knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

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Bonn1997 wrote:

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Bonn1997 wrote:

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Bonn1997 wrote:

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yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

Maybe we can find some idiot Knick-like team that makes the playoffs one year and after losing in the 1st or 2nd rd trade for Melo and proceed to win only 37,17 & 28 games the following 3yrs.

Like I said at the deadline. I'd trade Melo for expirings and 2 late second rd picks. Just end it already.

guys like you would trade lance Thomas for melo and 2 first rounders, then scream JUST END IT ALREADY!!Never mind the future

Well, he didn't completely describe the trade. He meant, he'd trade Melo for an expiring, 2nd round picks, and 24 mil per year in cap space. If you use that money reasonably well, I'm willing to bet we'll be a much better than .394 team. You can get a lot more than what Melo gives for 24 mil dollars a year. We need to cut our losses in this contract before it gets even worse. If we actually get anything beyond cap space (picks, good players), that's gravy.

we spent 28 million last off season, how much better are we

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Melo's contract is a symptom of a problem (overpaying relative to production) that is evident in most of Phil's and Dolan's decisions.

seems to be the case with athletes in general, we'll always have over price athletes on our roster, funny your concern now when most FA's are bout to sign contracts that will make melo's look like a 3 for dollar cheap

The salary cap won't go up nearly enough for that. He's become a low efficiency volume scorer who doesn't excel in any other areas of the game. I wouldn't spend more than around $10 mil a year for that, and even then that's stretching it. So how does $10 mil now translate to $23 mil future seasons? Maybe if the salary cap is almost tripling and he doesn't further decline, his salary will be appropriate.

So for that, you ll make a even dumber move by trading him for trash. He has a NTC, who do think will gain off that trade.

Remember we traded Ewing in the last yr of his contract to add more long term contracts..that's what want, cause that's what yo will get

We get cap space that can be used much better if the GM is making intelligent decisions. If we get anything else, that's just gravy.
Undoubtedly, trading him could make the team's situation worse if the trade is not based on sound reasoning.

sound reasoning with this franchise...Name me a time when that happen. I have been a knick fan for over 25 yrs, we always get hood wink in every single trade since Camby for oakly..

Why not just wait until his contract expires, and have all the cap space you need, if your saying you won't win a title in 3yrs, with or without him, mind as well let it run it's course.

Well, if you're assuming that the franchise won't make sound decisions (a reasonable assumption), then sure, nothing we discuss here really matters. We'll be screwed even after Melo retires as long as Dolan is here. I'm discussing this from the perspective of what I think a well run organization has to do.

I would rather have melo, keep some kind of core for more than a week, and see if we can add some solid role players, or trade the other non relevant pieces like Galloway, lance, KOQ, seraphin, dwill..trade all of them for a really good player

I completely agree. I am always open to a move that will make us better and if it's Melo being dealt because it's mutually beneficial than so be it, but i would rather have Melo and build with him, KP, and Lopez and go from there. I just think people overlook certain aspects of Melo. Yes he says some dumb things while being baited by the media, and has plenty of flaws as a player. But generally speaking there is no reason for people not to like him. He wants to be here, wants to win in NY, has made adjustments in his game for the better of the team, and has improved as a leader. I want guys who want to be here. Yes he wanted his money first and foremost, but who can blame him? We all work for money. I'll continue to be a sucker, but i want to build with KP eventually being the #1 guy, Melo lessening his load and remaining a good scorer, and i want to keep fighting in free agency for someone to come. A lot of opportunities. Maybe TheBrotherhood brings CP3 to NY in 2017. Maybe Westbrook is finally ready to get out of the west and try his chances in the east. These guys will come because Melo is here and KP is emerging. Like i said i'm a sucker, but i want to keep taking my chances and see what happens. I feel more confident with those small chances than being able to rebuild properly around some rookies.

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Finestrg wrote:Here's my take on this -- gun to my head, we're not winning with Melo. I pray I'm wrong because I think he's here for the duration. I just feel the skills are eroding, he's had some injury concerns (with a possibility of more on the way), I don't like his attitude at all to be honest, he lacks true perspective & leadership skills and I question how many guys around the league really want to come play with him. Again, I'd give anything to be wrong but say I'm right--what's the better way to eventually get better: (A) bring in Rondo, Conley Jr. or Batum (do any of these guys truly want to come here or will they just use us as leverage to get a top contract? And then do any of these 3 really make us that much better?), team one of them up with Melo and not win much over the next couple of years AND THEN REBUILD --OR-- try to get something for the guy now before the skills erode completely/before he finally does break down and fast-track the rebuilding process asap? I see the latter as the more favorable option fellas, sorry to say.

so do you like westbrooks attitude, or KD (who's been breaking down already) or rose, or griffin, bron, or jr or shump or love, or Rubio, or who the fck ever.

There's no perfect player out there, and barely any leaders out there, which explain why there is only 2 title contenders in the entire league, everybody else is super average and continue to trade, draft, trade draft, yr after year. Most NBA teams don't even have a core today.

The NBA is pure trash and 85% of the games aren't worth watching for more then a quarter or 2 at best.

Anthony davis making 30 mill this yr, and isn't close to championship level, he makes no one better around him(although he's elevated his own game) will be traded before that contract is up..

Build a core, instead of pressing the reset button every 6 months

Can't build a core without draft picks.Had the Knicks had their pick this year the trade Melo chatter would be less.

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

Maybe we can find some idiot Knick-like team that makes the playoffs one year and after losing in the 1st or 2nd rd trade for Melo and proceed to win only 37,17 & 28 games the following 3yrs.

Like I said at the deadline. I'd trade Melo for expirings and 2 late second rd picks. Just end it already.

guys like you would trade lance Thomas for melo and 2 first rounders, then scream JUST END IT ALREADY!!Never mind the future

Well, he didn't completely describe the trade. He meant, he'd trade Melo for an expiring, 2nd round picks, and 24 mil per year in cap space. If you use that money reasonably well, I'm willing to bet we'll be a much better than .394 team. You can get a lot more than what Melo gives for 24 mil dollars a year. We need to cut our losses in this contract before it gets even worse. If we actually get anything beyond cap space (picks, good players), that's gravy.

we spent 28 million last off season, how much better are we

See bold
Melo's contract is a symptom of a problem (overpaying relative to production) that is evident in most of Phil's and Dolan's decisions.

seems to be the case with athletes in general, we'll always have over price athletes on our roster, funny your concern now when most FA's are bout to sign contracts that will make melo's look like a 3 for dollar cheap

The salary cap won't go up nearly enough for that. He's become a low efficiency volume scorer who doesn't excel in any other areas of the game. I wouldn't spend more than around $10 mil a year for that, and even then that's stretching it. So how does $10 mil now translate to $23 mil future seasons? Maybe if the salary cap is almost tripling and he doesn't further decline, his salary will be appropriate.

So for that, you ll make a even dumber move by trading him for trash. He has a NTC, who do think will gain off that trade.

Remember we traded Ewing in the last yr of his contract to add more long term contracts..that's what want, cause that's what yo will get

We get cap space that can be used much better if the GM is making intelligent decisions. If we get anything else, that's just gravy.
Undoubtedly, trading him could make the team's situation worse if the trade is not based on sound reasoning.

sound reasoning with this franchise...Name me a time when that happen. I have been a knick fan for over 25 yrs, we always get hood wink in every single trade since Camby for oakly..

Why not just wait until his contract expires, and have all the cap space you need, if your saying you won't win a title in 3yrs, with or without him, mind as well let it run it's course.

Because it would be 10+years for us to contend or even make the playoffs as opposed to 5yrs.

Do the math