Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:The more I see of Devin Vassel, the more I think the Knicks should maneuver to get him -- whether by trading down or just taking him early. I like him a bit more than Nesmith. If Hallburton is off the board at 7, I am probably looking for Vassel.

I’m still keeping my eye on Cole Anthony. He was in a bad situation but has big potential and can really shoot it. High risk/reward pick.

I'm starting to prefer Tyrese Maxey over Cole, but I'm put off both due to the presence of RJ

Cole is a good enough shooter to be a fit with RJ.

That's a head scratcher. In his one year at the collegiate level, he was a below average shooter.

Small sample size, especially since he was injured. He was taking a lot of contested shots with zero spacing. He came into college with a rep as a good 3pt shooter. If you're judging him on his 20 games (many of which he was playing injured) than you will very much underrate him.

So I'm not judging him at all, I think you are by declaring he is good enough when we really don't know at all.

What if his shooting stats just continue to be poor? I get that his team sucked and there was no spacing but he also didn't elevate them, if it was at all possible.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:The more I see of Devin Vassel, the more I think the Knicks should maneuver to get him -- whether by trading down or just taking him early. I like him a bit more than Nesmith. If Hallburton is off the board at 7, I am probably looking for Vassel.

I’m still keeping my eye on Cole Anthony. He was in a bad situation but has big potential and can really shoot it. High risk/reward pick.

I'm starting to prefer Tyrese Maxey over Cole, but I'm put off both due to the presence of RJ

Cole is a good enough shooter to be a fit with RJ.

That's a head scratcher. In his one year at the collegiate level, he was a below average shooter.

Small sample size, especially since he was injured. He was taking a lot of contested shots with zero spacing. He came into college with a rep as a good 3pt shooter. If you're judging him on his 20 games (many of which he was playing injured) than you will very much underrate him.

So I'm not judging him at all, I think you are by declaring he is good enough when we really don't know at all.

What if his shooting stats just continue to be poor? I get that his team sucked and there was no spacing but he also didn't elevate them, if it was at all possible.

I get what you're saying. He had a good rep in high school for being a shooter. I am not sure of the exact stats. Basically he's not a dennis smith coming into college and then the league in terms of shooting, that is for sure.

Uptown wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:The more I see of Devin Vassel, the more I think the Knicks should maneuver to get him -- whether by trading down or just taking him early. I like him a bit more than Nesmith. If Hallburton is off the board at 7, I am probably looking for Vassel.

I’m still keeping my eye on Cole Anthony. He was in a bad situation but has big potential and can really shoot it. High risk/reward pick.

I'm starting to prefer Tyrese Maxey over Cole, but I'm put off both due to the presence of RJ

Cole is a good enough shooter to be a fit with RJ.

That's a head scratcher. In his one year at the collegiate level, he was a below average shooter.

Small sample size, especially since he was injured. He was taking a lot of contested shots with zero spacing. He came into college with a rep as a good 3pt shooter. If you're judging him on his 20 games (many of which he was playing injured) than you will very much underrate him.

So I'm not judging him at all, I think you are by declaring he is good enough when we really don't know at all.

What if his shooting stats just continue to be poor? I get that his team sucked and there was no spacing but he also didn't elevate them, if it was at all possible.

I get what you're saying. He had a good rep in high school for being a shooter. I am not sure of the exact stats. Basically he's not a dennis smith coming into college and then the league in terms of shooting, that is for sure.

Cole Anthony's game translates very well to the way the game is played today. A lead guard who can create offense for himself. His biggest weakness is he lacks an imagination when it comes to playmaking. He rarely passes-guys-open. I think he needs to be paired with another playmaker to really open up his game. I see no reason why he wont be a good player in this league.

Anthony has shown to be mentally tougher than DSJ...

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Uptown wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:The more I see of Devin Vassel, the more I think the Knicks should maneuver to get him -- whether by trading down or just taking him early. I like him a bit more than Nesmith. If Hallburton is off the board at 7, I am probably looking for Vassel.

I’m still keeping my eye on Cole Anthony. He was in a bad situation but has big potential and can really shoot it. High risk/reward pick.

I'm starting to prefer Tyrese Maxey over Cole, but I'm put off both due to the presence of RJ

Cole is a good enough shooter to be a fit with RJ.

That's a head scratcher. In his one year at the collegiate level, he was a below average shooter.

Small sample size, especially since he was injured. He was taking a lot of contested shots with zero spacing. He came into college with a rep as a good 3pt shooter. If you're judging him on his 20 games (many of which he was playing injured) than you will very much underrate him.

So I'm not judging him at all, I think you are by declaring he is good enough when we really don't know at all.

What if his shooting stats just continue to be poor? I get that his team sucked and there was no spacing but he also didn't elevate them, if it was at all possible.

I get what you're saying. He had a good rep in high school for being a shooter. I am not sure of the exact stats. Basically he's not a dennis smith coming into college and then the league in terms of shooting, that is for sure.

Cole Anthony's game translates very well to the way the game is played today. A lead guard who can create offense for himself. His biggest weakness is he lacks an imagination when it comes to playmaking. He rarely passes-guys-open. I think he needs to be paired with another playmaker to really open up his game. I see no reason why he wont be a good player in this league.

