dk7th wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Nalod wrote:Pierce was Melo until KG and Ray came to town. They drafted Rondo and he fell in under that leadership.

Melo has not been fortunate enough to play with two in prime allstars on the knicks as pierce got to do in Boston.
Pierce and Melo are going into the Hall of fame.
Lebron is the only player in this era that can carry a franchise. Not Melo, not pierce, not curry, etc etc. We all know this.

pierce has been a better nba player and has had a better nba career. much better. he is an nba finals mvp. and he was a leader on those title-contending teams. and he was always a better, more willing passer. his footwork and handle have been practically peerless. and he has always been a better defender. really no comparison.

Pierce's teams won at a rate of 45% for the first 9 yrs of his career. Melo's teams won at a rate of 60% for the first 9 years of his career. Once the Celtics added two hofs and Rondo the Celtics became dominant. To discount the impact that adding two hofs and Rondo had on Pierce and the Celtics success is ridiculous. The celtics won 47 total games the two previous seasons before Ray, KG and Rondo arrived.

pierce remains the better nba player with the better career. he creates chemistry and makes others around him better. melo had the benefit of having better players and did better in the jayvee season but underachieved in the varsity season. he was never adequate when it came to chemistry and this contributed to his postseason failures. jayvee season you get by on talent but the crucible of the playoffs exposes flaws in players and teams.

meanwhile there's a good reason why the celtics built around pierce and succeeded. also people forget that pierce led an overachieving team to the conference finals in his 5th season or so.

Here we go again...first it was Gallo, then it was Paul George, then it was PP...

Amazingly, PP was able to make KG and Ray Allen and Rondo better, while the DOUCHE couldn't manage to make the end of AI, Chauncey Billups or KMart (who I hear is on his way to the HOF) any better.

Also it's good that since we've reverted to jayvee and varsity analytics, how do you manage melo dragging this franchise to the second round with the flotsam he's played with? And since Melo never got to play with the likes of KG, Ray and Rondo, it's slightly telling how his and PP's playoff stats line up. They're just absolutely light years apart, right?

meanwhile, what exactly jumps out at you about PP's performance in that historic trip to the conf finals against the nets? His 0-fers and 20% chucking from 3?

melo could have a had a better team from the very beginning if he had merely waited for free agency in the summer of 2011.

pierce was playing with walker, anderson, rodgers, and strickland when he went to the conference finals.

anthony was playing with billups, kmart, nene, andersen, kleiza when he went to the conference finals.

which was the greater achievement?

The east was garbage during that year....the west was much harder to navigate. Can't compare the 2....

okay so pierce took a weaker squad through weaker competition to the ecf in 2002 while melo was part of a stronger squad that went against stronger competition to the wcf in 2009. sounds like they are comparable to me.

i still think pierce was the more impactful player with the better career. he won a title and was the finals mvp. he appeared in two finals and four conference finals. and he was always on a more reasonable contract.

had melo come to the knicks and changed his game right away, to the sort of player he showed he could be for 30 games last year, he would not have been the polarizing figure he was. meanwhile doc rivers got pierce to change his game right away and got results.

GTFOH with that garbage. It'blasphemy propping up the likes of PP on here. The crap he has said about NY in the past and your favoring him over our best player and the only All Star that wants anything to do with us. SMH. So we had someone as good as KG and RA playing with Melo? And at their highest point in their careers? KG same as Chandler, older Kmart? Ray Allen same as JR, old AI, old Billups?

it's not garbage to show respect. i have respect for paul pierce. i love his game. footwork and dribble and change of direction, head and ball fakes, craftiness, interior passing. and the man has been a clutch player.

you don't get to decide what's blasphemy and what isn't among the knicks fanbase. but just for kicks i will tell you what is blasphemous: putting money above and before everything else your entire career. that said, i absolutely loved carmelo for 30 games last season.

other players i have respect for: dennis johnson, dumars, kevin garnett, ginobili, billups, paul george, kawhi leonard, iguodala, noah, milsap....

