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Id rather trade him IF the right deal is there---top 7 pick + one mid range pick 2 2's and a good young player. Build around KP and Grant--looking for players who can play a faster tempo. More guards
Trade him and build a team for 7-10 yearsaround kp and Grant with guys around the same age
Sign a free agent and just go for it with what we have here
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3/13/2016  9:08 AM
callmened wrote:melo is getting traded? it wouldnt shock me if he stays. lol, how are we getting draft picks or young assets if melo stays?

i forget the person who post it in another post but it was HILARIOUS.

i'll paraphrase: "what language do you people need to understand, spanish? melo has a no trade clause and will not be traded unless he says so"

the real poll question should be: 1) do you point a gun at melo's head and force him to be traded? 2) do the knicks realize that he might not be traded and simply plan with melo around?

disclaimer - the gun reference was a joke and i dont support pointing a gun at anyone's head!

Nota bad idea, we could Suge Night Vanilla Ice him

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3/13/2016  9:09 AM
BRIGGS wrote:If I could trade Melo in the "right" deal--and I think his value has kind of jumped up over the last few weeks imho-I would do it. It would have to be the right deal meaning 2 first rounders one of them higher than 10 and 2 high 2's. If I can do a deal and get the guards I want--I would do it. The fans will love to see all of the new players and will be PATIENT---grabbing Conley or whoever with melo--if we lose--there will be NO mercy from the fans.

Briggs where do you thnk Valentine goes? I've seen most predicting him going in the late teens. If he does even if we don't trade Melo we may be able to get that pick
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3/13/2016  9:18 AM
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EnySpree wrote:I don't get you retards.

The only way we can win is if we become Philly for 10 years and just keep stockpiling picks until we get some good players by the grace of God? Hire Luke Walton and tell him were going tu sick for 10 years. Nurture? Why not hire Doctor Phil?

Yet the climate surrounding the Knicks is so disgusting. Scrapping the Knicks and losing every year is what you want?

The truth is were building for the future and trying to win now at the same time. You ignorant fans can't see it. We have Kristaps, Grant, Derrick, Cleananthony, Wroten, Galloway.... we have Gomez in Spain. We have that french kid. We have one of the best d league teams out there.

Even with Melo the Knicks cap situation is fantastic. We can afford another max deal this summer or ad 2 or 3 quality guys to help out.

What more do you want? We are in a fantastic situation

+1

Of course, what you get from the most vocal around here is we should be like Philly so we can be like Golden State in 5 or 6 years. Phil just spent two years ripping this whole franchise apart, getting much younger and not over-starphucquing. But the MeloHate needs to revert to grasping at straws by screaming tank! Tank! TANK! and coming up with 5000 trade scenarios per day along with hopeful circle jerk plans about the only franchise player we have on the roster waiving his no trade clause so he can now go play somewhere, ANYWHERE else to win a chip. It's so nice. They hate the DOUCHE so bad, but they want him, for the pure love of the game, to go win a chip in Cleveland or Houston or Chicago.

+1

This is all spot on. We don't have one bad contract on the books (Calderon is hardly a cap killer) and the best young talent we have ever had, and plenty of cap space. For some reason everyone thinks we can't properly rebuild and attempt to get competitive now at the same time. It doesn't have to be one or the other, we can do both. We don't have to go Philly route, it hardly ever works out the way its supposed to. Phil is doing it the right way, it's just going to take time.

Yes and if Melo was 27 that strategy would be fine but he will be 32 when next season starts. Melo on this roster will force bad decisions for the sake of squeaking into the playoffs. I won't be surprised if Dolan forces Phil to make a bad trade with our future lottery picks

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3/13/2016  9:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/13/2016  9:25 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:If I could trade Melo in the "right" deal--and I think his value has kind of jumped up over the last few weeks imho-I would do it. It would have to be the right deal meaning 2 first rounders one of them higher than 10 and 2 high 2's. If I can do a deal and get the guards I want--I would do it. The fans will love to see all of the new players and will be PATIENT---grabbing Conley or whoever with melo--if we lose--there will be NO mercy from the fans.

The NY media has been completely unrealistic with this rebuild. Phil hasn't been great but its next to impossible to rebuild a roster when you don't own draft picks. You can't have everyone of your rotation players be FA's. You have to have a core group of young players on cheap controlled contracts.


He's had 2 first round picks in 2 years, and every contract on the team is one he gave out. I'm not saying the team you inherit has no bearing on the results but I did expect we'd be doing better by now when he took over.
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3/13/2016  10:26 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:If I could trade Melo in the "right" deal--and I think his value has kind of jumped up over the last few weeks imho-I would do it. It would have to be the right deal meaning 2 first rounders one of them higher than 10 and 2 high 2's. If I can do a deal and get the guards I want--I would do it. The fans will love to see all of the new players and will be PATIENT---grabbing Conley or whoever with melo--if we lose--there will be NO mercy from the fans.

The NY media has been completely unrealistic with this rebuild. Phil hasn't been great but its next to impossible to rebuild a roster when you don't own draft picks. You can't have everyone of your rotation players be FA's. You have to have a core group of young players on cheap controlled contracts.


He's had 2 first round picks in 2 years, and every contract on the team is one he gave out. I'm not saying the team you inherit has no bearing on the results but I did expect we'd be doing better by now when he took over.


