts..

A chance to have one of the top 10 guards currently in the NBA (even at his age) is a bad move in your eyes because because his contract will prevent us from signing WHO?

Jmpasq wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOn

If we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things

Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player

Nothing else needs to be said?

Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259800/Knicks-Would-Reportedly-Have-To-Include-Kevin-Knox-In-Potential-Chris-Paul-Trade?fbclid=IwAR0xfUzO11TcHAO8zp_XYczup94OV90bzkZfez5nmmHlpkQltO8wwdIIyNc

Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr

Can you be totally honest with me.

wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.

Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.

I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.

Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)

I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.

Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?

It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop

So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.

Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.

Young mean young fringe players like Mudiay, THJ, Vonleh, DSJ, Frank, portis, Henzonja. Or are you thinking of trading with a team that are willing to trade their most promising players.

The knicks are not exactly a FA destination unless you love $$$ over winning, which has been the case with the knicks for a while now.

You want young players that have no real leadership on the roster (how's that been working so far)

You can take a chance on some 2nd or 3rd tier player who's coming off a great season in his contract yr (im sure you seen that movie before)

Even after hearing testimony from several young players and veterans confirming the impact CP has had on their development, and his stout Leadership, you continue to ignore every positive thing CP brings all because of his contract which will expires roughly 17 months after the season starts..

A chance to have one of the top 10 guards currently in the NBA (even at his age) is a bad move in your eyes because because his contract will prevent us from signing WHO?

I would trade for him too. Its worth it for the impact on the young players. We would have to find out if he is open to it first

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOn

If we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things

Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player

Nothing else needs to be said?

Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259800/Knicks-Would-Reportedly-Have-To-Include-Kevin-Knox-In-Potential-Chris-Paul-Trade?fbclid=IwAR0xfUzO11TcHAO8zp_XYczup94OV90bzkZfez5nmmHlpkQltO8wwdIIyNc

Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr

Can you be totally honest with me.

wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.

Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.

I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.

Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)

I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.

Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?

It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop

So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.

Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.

Disagree all you want Paul and a good pick at 8 like Vassell plus a stretch 4 like Bertans makes us a playoff team next year - if there is a year

Believe Paul and Melo would treat the team like it belonged to them. Like another version of KD and Kyrie, but older.

Then you factor in Thibs. He has his own ideas. Sounds like another backpage soap opera in the making. Im hoping Rose can do better than bringing in his aging clients, former clients. Thats when we'll know if Rose's background will really pay dividends. If he's going to go that route, Rose needs to think bigger.

knicks1248 wrote:Add melo to the mix, harrel from the clips, trade for buddy hield

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I always said melo was going to be the better team player in the latter years of his career

You did? when he went to OKC or when he when to the Rockets?
Or when he was the 3rd option on a good Blazer team?
Here the logic BTW: At his age he had to get into better shape. He did.
HE had to pinkie swear after his awful OKC and Rocket exertions to be a Blazer is had to be a “better team player, if not he gets the boot”. So basically your full of ****.

GustavBahler wrote:There is a story on the front page that guesses that Melo might be inclined to come back to NY if Paul is traded to NY. That sounds so classic Knicks. Believe someone once called it a "star-phuch".

Believe Paul and Melo would treat the team like it belonged to them. Like another version of KD and Kyrie, but older.

Then you factor in Thibs. He has his own ideas. Sounds like another backpage soap opera in the making. Im hoping Rose can do better than bringing in his aging clients, former clients. Thats when we'll know if Rose's background will really pay dividends. If he's going to go that route, Rose needs to think bigger.

Melo and Paul have only been talking about getting together in NYC for 10 years

Nalod wrote:Melo lost weight to gain quickness. As he has gotten older he has moved away from the rim and battering that inflicts on the body.
It has really helped him have a resurgent career. One that lasted about 50 games, then a 4 month layoff, then 8 games and one good round oof the playoffs. Good for him.
Why then suggest he’d be a good PF?
He was the 3rd option on a good team. One was a top 5 guard (Lillard) and a near allstar in Mcallaem. The team as it stands at this moment and given his offensive talent makes him the 1st option.
Maybe we change the make up of the team. Melo and Paul talked about playing together 10 years ago? That ship left the dock a long time ago. Melo should stay in Rip City, Off the bench in Denver, Lakers, Suns.......really go home in DC, and perhaps sign with the Nets.

Really the 4th option if you want to count Nurkic.