I agree. there are a lot of players I hated but probably would love if he were on my team. That PP talked smack put him on the hate list. But you have to respect his game

Last shot of the game and PP versus Melo. C'mon, you know PP is taking and hitting that shot, and you know Melo is taking and missing (even if KP is wide open underneath)

Chandler wrote:

Last shot of the game and PP versus Melo. C'mon, you know PP is taking and hitting that shot, and you know Melo is taking and missing

This. Their careers in a nutshell.

stopstandthere wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Last shot of the game and PP versus Melo. C'mon, you know PP is taking and hitting that shot, and you know Melo is taking and missing

This. Their careers in a nutshell.

And Melo was fouled but no call. Knicks in a nutshell.

Fouled by who? I didn't hear any whistle. Too much excuse making sometimes.

jrodmc wrote:

stopstandthere wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Last shot of the game and PP versus Melo. C'mon, you know PP is taking and hitting that shot, and you know Melo is taking and missing

This. Their careers in a nutshell.

And Melo was fouled but no call. Knicks in a nutshell.

+1 Perfect.

And Melo's playing with nobodies, so they aren't bothering to guard anyone else.

+100000 Excellent post!!!

Melo hasn't played with anyone his whole career!

......uhhh guess we can't use that excuse again.

A collection of shots to tie or take the lead in the final 24 seconds of games in both the regular season and playoffs. Both the sample size and field goal percentages diminished in this scenario. We took the top 12 active guys of the past 6 years (since 2006-07). Now we're down to the nitty gritty – the clutchest of all clutchness.

Final 24 seconds since 2006:

Player	   FG	  FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	Ast'd	%Ast'd
Kobe	   22	  63	0.349	10	27	0.370	7	0.318
Melo	   15	  40	0.375	3	13	0.231	4	0.267
Pierce	    9	  37	0.243	2	8	0.250	2	0.222
Wade	   10	  53	0.189	5	25	0.200	2	0.200
LeBron	   18	  61	0.295	2	26	0.077	4	0.222
JJ	    9	  44	0.205	1	11	0.091	0	0.000
R.Allen	   17	  42	0.405	13	27	0.481	11	0.647
Gay	   16	  41	0.390	5	15	0.333	4	0.250
D-Will	   19	  48	0.396	3	13	0.231	4	0.211
Durant	   17	  63	0.270	9	31	0.290	12	0.706
Rose	    9	  40	0.225	1	7	0.143	2	0.222
Roy	   16	  38	0.421	6	14	0.429	2	0.125
Avg.	  14.8	 47.5	0.314	5.0	18.1	0.261	4.5	0.282

http://www.libertyballers.com/2012/2/29/2832299/lebron-james-kobe-bryant-dwyane-wade-clutch-nba-playoffs-4th-quarter

I'm sure this is all because of Billups, or playing with Nene! Or KMart!! It must have been Kmart's HOF playmaking ability!
I mean, but how could any of this actually compare when PP had to play with KG or Rondo or Ray Allen dragging his game down?

Here endeth the lesson.

Nalod wrote:http://www.celticsblog.com/2016/6/13/11919818/nba-trade-rumor-celtics-shopping-3-pick-aggressively

Lopez + dwill for #3 + Amir Johnson?

earthmansurfer wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

Nalod wrote:http://www.celticsblog.com/2016/6/13/11919818/nba-trade-rumor-celtics-shopping-3-pick-aggressively

Lopez + dwill for #3 + Amir Johnson?

Dwill is out of the picture, you don't just swap a recently signed guy.
But I don'T think they would want to trade Lopez, he is very very good. And for FA's looking here, how does that look? Unless a center of course!

It only make sense if they want Melo or Love and Melo wont to go to them or Clev

jrodmc wrote:

arkrud wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

Nalod wrote:http://www.celticsblog.com/2016/6/13/11919818/nba-trade-rumor-celtics-shopping-3-pick-aggressively

Lopez + dwill for #3 + Amir Johnson?

