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8/5/2020  12:51 PM
ESOMKnicks wrote:Okay, this explains why the NYK wanted no part of Jax, and for good reason. But I find the parking spot story strange. I find it hard to believe that Jax had the ability to decide who parked where. Rather, it had to be administrative people within the GSW organization, outside of the coaching staff, which means the organization itself must have been downright Dolan-esque. And yet today they are held up as an epitome of exemplary culture. What gives?

smackeddog wrote:Part of me is morbidly curious to know what would have happened if we had signed Mark Jackson as coach- some of the GS stuff was just bizarre!


The tension with Erman got weird. Midseason, the team moved Erman's parking spot to a less convenient place, likely at the behest of Jackson or one of Jackson's allies on the staff, per multiple sources familiar with the matter. ...

It's impossible to imagine all this drama was happening within the Warriors and it was somehow everyone else's fault. Jackson was in the middle of it all.

Yes, truly weird. I’ve disliked some people I’ve worked with, but never to the extent I’d have their parking space moved out of spite AND that other people would help facilitate that rather than just tell me I was maybe being ridiculous!

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smackeddog wrote:Part of me is morbidly curious to know what would have happened if we had signed Mark Jackson as coach- some of the GS stuff was just bizarre!

The Warriors in the last six weeks demoted one assistant and fired another, and ESPN.com's Chris Broussard today reported that the team fired Darren Erman after learning Erman had recorded at least one coaches' meeting. Multiple league sources confirmed the gist of Broussard's report, and that Erman was concerned Mark Jackson and other coaches loyal to Jackson were insulting Erman to other players behind Erman's back.

The team had no choice but to fire Erman. However, the front office is fond of Erman and was upset at having to let him go, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter. The Erman firing and demotion of Brian Scalabrine have raised tensions throughout the Warriors' organization.

Jackson made a show of firing Scalabrine in front of players and other coaches, but he had no real grounds, and the front office made Jackson find a compromise, per a source familiar with the matter: demoting Scalabrine to the D-League. In addition, Jackson has asked that Jerry West, a high-level adviser in Golden State, not attend most practices and team activities, sources say.

The tension with Erman got weird. Midseason, the team moved Erman's parking spot to a less convenient place, likely at the behest of Jackson or one of Jackson's allies on the staff, per multiple sources familiar with the matter. They began changing his duties in strange ways. ... The atmosphere has bordered on poisonous."
It's impossible to imagine all this drama was happening within the Warriors and it was somehow everyone else's fault. Jackson was in the middle of it all. He clashed with certain players (hello, Andrew Bogut), assistant coaches, certain members of the front office, management, even beloved former Warriors TV analyst Jim Barnett didn't hold his tongue when reflecting on Jackson's Golden State tenure.

So manipulative was Jackson that he reportedly accused former big man Festus Ezeli of cheering against the team while he was sitting out with a knee injury in hopes that his absence would prove his value. Ezeli was reportedly so hurt by the accusation that he broke into tears while denying the claim to his teammates.

"[Jackson] couldn't get along with anybody else in the organization," Warriors owner Joe Lacob said shortly after Jackson's firing. "And look, he did a great job, and I'll always compliment him in many respects, but you can't have 200 people in the organization not like you."

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/as-maligned-ex-warriors-coach-mark-jackson-surfaces-in-nets-rumors-is-it-time-to-give-him-a-second-chance/


The secret recording reminded me of that episode of Seinfeld when George leaves the tape recorder in his suitcase to find out what they're saying about him

There is a reason he doesn't get first round interviews

I've posted this before, read the whole thread:

Yikes! I always find it fascinating how people just let that kind of behaviour just carry on unchecked- If I did any one of those things I’m sure my colleagues would have said “smackeddog, WTF?!?!”

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8/5/2020  3:56 PM
smackeddog wrote:Part of me is morbidly curious to know what would have happened if we had signed Mark Jackson as coach- some of the GS stuff was just bizarre!

The Warriors in the last six weeks demoted one assistant and fired another, and ESPN.com's Chris Broussard today reported that the team fired Darren Erman after learning Erman had recorded at least one coaches' meeting. Multiple league sources confirmed the gist of Broussard's report, and that Erman was concerned Mark Jackson and other coaches loyal to Jackson were insulting Erman to other players behind Erman's back.

The team had no choice but to fire Erman. However, the front office is fond of Erman and was upset at having to let him go, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter. The Erman firing and demotion of Brian Scalabrine have raised tensions throughout the Warriors' organization.

Jackson made a show of firing Scalabrine in front of players and other coaches, but he had no real grounds, and the front office made Jackson find a compromise, per a source familiar with the matter: demoting Scalabrine to the D-League. In addition, Jackson has asked that Jerry West, a high-level adviser in Golden State, not attend most practices and team activities, sources say.

