Q4 5:11
NYK 82 TOR 98

Uptown wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Uptown wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:So which team on the court is looking to lock up an IMPOERANT playoff position in this game?

One note to all of those who hate the Triangle... Our replacement warriors are showing that the offense can work if EVERYONE buys into it, and if you take a look at the # of 3s taken today...we are shooting as many as Toronto 18 to 20 at this moment.

I know KP likes the offense because he was scoring better before his back issue...more midrange shots...

Just seems to me that if there is a will to play it, it can work.

Offense looks good considering the circumstances. Keep in mind, most of the bottom feeder teams have been playing much better as the season winds down considering the top teams are resting, or playing half speed as they gear up for the playoffs. The Nyets have looked good the last 1o games or so...So have the Lakers and Suns....

I'm watching the execution and effort level. The decision making. Obviously these guys aren't expected to be the primary players but we need these guys to hold their own next year and I think they're showing they have the ability.

The key is to continue to develop these guys and also upgrade the starting talent.

Its also the Lakers, Nyets, Suns, and Wolves goal as well...The question for us is how many of these guys will still be around in a couple of years? We thought we were developing guys last year (Grant, Thanisis, Galloway) and the year before (Larkin, Shved and Early) and all of them are elsewhere.

These guys for the most part seem to fit this style. Not everyone with stick. We'll still be looking to upgrade which we should. Just keep trying to upgrade at every spot and eventually you have a legit team.

We should have much better continuity next year tho.

Q4 4:00
NYK 82 TOR 100

GustavBahler wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:So which team on the court is looking to lock up an IMPOERANT playoff position in this game?

One note to all of those who hate the Triangle... Our replacement warriors are showing that the offense can work if EVERYONE buys into it, and if you take a look at the # of 3s taken today...we are shooting as many as Toronto 18 to 20 at this moment.

I know KP likes the offense because he was scoring better before his back issue...more midrange shots...

Just seems to me that if there is a will to play it, it can work.

We're seeing what Hornacek talked about early in the season. Triangle and P&R. Ive seen more P&R these last few games than Ive seen since Phil got here. Giving the players something more familiar, instinctive, in addition to the Triangle, makes the transition for new players, rookies, easier.

If the Triangle isnt clicking, there's a plan b. Also makes things less predictable. Its when the Triangle was overemphasized that things got complicated. It will be easier to attract players to NY IMO if they dont feel like they have to learn an entirely new language. Especially those on short term deals.

You're seeing more P&Rs because Baker is becoming a true pass first lead guard...he and Willy have a good chemistry.

I think its debatable that the Triangle was "overemphasized." I think the issue was that certain people were unwilling to fully buy into it. Rose, Jennings, and Anthony (not always) had their own offensive agendas.
The guys playing now can be controlled.

yellowboy90 wrote:Right now is a good time to evaluate Baker

Baker will earn his keep in this league on the defensive end...Bakes should take notes from Lowry and the way he pressures the ball handler 94 feet...Lowry gets under the ball and makes the ball handler uncomfortable...

Q4 1:43
NYK 92 TOR 105

Q4 1:27
NYK 92 TOR 105

WaltLongmire wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:So which team on the court is looking to lock up an IMPOERANT playoff position in this game?

One note to all of those who hate the Triangle... Our replacement warriors are showing that the offense can work if EVERYONE buys into it, and if you take a look at the # of 3s taken today...we are shooting as many as Toronto 18 to 20 at this moment.

I know KP likes the offense because he was scoring better before his back issue...more midrange shots...

Just seems to me that if there is a will to play it, it can work.

We're seeing what Hornacek talked about early in the season. Triangle and P&R. Ive seen more P&R these last few games than Ive seen since Phil got here. Giving the players something more familiar, instinctive, in addition to the Triangle, makes the transition for new players, rookies, easier.

If the Triangle isnt clicking, there's a plan b. Also makes things less predictable. Its when the Triangle was overemphasized that things got complicated. It will be easier to attract players to NY IMO if they dont feel like they have to learn an entirely new language. Especially those on short term deals.

You're seeing more P&Rs because Baker is becoming a true pass first lead guard...he and Willy have a good chemistry.

I think its debatable that the Triangle was "overemphasized." I think the issue was that certain people were unwilling to fully buy into it. Rose, Jennings, and Anthony (not always) had their own offensive agendas.
The guys playing now can be controlled.

