Nalod wrote:Morris is not our closer. We don’t have one.
Frank hits that three we win the game. Kid shot down Young. The kid dominated on the D.
Randle wants big money, got to hit the FT’s!!! I’ll give Dennis a pass. Young made him look silly.
Frank Offensive rebound and Pass was pretty1
Dennis, Knox, RJ....>The young guys are the natural closers. They are not ready.

Agree with all of this.

Don't feel like the Knicks have a go-to guy and if they want to do better than say 25+ wins they need to have a very good system with all of the moving parts in sync, saw none of that tonight.

Knicks got smashed on the boards

Feel like Morris and Julius are trying to carry the load or go 1-on-1 a bit too much instead of letting the game come to them. Randle seems to operate with a bit of blinders on offense

newyorknewyork wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Morris is not our closer. We don’t have one.
Frank hits that three we win the game. Kid shot down Young. The kid dominated on the D.
Randle wants big money, got to hit the FT’s!!! I’ll give Dennis a pass. Young made him look silly.
Frank Offensive rebound and Pass was pretty1
Dennis, Knox, RJ....>The young guys are the natural closers. They are not ready.

Agree with all of this.

Don't feel like the Knicks have a go-to guy and if they want to do better than say 25+ wins they need to have a very good system with all of the moving parts in sync, saw none of that tonight.

Knicks got smashed on the boards

Feel like Morris and Julius are trying to carry the load or go 1-on-1 a bit too much instead of letting the game come to them. Randle seems to operate with a bit of blinders on offense

100%

If Randle and MOrris are going 1v1 all the time, isn't that the system? Fiz..show me a offensive system, PLEASE!!!

Randle ehas NOT looked GOOD, IMO. He looks slow and sloppy.

Morris is good but he is a 15 ppg guy...that's it.

RJ plays the game well. I hope he can improve his shot. If so, NY has a franchise leader.

Knox hardly played last night and was invisible when he did. He isn't cut out for the bench. Robinson has not shown any improvment.

SOmeone said it earluer, this team just can't shoot consistently enough. Depth is good but when Trier does not get onthe court, is it really?

If we added all these PF goons, and still getting out rebounded, that's a huge problem. Every team has a 7ft goon....and our goons are 6'9 and under. Portis is 6'11, but he's a finest jump shooting big. Mitch is inexperience and light in the bottom.

If Morris and Randle are playing too much ISO ball, that's a reflection on players not accepting Fitz offensive scheme. Which makes you wonder why Melo always went ISO ball down the stretch. When in doubt, ISO ball is the default offense, until we can find some symmetry on offense.

If Fitz can't figure out which players are going to be key rotation players by this weekend, we are in trouble. All these player lineup changes shakes up confidence and impacts chemistry. Without a go to guy, you need a system that everybody buys into. My worry is the Fitz will have a hard time getting players to buy into his system ALL SEASON.

Seems like this team grow as Mitch and whoever plays PG grows. We need to solidify those 2 key positions, if we want some consistency.

PG - Payton / DSJ
Center - Mitch / Portis

Frank is a swiss army knife and Fitz will use him all over, depending on matchups and flow. DSJ is a scoring guard, who can be a spark on offense. But Fitz needs to put his foot down and put somebody permanent at PG and Center. Let them learn and get their lumps. Then a quarter of the way, see if we need to make any lineup changes.

A few take-aways before from the rest I saw:

Trae has Iverson quickness. Similar EFF% too

Good to see Hunter and Reddish playing vs. RJ. I really feel like RJ is a young star in the making. Wow he continues to be impressive even when his shot isnt falling.

Knox as a prospect is really growing on me. He's really active on both ends. Really athletic. Really good at getting his shot off. Really good players to have in the mix.

Morris/Taj are good vets and are going to help us a lot. I see Fiz leaning on them early and I think he should.

Randle has the making of a workhorse scorer. 20 points on 12 shots on a night when he missed some good looks.

I am pretending DSjr didnt play last night. I just looked so bad I am going to say he wasnt ready and leave it at that.

I have a feeling we're going to rue the day we brought on DSJ. My worry is he will continue to tantalize with some spectacular plays but frustrate more with injury issues, jumping in the air only to realize he has no place to go and throw some crazy pass, and most important lack any consistency on O or D that the rest of team can rely on and build from.

I agree with some others that this may be a long season. Too much redundancy; too much mediocrity. A lot of these guys were available for a reason. It's a lot like last year in that many of these new faces are on a try out and likely not here next year (let alone long term future). Only difference is these guys are a step out from Mario, Mudiay, Noah

I am hopeful however that they will hustle and defend because that will make the games watchable if nothing else. I am also hopeful that there is at least promise with our younger core

blkexec wrote:I fell asleep and missed most of the 2nd half. But, here's my fan base assessment as we play GM / Coach....why? because it's fun:

If we added all these PF goons, and still getting out rebounded, that's a huge problem. Every team has a 7ft goon....and our goons are 6'9 and under. Portis is 6'11, but he's a finest jump shooting big. Mitch is inexperience and light in the bottom.

