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6/28/2018  1:41 PM
Markji wrote:
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Fishmike
I actually like Kanter, just not at the price or value he thinks he's worth. Yes... the Lopez money is about right. Zero defense. Zero passing. He crashes the boards, he gets buckets and he gets exploited on defense.

Sorry Fish, but I guess you didn't look at the clip I posted just above your comment. Give it a look and see that the net negative wasn't at all due to Kanter.
See him pass to wide-open Knicks and they miss the shot. See the hustle. See the positioning he takes. See how he moves to protect the paint. Etc.

1 clip does not make an argument. I can't believe we are at that point. We are not at this point.


Yes, I said that. The clip shows the hustle, not the stats. It's not highlights. Its a game.
Fish said "zero passing" - well Kanter passed 2x but the knicks missed their wide open shots. That's not zero passing. That is a made-up comment - fake news.
Fish said zero defense - Kanter is playing very good defense. Especially against D Howard. And switching men. That again is not zero defense.

What I am and have been saying - you and others use hyperbole and extremes to describe Kanter as being bad and they just don't hold up.

You thought Fish LITERALLY meant that Kanter didn't once in the whole year pass the ball or more like he's pretty much a black hole? Literally never had 1 defensive play or on the whole was a bad defensive player.

Really man, this is kind of a stupid way to make a point.

And if you want to debase yourself and use the phrase Fake News, have at it, but it's played and meaningless


OK Martin....It's becoming too personal so I will stop posting on this thread. The above clip was an analysis of Kanter's play not a highlights clip. I don't think you or Fish even bothered to watch it.
My comment above this one - I'll agree with Fish on not offering Kanter a big extension. I hope Kanter opts in for this year and we sign Kyrie next year.

I did watch it, it's a nice clip of 1 game for about 5 minutes of play. It doesn't extrapolate to a season or a career of what Kanter does on defense.

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6/28/2018  2:48 PM
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Gudris wrote:Kanter is opting in

There's no way he won't- if he stays he gets the front court to himself and can really showcase himself for next year. Plus if he can demonstrate he's developed a 3pt shot, it adds to his value. Plus there's no money or market for him this offseason and he likes New York.

Latest article:

New York Knicks center Enes Kanter is leaning heavily toward exercising his $18.6 million player option for 2018-19, sources told ESPN on Thursday.

Kanter will continue to survey the market until his Friday deadline, sources told ESPN, but barring an unforeseen significant change in the market, he will opt in.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23935333/enes-kanter-leaning-staying-new-york-knicks-player-option

this is great. I like Kanter and think he really helps next year. I suspect a lot of people here will want to resign him. I am not one. Not for his asking price. Kanter is a nice stop gap player. I would have probably given him that extension out of his rookie deal, but now? No way. Not when Kyrie is telling KP he wants to play with him. This is not tongue and cheek, Kyrie grew up in the NJ burbs and still has family there. He was willing to get traded to NY last year and we were terrible. Kyrie is the reason Cle has a championship. Klay Thompson and Lenard are better? That is debatable, but there is zero indication those players would sign here. That is NOT the case with Irving who for many obvious reasons has stated his desire to come to here.

There is no player who's impact can sniff what Irving brings to the table. The only cost of trying to sign him would be letting Kanter walk if he opts out and not using the cap space money. That could yield some options but the safest is that Enes opts in, plays hard, helps the team and Kyrie is our starting PG next season.

I like Kanter. This year for $18mm is great. Next 4 for $100mm is

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6/28/2018  3:46 PM
fishmike wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Gudris wrote:Kanter is opting in

There's no way he won't- if he stays he gets the front court to himself and can really showcase himself for next year. Plus if he can demonstrate he's developed a 3pt shot, it adds to his value. Plus there's no money or market for him this offseason and he likes New York.

Latest article:

New York Knicks center Enes Kanter is leaning heavily toward exercising his $18.6 million player option for 2018-19, sources told ESPN on Thursday.

Kanter will continue to survey the market until his Friday deadline, sources told ESPN, but barring an unforeseen significant change in the market, he will opt in.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23935333/enes-kanter-leaning-staying-new-york-knicks-player-option

this is great. I like Kanter and think he really helps next year. I suspect a lot of people here will want to resign him. I am not one. Not for his asking price. Kanter is a nice stop gap player. I would have probably given him that extension out of his rookie deal, but now? No way. Not when Kyrie is telling KP he wants to play with him. This is not tongue and cheek, Kyrie grew up in the NJ burbs and still has family there. He was willing to get traded to NY last year and we were terrible. Kyrie is the reason Cle has a championship. Klay Thompson and Lenard are better? That is debatable, but there is zero indication those players would sign here. That is NOT the case with Irving who for many obvious reasons has stated his desire to come to here.

