crzymdups wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:Once you learn to frame information to realize that the tweet you cited offers no information to who the free agent was but more importantly no information as to what his preferences were before the Rose trade, you can't unsee it anymore.

It's quite obvious there's no information as to who the free agent is since it plainly states the FA requested anonymity and B) the question was asked post-Rose trade so clearly the Rose trade had an impact on the FA's answer.

The tweet didn't say much, but it said the Knicks are in the top 4 of a FA's list of places to play right now. Hey, at least we can frame the information to know it wasn't Kevin Durant who put the Knicks in his top 4.

Again, once you learn to respect the specific of causality, you don't make the mistake you're making.

You're assuming since the tweet was published after the trade it was 1.) asked after the trade; AND 2.) the trade affected the answer. You have NO information to make either of those conclusions other than assumption.

crzymdups wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

crzymdups wrote:We do get some insight - we've seen Jamal and Noah have more interest since the Rose trade.

We have?

Where?

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/JCrossover/status/745757861561643008

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jamal-crawford-emerging-viable-option-join-knicks-article-1.2687880?utm_content=bufferf8117&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter

Finally, Jackson will turn his attention to building a supporting cast and one former Knick emerging as a viable option is Jamal Crawford, the NBA's only three-time Sixth Man of Year.

Crawford, 36, has strong support within the Knicks organization and that feeling appears to be mutual.

"I'm not talking about any one team but everyone knows how I feel about New York," Crawford told The News. "I really enjoyed my time there."

The positive feelings the Knicks have toward Joakim Noah are mutual.

According to an NBA source, the Knicks have “a very high interest” in signing the 6-foot-11 Noah to play center in a frontcourt that would feature Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis. Another NBA source said Noah is eager for at least a sit-down with the Knicks.

http://nypost.com/2016/06/27/joakim-noahs-knicks-momentum-keeps-building/

Okay, so a 36 year-old bench guard having interest in NY and Noah having interest means neither would have had interest 7 days ago. That is the argument you are making.

Well, let's look at that.

- On this and any other Knicks message board, for years Knicks fans have argued and complained players use interest in and from the Knicks to drive up interest (see Hill, Grant).

- In the past several years, free agents who have signed with or engineered a trade to with the Knicks include Amar'e Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler, Jason Kidd, and effectively Carmelo Anthony ... twice.

Most recently, one calendar year ago, coming off their worst season ever, Robin Lopez sighed with them, in a market arguably stronger for centers (there was less of them).

Lopez was last year, younger, healthier and coming off a more effective season than Noah.

Add to it Chicago has signaled it doesn't want him back AND that he is a NY native, and you begin to realize your assumptions about his motivations are dubious.

Lopez didn't require Rose to be interested in NY, and Porzingis was regarded as a couple of years away maybe at that point.

So to say Noah's interest - which appears genuine - has been profoundly affected by Rose the potential all-star as opposed to Rose his good friend and teammate the last 7 years, is just making stuff up at this stage. And I just mean you don't know and I don't know.

A favorably comparable center from the west coast who maybe had a healthier less competitive market choose the KNicks one year ago, without Rose. To say 365 days later Rose is an x-factor just as no empirical grounds.

And a 36 year old bench guard? you think teams are lining up to have meeting with Jamal Crawford. He's looking for a job with as high of a salary as possible. He has every reason to be interested in the deep pockets of the Knicks.

Again, you're extrapolating causality where you have no basis to other than confirmation bias.

Noah was the heart and soul of the Bulls, at least until Hoiberg showed up. I agree what he brings as a teammate can't be measured. We just got from under Chandler and Stat's contract. Hesitant about being in that place again in a couple of seasons.

GustavBahler wrote:Signing Noah long term, IDK. I don't doubt Noah will try to earn every penny of any deal he gets, but the man has some miles on him.

Just for fun.

Noah has played 572 (29.5 mins per) games in 9 seasons.

Horford has played 578 (33.5 mins per) games in 9 seasons.

In "what have you done for me lately" sort of thing, people forget Horford only played 11 games in '11-12, and then 29 games in '13-14.

He's put two healthy seasons together, but it's less of a mileage issue and more of a recent history issue.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Signing Noah long term, IDK. I don't doubt Noah will try to earn every penny of any deal he gets, but the man has some miles on him. As with Rose, giving max years to both these players could really hurt down the road. Would rather get Holford. If Phil were to sign Noah I wouldnt want it to be for max years. Rose/Noah/Melo next to KP would do some damage, but for how long? How long before father time catches up with this lineup? Unfortunately it could be sooner rather than later. If we sign a vet to a big deal. Maybe better to find someone with less miles on the odometer.

Noah was the heart and soul of the Bulls, at least until Hoiberg showed up. I agree what he brings as a teammate can't be measured. We just got from under Chandler and Stat's contract. Hesitant about being in that place again in a couple of seasons.

I trust that Phil will not do that to the Knicks. He's going to try and protect the team to some degree. It makes no sense at this point to overcommit to any player with serious injury history. I still like Noah for this team and I think we will have enough talent to keep him from being overworked. He should not have to average over 28 mpg. I think Noah's leadership and passing would make this team a heck of a lot better. I wouldn't attempt to overuse either of Rose, Melo or Noah.

If anyone would structure his deal to make the team more competitive, Id imagine its Noah. If he wants an expensive, long term deal, I hope the Knicks pass. Wont do KP very much good down the road.

ESOMKnicks wrote:Noah's poor shooting % and ft % will kill the team. He plain sucks. I'd rather have a lesser name like a Mozgov or a Mahinmi for less money/years.
The Knicks really goofed in trading Rolo, the more i look at stats the more i realize how valuable he was. And given up for what? A breaking down PG who cant shoot?
Should have just been patient and waited for people to start opting out, could have signed a just as effective a pg in deron williams AND kept Rolo.

I actually think Noah will have a bounce back season. Sometimes a player needs to shut it down but the pressures of playing in the NBA keeps them pushing thru until they break. After that layoff sometimes it refreshes a player like Noah who lives off his effort and energy as much as his passing skills. He still rebounded and passed the ball at a high level. It's entirely possible that injuries impacted his scoring and I believe he could be much better after a long layoff before next season. SIGN HIM!!!!

nyknickzingis wrote:Noah has the winning skills. By that I mean he does the things that a winning team needs. Defends hard. Rebounds very well. Sets good screens. Moves the ball. Unselfish. A team with KP (shoot first) Melo (shoot first, ball dominant) and Rose (shoot first, ball dominant) needs a player like Noah and a gifted outside catch and shoot player at the 2 guard. The issue is his age, price tag and how much he has left in the tank. With the season he just had, I am very weary of giving him a $70M/4 year deal. I would do $40/4 or $50M/4 but more than that I would pass. We need players not just for this year. KP is on his way up. Rose is 27. We need a player as a longterm free agent investment that will still be in his peak 2-3 years from now. Remember Melo is already 32. We do not want players going in decline with him. It's vital Melo is surrounded with younger players who are on their way up or at a steady peak over these 2-3 years left on his contract.

Remember Noah won't have to log heavy minutes here. We should have enough depth at C/PF so that he will never have to log heavy minutes. His vocal leadership as well as how he practices and plays will be GREAT for all of our players. I want that kind of player on this team. I think some are not really appreciating how important that can be when you have talent around him. He's that glue guy that as you stated makes the ball move between all the scorers. I'm willing to take a chance on him with a reasonable contract.