Anthony has shown to be mentally tougher than DSJ...

Cole Anthony does not really move the needle for me. That said, he didn't have an opportunity to really redeem himself. He was considered by many to be the top PG prospect coming into this season. So if we get boned in the draft, he would rate highly on my list simply because I don't think he got a chance to redeem himself, nor did UNC... and that's why he's fallen IMO, this was just an awful UNC team. I don't know how much of that is on Anthony.. could be none, could be all, but I feel outside of Edwards and Toppin and Ball, it is kinda a crap shoot, especially at PG with how many are availble

The thing is that most accounts out of high school were that he was a dead-eye shooter, can't miss prospect. Alas, to the NBA it is, won't complete his Jedi training, into the fray he'll go.

"Horrible season" - said dad.
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If the highest odds prevail and we land at 7 or 8, I would be happy if we picked Nesmith, even if somewhat of a reach.
If we land the top pick, I would be hyped about Edwards.
If we land somewhere in the middle, i.e. at 4 or 6, Haliburton would be very much welcome.
Ironically, my biggest worry are the #2 and #3 positions, as this means we might go for some wacky balls**t

Then again, my draft judgment has been terrible. Had it been up to me, we would have had a Mudiay-Malik Monk backcourt now, still with RJ (not much different from where we have actually ended up, but still).

smackeddog wrote:Honestly, RJ is an absolute nightmare to complement with this draft (let alone with a starting lineup including Mitch and/or Randle). I know you go for best player available, but very few of the picks would fit next to him.

So which players would actually fit well next to RJ and which wouldn't?

I'm guessing shooters like Vassell and Nesmith would, Tyrel Terry. probably Toppin, along with maybe Haliburton only if his 3pt shot translates (though that leaves your backcourt not very athletic).

Who wouldn't? Probably Ball, Edwards, Okoro (due to shooting). Maxey, Cole, Okongwu.

I love Maxey as one of my sleepers. I'm getting Donavan Mitchell vibes from him. Not saying he plays like him, but he may get drafted at the end of the lotto or just outside and 3 years from now, he will end up being one of the top 5 players from this draft. If we land the 7th or 8th pick, the Knicks should consider trading back a few picks and drafting Maxey.

smackeddog wrote:

Uptown wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Honestly, RJ is an absolute nightmare to complement with this draft (let alone with a starting lineup including Mitch and/or Randle). I know you go for best player available, but very few of the picks would fit next to him.

So which players would actually fit well next to RJ and which wouldn't?

I'm guessing shooters like Vassell and Nesmith would, Tyrel Terry. probably Toppin, along with maybe Haliburton only if his 3pt shot translates (though that leaves your backcourt not very athletic).

Who wouldn't? Probably Ball, Edwards, Okoro (due to shooting). Maxey, Cole, Okongwu.

I love Maxey as one of my sleepers. I'm getting Donavan Mitchell vibes from him. Not saying he plays like him, but he may get drafted at the end of the lotto or just outside and 3 years from now, he will end up being one of the top 5 players from this draft. If we land the 7th or 8th pick, I may consider trading back a few picks and drafting Maxey.

Me too- apparently he had some personal issues all season (his dad had a very serious health issue), so may have impacted his performance. We should get the inside scoop from KP, as to how good Maxey can be. I wish we could have 2 picks in the teens- would love to land Maxey and a Nesmith or Vassell or Okoro.

I like Vassell and Okoro as well, but I think Maxey has a little more upside than both of them especially on the offensive end. Maxey is alos one of the top defensive players in this draft.

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Uptown wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Honestly, RJ is an absolute nightmare to complement with this draft (let alone with a starting lineup including Mitch and/or Randle). I know you go for best player available, but very few of the picks would fit next to him.

So which players would actually fit well next to RJ and which wouldn't?

I'm guessing shooters like Vassell and Nesmith would, Tyrel Terry. probably Toppin, along with maybe Haliburton only if his 3pt shot translates (though that leaves your backcourt not very athletic).

Who wouldn't? Probably Ball, Edwards, Okoro (due to shooting). Maxey, Cole, Okongwu.

I love Maxey as one of my sleepers. I'm getting Donavan Mitchell vibes from him. Not saying he plays like him, but he may get drafted at the end of the lotto or just outside and 3 years from now, he will end up being one of the top 5 players from this draft. If we land the 7th or 8th pick, I may consider trading back a few picks and drafting Maxey.

Me too- apparently he had some personal issues all season (his dad had a very serious health issue), so may have impacted his performance. We should get the inside scoop from KP, as to how good Maxey can be. I wish we could have 2 picks in the teens- would love to land Maxey and a Nesmith or Vassell or Okoro.

Nesmith is an absolute no brainer compliment for Barrett. Great Nba body best shooter in draft. Barret is a slasher/ scorer Nesmith is a shooter/ scorer

Pick 25 we can look at a guy like Terry among others — but I think this particular draft we should increase our 3 point arsenal.

Maxey reminds me of Gilbert arenas

I'm warming to Vassell now too. Similar to Nesmith but not quite as great of a shooter (still a very good one) but a better athlete and defensive player. I think having a true 3&D guy would be so helpful next to Barrett. I think he's a safe Danny Green-level contributor, but maybe the right development can be more.