It's not just Baker running the P&R, and its not just when he's on the court. Some teams just did a good job of defending against the Triangle. Even the biggest supporters of the Triangle, former players, say its a tough system to learn, takes several seasons. Thats why its good to run something more familiar alongside it. You're right some didnt buy in, and that's on the man who built the roster, and mandated the offense. Easing into the Triangle is better than a crash course IMO because as we've seen the outcome can be ugly.

Q4 19.3
NYK 97 TOR 110

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:So which team on the court is looking to lock up an IMPOERANT playoff position in this game?

One note to all of those who hate the Triangle... Our replacement warriors are showing that the offense can work if EVERYONE buys into it, and if you take a look at the # of 3s taken today...we are shooting as many as Toronto 18 to 20 at this moment.

I know KP likes the offense because he was scoring better before his back issue...more midrange shots...

Just seems to me that if there is a will to play it, it can work.

We're seeing what Hornacek talked about early in the season. Triangle and P&R. Ive seen more P&R these last few games than Ive seen since Phil got here. Giving the players something more familiar, instinctive, in addition to the Triangle, makes the transition for new players, rookies, easier.

If the Triangle isnt clicking, there's a plan b. Also makes things less predictable. Its when the Triangle was overemphasized that things got complicated. It will be easier to attract players to NY IMO if they dont feel like they have to learn an entirely new language. Especially those on short term deals.

It's something that was always an option but it's up to the coach to decide how to implement it into the flow. Tex had PnR like this in his playbook and the Lakers used it as well.

The president of the team has mandated the offense. Hasn't been up to Hornacek. Im glad that we are now seeing more of the hybrid scheme that was talked about at the beginning of the season.

I'm not following your point. The way the Triangle offense is implemented is still up to Jeff. This is a modified version from how Rambis looked to run it. I can clearly see Jeff's imprint. In the end he's got them moving better and less robotic. Phil isn't directing everything by running a clinic once in a while.

Up to Jeff to run an offense he has no experience with, that is something of an anomaly in this league, difficult to teach, and not what made him one of the better young coaches in the league in Phoenix. When Jeff can run the offense without the Triangle (if he chooses) then it will be entirely up to him.

When Rambis goes somewhere on his own and makes himself a name as a head coach, I will give him credit. Seen too much in NY to be anything but skeptical about his impact with the Knicks.

GustavBahler wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:So which team on the court is looking to lock up an IMPOERANT playoff position in this game?

One note to all of those who hate the Triangle... Our replacement warriors are showing that the offense can work if EVERYONE buys into it, and if you take a look at the # of 3s taken today...we are shooting as many as Toronto 18 to 20 at this moment.

I know KP likes the offense because he was scoring better before his back issue...more midrange shots...

Just seems to me that if there is a will to play it, it can work.

We're seeing what Hornacek talked about early in the season. Triangle and P&R. Ive seen more P&R these last few games than Ive seen since Phil got here. Giving the players something more familiar, instinctive, in addition to the Triangle, makes the transition for new players, rookies, easier.

If the Triangle isnt clicking, there's a plan b. Also makes things less predictable. Its when the Triangle was overemphasized that things got complicated. It will be easier to attract players to NY IMO if they dont feel like they have to learn an entirely new language. Especially those on short term deals.

You're seeing more P&Rs because Baker is becoming a true pass first lead guard...he and Willy have a good chemistry.

I think its debatable that the Triangle was "overemphasized." I think the issue was that certain people were unwilling to fully buy into it. Rose, Jennings, and Anthony (not always) had their own offensive agendas.
The guys playing now can be controlled.

It's not just Baker running the P&R, and its not just when he's on the court. Some teams just did a good job of defending against the Triangle. Even the biggest supporters of the Triangle, former players, say its a tough system to learn, takes several seasons. Thats why its good to run something more familiar alongside it. You're right some didnt buy in, and that's on the man who built the roster, and mandated the offense. Easing into the Triangle is better than a crash course IMO because as we've seen the outcome can be ugly.

I'm sorry but Buying In is on the players. There was no reason for Pros to not give 100% effort to try and learn the offense as well as give better effort on D.

Now we can just move on from those guys and move forward with players that give a damn.