There is no player who's impact can sniff what Irving brings to the table. The only cost of trying to sign him would be letting Kanter walk if he opts out and not using the cap space money. That could yield some options but the safest is that Enes opts in, plays hard, helps the team and Kyrie is our starting PG next season.

I like Kanter. This year for $18mm is great. Next 4 for $100mm is

I like Kanter a lot as a person and politically, I even like watching him play, but I don’t want to resign him either as he just doesn’t fit long term- we need a more defensive PF/C and more athleticism. It’s a shame he’s so poor defensively as he’s a nice rebounder.
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6/28/2018  7:19 PM
reub wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
reub wrote:Kanter tweeted something with In and Out in it.

Does that mean we're working on signing and trading him?

The Wizards traded Gortat and don't seem to have a center except for Mahinmi. What if we signed Kanter and then traded him to Washington for Mahinmi and Kelly Oubre? What do you guys think of that trade?


That would be a very good deal for NY. Oubre is a nice young player, and would fit in to the under 25 plan Mahinmi is solid backup type C.

I think you would still need a starting C and PF until KP come back. Can Noah do the job at C? For how long? Can Robinson even play in the NBA yet? This could be a very big issue this year.


After we do the sign and trade we re-sign O'Quinn, who would become our starting five.
We would do well to try to get Kelly Oubre this well.
And the trade works on the NBA trade machine too.

Unfortunately, I think Oubre is off the table for now. Wiz are rumored to want to move Porter in order to make way for someone like Cousins.

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6/29/2018  7:27 AM
fishmike wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Gudris wrote:Kanter is opting in

There's no way he won't- if he stays he gets the front court to himself and can really showcase himself for next year. Plus if he can demonstrate he's developed a 3pt shot, it adds to his value. Plus there's no money or market for him this offseason and he likes New York.

Latest article:

New York Knicks center Enes Kanter is leaning heavily toward exercising his $18.6 million player option for 2018-19, sources told ESPN on Thursday.

Kanter will continue to survey the market until his Friday deadline, sources told ESPN, but barring an unforeseen significant change in the market, he will opt in.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23935333/enes-kanter-leaning-staying-new-york-knicks-player-option

this is great. I like Kanter and think he really helps next year. I suspect a lot of people here will want to resign him. I am not one. Not for his asking price. Kanter is a nice stop gap player. I would have probably given him that extension out of his rookie deal, but now? No way. Not when Kyrie is telling KP he wants to play with him. This is not tongue and cheek, Kyrie grew up in the NJ burbs and still has family there. He was willing to get traded to NY last year and we were terrible. Kyrie is the reason Cle has a championship. Klay Thompson and Lenard are better? That is debatable, but there is zero indication those players would sign here. That is NOT the case with Irving who for many obvious reasons has stated his desire to come to here.

There is no player who's impact can sniff what Irving brings to the table. The only cost of trying to sign him would be letting Kanter walk if he opts out and not using the cap space money. That could yield some options but the safest is that Enes opts in, plays hard, helps the team and Kyrie is our starting PG next season.

I like Kanter. This year for $18mm is great. Next 4 for $100mm is

+1 I always thought Kanter opting in for his final year was the best case scenario for us.

However, we still have the Noah thing hanging over our heads. But with KOQ and Willy gone and only a rookie replacing them thus far, it looks like Noah will be given every opportunity to show if he has any game left.
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6/29/2018  11:07 AM
martin wrote:
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smackeddog wrote:Man, why can't we do something like this with Kanter:

It's not that I dislike Kanter (seems a nice guy), it's just we need to get more athletic at C and PF, and better defensively, and we can't afford to pay him beyond 2019.

Yep....Kanter pick the teams he prefer... and do a sign and trade with the team that wants him.

what about to the bucks for Parker?

than you have no center and a log jam at sf/pf

is your DNA so-biased to the negative?

what is the log jam you speak of, Knox, Lance?

and the predicate is if Kanter is inclined to leave anyway

lee and thj are suited more as a SF, which that would make lee, THJ, williams, knox, and lance at sf/pf not to mention beasly who is still in play and comes much cheaper.

Parker does not make the roster more balance and after two ACL injuries, your not concerned about his health?.

dude, you do understand why most everyone thinks you are ridiculous right? It's comments like this that really take the cake. I don't know man, this type of post doesnt really add to much here


As ridiculous as Parker even being a remote option..whatever

You and I both know that will never happen, not to mention that both lee and THJ spent a lot of time at The sf position.

Then you talk about kyrie and his injury woes, then comeback and advocate for Parker..That's what i call ridiculous

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6/29/2018  11:21 AM
Kanter is becoming real annoying. He wants to wait until the last minute like he hasn't already made a decision. He loves the attention. It makes him less likable that he thinks people care that much. I could care less whether or not he opts in or out. He has become just a stopgap with the plan for 2019. If we land a max guy, only way he could come back is on a mid level deal.
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6/29/2018  11:51 AM
reub wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
reub wrote:Kanter tweeted something with In and Out in it.