The tension with Erman got weird. Midseason, the team moved Erman's parking spot to a less convenient place, likely at the behest of Jackson or one of Jackson's allies on the staff, per multiple sources familiar with the matter. They began changing his duties in strange ways. ... The atmosphere has bordered on poisonous."
It's impossible to imagine all this drama was happening within the Warriors and it was somehow everyone else's fault. Jackson was in the middle of it all. He clashed with certain players (hello, Andrew Bogut), assistant coaches, certain members of the front office, management, even beloved former Warriors TV analyst Jim Barnett didn't hold his tongue when reflecting on Jackson's Golden State tenure.

So manipulative was Jackson that he reportedly accused former big man Festus Ezeli of cheering against the team while he was sitting out with a knee injury in hopes that his absence would prove his value. Ezeli was reportedly so hurt by the accusation that he broke into tears while denying the claim to his teammates.

"[Jackson] couldn't get along with anybody else in the organization," Warriors owner Joe Lacob said shortly after Jackson's firing. "And look, he did a great job, and I'll always compliment him in many respects, but you can't have 200 people in the organization not like you."

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/as-maligned-ex-warriors-coach-mark-jackson-surfaces-in-nets-rumors-is-it-time-to-give-him-a-second-chance/


The secret recording reminded me of that episode of Seinfeld when George leaves the tape recorder in his suitcase to find out what they're saying about him

And yet there's a contingent on this board who wanted him. what an immature **** show

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8/8/2020  1:45 PM

Please make this happen!

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8/8/2020  2:59 PM
smackeddog wrote:

Please make this happen!

Does this mean the NYK remains committed to developing Knox into a star? That is a good sign. I do not know if Knox specifically will ever blossom, but creating a culture of developing our own home grown talent is the most important thing for the Knicks, in my view. I want the next Knick championship to be won by guys whom we draft or bring in from early age. Like Bird for the Celts, Magic and Kobe for the Lakers, MJ for the Bulls, Hakeem for the Rockets, Duncan for the Spurs, Dirk for the Mavs, Wade for the Heats, Steph for the GSW. How would you otherwise identify with your team?

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8/9/2020  5:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/9/2020  5:06 AM
Kentucky associate head coach Kenny Payne acknowledged Saturday that the New York Knicks have expressed an interest in hiring him as an assistant coach.

“All I can say is it’s not an easy decision,” he said of the UK-or-Knicks basketball crossroads he might face. “And, hopefully, it gets resolved one way or the other here soon.”

Jeff Goodman of The Stadium reported on Twitter that Payne was considering an offer to join the Knicks, who recently hired Tom Thibodeau as the new head coach. The Knicks are also considering hiring a former player, Mike Woodson, as an assistant coach.

“They reached out to Coach Cal (John Calipari) for permission to talk to me,” Payne said of the Knicks. “That’s the most I can say.”

The Knicks have also spoken to his agent, Payne said.

“But I have a great job for a lot of different reasons,” he said. “And all I can tell you is that I’ve been blessed to be able to be in a position to help a lot of people. It’s more than just basketball with me when you’re in a position to help families.”

Should Payne leave for the Knicks, UK reportedly is looking to fill the vacancy with James “Bruiser” Flint. Now an assistant coach at Indiana, Flint worked on Calipari’s staff at UMass for seven seasons.

Payne joined Calipari’s UK staff in 2010. He was promoted to associate head coach in 2014.

Former UK players, especially big men, have credited Payne with helping them develop. Payne has been recognized as helping Anthony Davis and Karl-Anthony Towns, both of whom became the first overall selections in the 2012 and 2015 NBA drafts respectively. He also worked with Nerlens Noel (sixth pick in 2013), Julius Randle (seventh pick in 2014), Willie Cauley-Stein (sixth pick in 2015), Skal Labissiere (28th pick in 2016), Bam Adebayo (14th pick in 2017), Kevin Knox (ninth pick in 2018) and PJ Washington (12th pick in 2019).

“That is a unique situation,” Payne said of the chance to work with highly regarded players. “It’s hard to even fathom leaving Kentucky when you’re in a position like I’m in.”

Payne is a native of Laurel, Miss., where he was a Parade All-American and the state’s player of the year while at Northeast Jones High School.

https://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article244825642.html

Ha, Randle would be pleased!

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8/9/2020  9:47 AM

I know nothing about Kenny Payne other than what Wikipedia says. I would like to think/hope that whatever staff Thibs builds includes some notion of a pipeline of coaching talent
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Chandler wrote:
I know nothing about Kenny Payne other than what Wikipedia says. I would like to think/hope that whatever staff Thibs builds includes some notion of a pipeline of coaching talent

From what I've read he is a highly regarded Player Development coach, especially with big men. I have no idea how you quantify that but that's what I keep reading. Wes connection too.

https://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Southeastern-Conference/8/Kentucky/258/nba-players

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8/9/2020  12:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/9/2020  12:36 PM
Chandler wrote:
I know nothing about Kenny Payne other than what Wikipedia says. I would like to think/hope that whatever staff Thibs builds includes some notion of a pipeline of coaching talent

Seems a really nice guy, no wonder he has such good relationships with the players he coaches

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8/9/2020  1:42 PM
Excited for him if he gets the post, he relates to the young players so that is a plus. Hope he meshes well with thibs.