Dwill is out of the picture, you don't just swap a recently signed guy.
But I don'T think they would want to trade Lopez, he is very very good. And for FA's looking here, how does that look? Unless a center of course!

It only make sense if they want Melo or Love and Melo wont to go to them or Clev

Yeah, because Melo turned down the opportunity to play in LA or win in Chicago or Houston because he's actually been dying to go to Boston. Or Cleveland. Great for the brand.

Yes, I agree that this is unlikely.
Melo will play this 3 years in NY.
Chip or no chip he will have his brand served the best in NY.
And he may actually end up on good team for a change in his last year or 2.
Him going is a quick fix... and quick fixes as we all now are not happening in NY.

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

arkrud wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

Nalod wrote:http://www.celticsblog.com/2016/6/13/11919818/nba-trade-rumor-celtics-shopping-3-pick-aggressively

Lopez + dwill for #3 + Amir Johnson?

Dwill is out of the picture, you don't just swap a recently signed guy.
But I don'T think they would want to trade Lopez, he is very very good. And for FA's looking here, how does that look? Unless a center of course!

It only make sense if they want Melo or Love and Melo wont to go to them or Clev

Yeah, because Melo turned down the opportunity to play in LA or win in Chicago or Houston because he's actually been dying to go to Boston. Or Cleveland. Great for the brand.

Yes, I agree that this is unlikely.
Melo will play this 3 years in NY.
Chip or no chip he will have his brand served the best in NY.
And he may actually end up on good team for a change in his last year or 2.
Him going is a quick fix... and quick fixes as we all now are not happening in NY.

Agree he will stay. Don't agree about the brand comment. This is not the 80's when there were only a few big market city's in which to build a brand. That is no longer the case. And due to state income tax, its actually hurts to be in NY if all you want to do is build a brand. Funny how we complain no one wants to come here but we knock the only All Star that does?

Do you know any NBA star who get more money in contracts and endorsements that Melo get in last 5 years combined in NY?
I think it is only one called Kobe... So do not underestimate Melo brilliance as businessman and entertainer.
He knows were the money are - in Manhattan.

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

arkrud wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

Nalod wrote:http://www.celticsblog.com/2016/6/13/11919818/nba-trade-rumor-celtics-shopping-3-pick-aggressively

Lopez + dwill for #3 + Amir Johnson?

Dwill is out of the picture, you don't just swap a recently signed guy.
But I don'T think they would want to trade Lopez, he is very very good. And for FA's looking here, how does that look? Unless a center of course!

It only make sense if they want Melo or Love and Melo wont to go to them or Clev

Yeah, because Melo turned down the opportunity to play in LA or win in Chicago or Houston because he's actually been dying to go to Boston. Or Cleveland. Great for the brand.

Yes, I agree that this is unlikely.
Melo will play this 3 years in NY.
Chip or no chip he will have his brand served the best in NY.
And he may actually end up on good team for a change in his last year or 2.
Him going is a quick fix... and quick fixes as we all now are not happening in NY.

Agree he will stay. Don't agree about the brand comment. This is not the 80's when there were only a few big market city's in which to build a brand. That is no longer the case. And due to state income tax, its actually hurts to be in NY if all you want to do is build a brand. Funny how we complain no one wants to come here but we knock the only All Star that does?

Do you know any NBA star who get more money in contracts and endorsements that Melo get in last 5 years combined in NY?
I think it is only one called Kobe... So do not underestimate Melo brilliance as businessman and entertainer.
He knows were the money are - in Manhattan.

According to this list he isn't top 5. Kobe is the only guy in a traditional big market city. http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/5-nba-players-earning-the-most-money-from-endorsements-in-2016.html/?a=viewall

So then tell me again why he forced his way here?
He's greedy and all about digital branding, but doesn't make as much as others in other small market cities.

I guess he sux at being a businessman too. Poor CAA, poor melo, poor knicks.

And I love how the PP is the greater clutch player argument dropped off the table.

It's mid-June and the NTC is still there guys!