Does that mean we're working on signing and trading him?

The Wizards traded Gortat and don't seem to have a center except for Mahinmi. What if we signed Kanter and then traded him to Washington for Mahinmi and Kelly Oubre? What do you guys think of that trade?


That would be a very good deal for NY. Oubre is a nice young player, and would fit in to the under 25 plan Mahinmi is solid backup type C.

I think you would still need a starting C and PF until KP come back. Can Noah do the job at C? For how long? Can Robinson even play in the NBA yet? This could be a very big issue this year.


After we do the sign and trade we re-sign O'Quinn, who would become our starting five.
We would do well to try to get Kelly Oubre this well.
And the trade works on the NBA trade machine too.


How about a E.Kanter for Jabari Parker trade? The Bucks are supposedly the team most interested in Kanter and Parker is a RFA so we could do a sign and trade with them. Parker can play PF and SF so we'd still need to sign a center which could be KOQ. I know Parker has the health issues with multiple knee/ACL/MCL (not exactly sure what the exact injuries were) injuries but the dude can ball when healthy.
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6/29/2018  11:55 AM
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Gudris wrote:Kanter is opting in

There's no way he won't- if he stays he gets the front court to himself and can really showcase himself for next year. Plus if he can demonstrate he's developed a 3pt shot, it adds to his value. Plus there's no money or market for him this offseason and he likes New York.

Latest article:

New York Knicks center Enes Kanter is leaning heavily toward exercising his $18.6 million player option for 2018-19, sources told ESPN on Thursday.

Kanter will continue to survey the market until his Friday deadline, sources told ESPN, but barring an unforeseen significant change in the market, he will opt in.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23935333/enes-kanter-leaning-staying-new-york-knicks-player-option

this is great. I like Kanter and think he really helps next year. I suspect a lot of people here will want to resign him. I am not one. Not for his asking price. Kanter is a nice stop gap player. I would have probably given him that extension out of his rookie deal, but now? No way. Not when Kyrie is telling KP he wants to play with him. This is not tongue and cheek, Kyrie grew up in the NJ burbs and still has family there. He was willing to get traded to NY last year and we were terrible. Kyrie is the reason Cle has a championship. Klay Thompson and Lenard are better? That is debatable, but there is zero indication those players would sign here. That is NOT the case with Irving who for many obvious reasons has stated his desire to come to here.

There is no player who's impact can sniff what Irving brings to the table. The only cost of trying to sign him would be letting Kanter walk if he opts out and not using the cap space money. That could yield some options but the safest is that Enes opts in, plays hard, helps the team and Kyrie is our starting PG next season.

I like Kanter. This year for $18mm is great. Next 4 for $100mm is

I like Kanter a lot as a person and politically, I even like watching him play, but I don’t want to resign him either as he just doesn’t fit long term- we need a more defensive PF/C and more athleticism. It’s a shame he’s so poor defensively as he’s a nice rebounder.


But if M.Robinson ends up to be really good on the defensive end to start then a Kanter/Robinson duo could work really well. We can play Kanter when we need the offense and when we have KP at the 4 spot to make up for Kanter's lack of defense and play Robinson next to KP when we need the defense down low and KP could spread the floor and do some outside shooting. If Robinson ends up as good defensively as Capela then it will be an absolute block party around the basket when him and KP are in.
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Knixkik wrote:Kanter is becoming real annoying. He wants to wait until the last minute like he hasn't already made a decision. He loves the attention. It makes him less likable that he thinks people care that much. I could care less whether or not he opts in or out. He has become just a stopgap with the plan for 2019. If we land a max guy, only way he could come back is on a mid level deal.
Man, get over yourself it's not that serious. It's just basketball. Kanter is a unique dude. I wouldn't want a league full of Kawhi Leonards.
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6/29/2018  6:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/29/2018  7:00 PM
Welpee wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Kanter is becoming real annoying. He wants to wait until the last minute like he hasn't already made a decision. He loves the attention. It makes him less likable that he thinks people care that much. I could care less whether or not he opts in or out. He has become just a stopgap with the plan for 2019. If we land a max guy, only way he could come back is on a mid level deal.
Man, get over yourself it's not that serious. It's just basketball. Kanter is a unique dude. I wouldn't want a league full of Kawhi Leonards.

Given the nightmare that his real life is with his separation from his family and having to live in constant fear for their well being, I think grabbing a little attention or having a little fun with this isn't hurting anything or anyone. I don't think he deserves this type of ire directed at him. He has to make a decision by the deadline - if he makes the decision by the deadline what is the issue? Think it's too long - change the deadline!