How many assistant roles do we have? I'm reading woodson, Miller, Payne and greer are locked. How many more spots are left?

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unstopaball12 wrote:Excited for him if he gets the post, he relates to the young players so that is a plus. Hope he meshes well with thibs.

How many assistant roles do we have? I'm reading woodson, Miller, Payne and greer are locked. How many more spots are left?

There were reports that we might do something different and have a big developmental staff, which could be a good idea- finally take advantage of our spending power and establish a true developmental system.

If we do land Kenny Payne, imagine if we'd signed Kenny Atkinson as head coach- we would have had one man with a great track record of developing bigs, and one with a great track record of developing PGs- would have been great if we'd then decided to go for the rebuild via the draft.

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unstopaball12 wrote:Excited for him if he gets the post, he relates to the young players so that is a plus. Hope he meshes well with thibs.

How many assistant roles do we have? I'm reading woodson, Miller, Payne and greer are locked. How many more spots are left?

There is literally no limit that teams can have.

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In addition to filling out assistant coaching roles, the Knicks are planning to add a significant number of player development coaches under Tom Thibodeau. Any player development coaches would be hired in addition to assistant coaches who word serve on the bench under Thibodeau.

(from the article linked above)

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I thought Cal might have had more interest in the Knicks given the glory days of college ball with one and done might be on the decline with the new rule changes. Kids can go Gleague and next year jump to the pro’s from high school. High paid assistants like Payne might be faced with budget cuts. Same with mega coach like Calipari. Not to say College ball is dead. The mid majors have had a bigger presence and the game might be more fun. Let’s be real, the vast majority of players never sniff a pro contract both here and abroad! There are 350 Division one men’s basketball teams playing in 32 conferences. If each team carries 15 players thats 5,250 players. NBA drafts but 60 players each year not all are American. Same can be said for college players too. My point is teams like Duke, Carolina, and Kentucky might not be getting as many blue chip NBA one and done as they did. Star coaches Roy Williams, Coach K and Cal are mega paid and still in top bu they are getting a bit old. They have nice contracts and won’t be hurting but continuing the legacy as going forward might be facing headwinds given the change. How many kids are really talking about each year that ready for the pro’s, or the limited Gleague spots available? Not all kids are ready for the Gleague either. The money is limited and its “A JOB”!

With the Knicks Having all third picks and Dallas for the the next two years they are either going to trade some As some of you have alluded to but with a commitment to personal like Payne and Perrin development might as the path and need a full array of coaches and a Gleague commitment not seen before here. The notion that Thibs is a win now guy Via Lazy media and fan stereotype depictions are one view, yet the team is staffing up in this manner does point to at the very least a multifaceted approach. This is not revolutionary because all teams should be doing this!!! Seems Leon is hiring guys with good reputations like Brock Aller, Perrin and perhaps Payne. Some young guys, some vets, and obviously guys he likes and trusts in his years as a star agent.
It long road to “be excited” about any hire and a few years before results are known.

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8/10/2020  11:45 AM
Payne would be a great hire and the fact that Thibs is looking at guys like Payne is encouraging.
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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BRIGGS wrote:Asinine living in the past move.
Forget the draft and begin thinking about 2-3 vets who wi have no chance to last 82 games.
Leon Rose is a front man for the person who has killed the franchise and unfortunately the fans. R James Dolan. Napoleon lives
Hi Briggy
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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fishmike wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Asinine living in the past move.
Forget the draft and begin thinking about 2-3 vets who wi have no chance to last 82 games.
Leon Rose is a front man for the person who has killed the franchise and unfortunately the fans. R James Dolan. Napoleon lives
Hi Briggy

Not quite ready to declare our over .500 Brigg’s “waterloo” but when we looked at the schedule and injuries 1-9 was a perspective to respect.
We start the season with bad vibes from Mitch, spin over TO’s and anxiety that nothing improved.
WE see Spinovers and roll our eyes. ITs instinct and given our history understandable. Thibs was trying to get that move refined as we now can see its a tool for Randle t pass out of doubles.
I see RJ keep doing the same thing. Some label it one thing, we should just think of it as a work in progress and failure is part of the process to improve.
I Think Knox, Frank and Denis are still part of the process but for two of them time is running out given the contract. Its ok they go off and succeed elsewhere as long as our roster improves regardless.
This is how we got Randle. Other teams wanted his cap space and had other plans.
Looking forward to getting OBI back on the court to give Randle some breathing room but with more respect for our coaching.

Tom Thibodeau finalizing 5 year deal with knicks per woj (7/30: it's official)

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