If Morris and Randle are playing too much ISO ball, that's a reflection on players not accepting Fitz offensive scheme. Which makes you wonder why Melo always went ISO ball down the stretch. When in doubt, ISO ball is the default offense, until we can find some symmetry on offense.

If Fitz can't figure out which players are going to be key rotation players by this weekend, we are in trouble. All these player lineup changes shakes up confidence and impacts chemistry. Without a go to guy, you need a system that everybody buys into. My worry is the Fitz will have a hard time getting players to buy into his system ALL SEASON.

Seems like this team grow as Mitch and whoever plays PG grows. We need to solidify those 2 key positions, if we want some consistency.

PG - Payton / DSJ
Center - Mitch / Portis

Frank is a swiss army knife and Fitz will use him all over, depending on matchups and flow. DSJ is a scoring guard, who can be a spark on offense. But Fitz needs to put his foot down and put somebody permanent at PG and Center. Let them learn and get their lumps. Then a quarter of the way, see if we need to make any lineup changes.

Agreed on the bolded....Frank is a disruptor more than anything. A key piece that most good teams have. He made a couple of heads up plays down the stretch...A key block on Young, a heads up rebound and pass to a cutting teammate for a dunk...The problem with Frank is on the offensive end. Save for a pass here and there, its almost like the Knicks are playing 4 on 5 and through 3 games, I am not seeing any improvement on that jumper.

I disagree on Peyton. He's almost redundant with Frank here and didn't like the signing from jump. Fiz, in my opinion should hand the ball to DSJ, and let them deal with all the ups and downs that all young players deal with as opposed to pulling him out of the lineup after a certain amount of games, and shuffling pg's in and out like last year with Burke, Smith and Mudiay. Give DSJ a chance to live up to his potential this season so we have a better understanding if he will be apart of our future or if we need to cut bait. Peyton does not need to take any minutes from DSJ or Frank, imo.

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:I fell asleep at the end... PG play was terrible. Worst of the preseason but folks are saying Frank looked good in the 4th? I DVR all this crap so I can watch... sounds like he ran a good ship late?

A few take-aways before from the rest I saw:

Trae has Iverson quickness. Similar EFF% too

Good to see Hunter and Reddish playing vs. RJ. I really feel like RJ is a young star in the making. Wow he continues to be impressive even when his shot isnt falling.

Knox as a prospect is really growing on me. He's really active on both ends. Really athletic. Really good at getting his shot off. Really good players to have in the mix.

Morris/Taj are good vets and are going to help us a lot. I see Fiz leaning on them early and I think he should.

Randle has the making of a workhorse scorer. 20 points on 12 shots on a night when he missed some good looks.

I am pretending DSjr didnt play last night. I just looked so bad I am going to say he wasnt ready and leave it at that.

Some nice defensive plays down the stretch...I think Franks role should be that of a disruptor. Still not showing much on the offensive end.

TPercy wrote:Once again lack of system but if I bring up Fiz people wanna kill me for it. 1 more season of this and Fiz simply can't be here.

1) Can't shoot
2) Can't run any semblance of an organized offence
3) Crap PGs

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:I fell asleep at the end... PG play was terrible. Worst of the preseason but folks are saying Frank looked good in the 4th? I DVR all this crap so I can watch... sounds like he ran a good ship late?

A few take-aways before from the rest I saw:

Trae has Iverson quickness. Similar EFF% too

Good to see Hunter and Reddish playing vs. RJ. I really feel like RJ is a young star in the making. Wow he continues to be impressive even when his shot isnt falling.

Knox as a prospect is really growing on me. He's really active on both ends. Really athletic. Really good at getting his shot off. Really good players to have in the mix.

Morris/Taj are good vets and are going to help us a lot. I see Fiz leaning on them early and I think he should.

Randle has the making of a workhorse scorer. 20 points on 12 shots on a night when he missed some good looks.

I am pretending DSjr didnt play last night. I just looked so bad I am going to say he wasnt ready and leave it at that.

Some nice defensive plays down the stretch...I think Franks role should be that of a disruptor. Still not showing much on the offensive end.

I mean you want to see Frank or DSjr spread the floor and just attack Trae at the top of 3 point line but we just couldnt seem to establish that any way

Frank is not an attacker or a downhill type of guard...DSJ does have that in his game but I will give him a pass as its clear he didn't have his legs under him in his first game back.