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10/30/2018  11:47 AM
I'm sure kanter didn't opt in to come off the bench a wk and half into the season, in a contract season to boot.

He may not show it, but he can't be happy one bit

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10/30/2018  11:53 AM
knicks1248 wrote:I'm sure kanter didn't opt in to come off the bench a wk and half into the season, in a contract season to boot.

He may not show it, but he can't be happy one bit

That 15 pts and 15 boards was a good statement. Now about that Defense...

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knicks1248 wrote:I'm sure kanter didn't opt in to come off the bench a wk and half into the season, in a contract season to boot.

He may not show it, but he can't be happy one bit

Have read some articles where Kanter states that he had been playing like an all star (and maybe that was in reference to when he was starting). That's an odd take from Kanter

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knicks1248 wrote:I'm sure kanter didn't opt in to come off the bench a wk and half into the season, in a contract season to boot.

He may not show it, but he can't be happy one bit

That 15 pts and 15 boards was a good statement. Now about that Defense...

Even that was better last night compared to last season

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knicks1248 wrote:I'm sure kanter didn't opt in to come off the bench a wk and half into the season, in a contract season to boot.

He may not show it, but he can't be happy one bit

Have read some articles where Kanter states that he had been playing like an all star (and maybe that was in reference to when he was starting). That's an odd take from Kanter

I didn't think he was the issue in the starting line up, but I did think that burke, lance and frank were looking to post him up too much, and the offense became THJ and Kanter.

GSW ran a double at him every time he touch the ball, and that double came from who ever was guarding frank or lance.

Kanter needs to expand he's game beyond the post

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10/30/2018  3:43 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:I'm sure kanter didn't opt in to come off the bench a wk and half into the season, in a contract season to boot.

He may not show it, but he can't be happy one bit

Have read some articles where Kanter states that he had been playing like an all star (and maybe that was in reference to when he was starting). That's an odd take from Kanter

15ppg, 12rebs, 55%+ FGs... I have no doubt Enes thinks he's playing at an all star level.
He's a commodity. He's going to think he's getting big money, but he's prolly gonna take a MLE type contract or a 1 year deal next year. Sorry dude. Center market is deep and its tough to run a guy out there at the 5 who doesnt defend or protect the rim.

Kanter would be a fantastic bench scorer for any team. He's a great asset scoring and pounding the boards for 20-25 mins a night. More than that and the defense starts producing diminished returns.

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knicks1248 wrote:I'm sure kanter didn't opt in to come off the bench a wk and half into the season, in a contract season to boot.

He may not show it, but he can't be happy one bit


Usually as a favor to some others I have relationships with/history with, I still help prep some guys for their Combine. I tell them what everyone else tells them and what I was told repeatedly, nearly every single day.

You want to be on the field? Play in a way where they can't take you off the field.

Kanter wants to get off the bench? Play in a way where the Knicks have no choice but keep him on the floor. A lot of players, Wade is probably the biggest culprit, see themselves in their prime/peak and refuse to see anything else. You are only as good as your last time on the field/floor. It's nice to have history, but if it's not helping you today, then it doesn't matter.

Any of you want to bang a super fat chick who used to be thin and hot 7 years ago? She was pleasant 7 years ago. She took care of herself 7 years ago. She actually took the time to smile 7 years ago. No one gives a **** of what you used to be, people give a **** what you can give right now.

Kanters comments reek of entitlement. No one gives you jack **** in this life, you have to go out and take it. Kanter is like a fat chick who won't shower or hit the treadmill or put down the fork but wonders why Prince Charming isn't ready to fix her ****ty credit and marry her already.
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knicks1248 wrote:I'm sure kanter didn't opt in to come off the bench a wk and half into the season, in a contract season to boot.

He may not show it, but he can't be happy one bit


Usually as a favor to some others I have relationships with/history with, I still help prep some guys for their Combine. I tell them what everyone else tells them and what I was told repeatedly, nearly every single day.

You want to be on the field? Play in a way where they can't take you off the field.

Kanter wants to get off the bench? Play in a way where the Knicks have no choice but keep him on the floor. A lot of players, Wade is probably the biggest culprit, see themselves in their prime/peak and refuse to see anything else. You are only as good as your last time on the field/floor. It's nice to have history, but if it's not helping you today, then it doesn't matter.

Any of you want to bang a super fat chick who used to be thin and hot 7 years ago? She was pleasant 7 years ago. She took care of herself 7 years ago. She actually took the time to smile 7 years ago. No one gives a **** of what you used to be, people give a **** what you can give right now.

Kanters comments reek of entitlement. No one gives you jack **** in this life, you have to go out and take it. Kanter is like a fat chick who won't shower or hit the treadmill or put down the fork but wonders why Prince Charming isn't ready to fix her ****ty credit and marry her already.

well just for the record . . . how fat are we talking here?
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