Don't forget the 4 2nd rd picks.

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yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:If I could trade Melo in the "right" deal--and I think his value has kind of jumped up over the last few weeks imho-I would do it. It would have to be the right deal meaning 2 first rounders one of them higher than 10 and 2 high 2's. If I can do a deal and get the guards I want--I would do it. The fans will love to see all of the new players and will be PATIENT---grabbing Conley or whoever with melo--if we lose--there will be NO mercy from the fans.

The NY media has been completely unrealistic with this rebuild. Phil hasn't been great but its next to impossible to rebuild a roster when you don't own draft picks. You can't have everyone of your rotation players be FA's. You have to have a core group of young players on cheap controlled contracts.


He's had 2 first round picks in 2 years, and every contract on the team is one he gave out. I'm not saying the team you inherit has no bearing on the results but I did expect we'd be doing better by now when he took over.


Don't forget the 4 2nd rd picks.

and wroten

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:If I could trade Melo in the "right" deal--and I think his value has kind of jumped up over the last few weeks imho-I would do it. It would have to be the right deal meaning 2 first rounders one of them higher than 10 and 2 high 2's. If I can do a deal and get the guards I want--I would do it. The fans will love to see all of the new players and will be PATIENT---grabbing Conley or whoever with melo--if we lose--there will be NO mercy from the fans.

The NY media has been completely unrealistic with this rebuild. Phil hasn't been great but its next to impossible to rebuild a roster when you don't own draft picks. You can't have everyone of your rotation players be FA's. You have to have a core group of young players on cheap controlled contracts.


He's had 2 first round picks in 2 years, and every contract on the team is one he gave out. I'm not saying the team you inherit has no bearing on the results but I did expect we'd be doing better by now when he took over.


Don't forget the 4 2nd rd picks.

and wroten

LOL - good one. You could say we've had 3 1st round picks in the last 9 months!

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Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:If I could trade Melo in the "right" deal--and I think his value has kind of jumped up over the last few weeks imho-I would do it. It would have to be the right deal meaning 2 first rounders one of them higher than 10 and 2 high 2's. If I can do a deal and get the guards I want--I would do it. The fans will love to see all of the new players and will be PATIENT---grabbing Conley or whoever with melo--if we lose--there will be NO mercy from the fans.

The NY media has been completely unrealistic with this rebuild. Phil hasn't been great but its next to impossible to rebuild a roster when you don't own draft picks. You can't have everyone of your rotation players be FA's. You have to have a core group of young players on cheap controlled contracts.


He's had 2 first round picks in 2 years, and every contract on the team is one he gave out. I'm not saying the team you inherit has no bearing on the results but I did expect we'd be doing better by now when he took over.


Don't forget the 4 2nd rd picks.

and wroten

LOL - good one. You could say we've had 3 1st round picks in the last 9 months!

Yes. N'Dour, Wroten and Jimmer.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/13/2016  5:21 PM
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:If I could trade Melo in the "right" deal--and I think his value has kind of jumped up over the last few weeks imho-I would do it. It would have to be the right deal meaning 2 first rounders one of them higher than 10 and 2 high 2's. If I can do a deal and get the guards I want--I would do it. The fans will love to see all of the new players and will be PATIENT---grabbing Conley or whoever with melo--if we lose--there will be NO mercy from the fans.

The NY media has been completely unrealistic with this rebuild. Phil hasn't been great but its next to impossible to rebuild a roster when you don't own draft picks. You can't have everyone of your rotation players be FA's. You have to have a core group of young players on cheap controlled contracts.


He's had 2 first round picks in 2 years, and every contract on the team is one he gave out. I'm not saying the team you inherit has no bearing on the results but I did expect we'd be doing better by now when he took over.


Don't forget the 4 2nd rd picks.

and wroten

LOL - good one. You could say we've had 3 1st round picks in the last 9 months!

Yes. N'Dour, Wroten and Jimmer.

So what's the excuse for the Sixers who've had tons of picks and a total rebuild? Bucks are right there with us and the Wiz and Magic can't brag either. It's not easy to build a winning team in a hurry. You can do all you can and still fall short. I think Phil hoped for more from Gallo and Jerian to help offset Jose's weaknesses. When our guards were playing well the team was playing above expectations. Then AA fell off and the young guards lost their way as well. Melo and LT had injuries and KP hit the wall. Things like that happen to a lot of teams that are trying to build a team. That's why those other teams haven't exactly found consistency either.

Knicks are still in a good position to improve from within and with additions. It's gonna be very interesting to see what Phil actually gets done this summer.

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The sad part is the Knicks are actually worse one of the group because in their minds and gullible fans, they think this team is a Calderon upgrade to winning. The Sixers were in the playoffs when they decided to break it all the way down and stay away from mediocrity. I applaud them for having the balls to actually do that. The Wizards should be better and I'm actually surprised they aren't because they've always had injuries and seemed to come on top of those.

The Bucks and Magic are clearly rebuilding. The Bucks I don't think have a player over 30 other than Novak that they just claimed. 10 of their players are 25 and younger. Orlando is their near identical, 1 player over 30 and 10 players 25 and under.

The Knicks have 7 under 25, but 5 over 30, and three of those five are leading the team in minutes played.

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nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:If I could trade Melo in the "right" deal--and I think his value has kind of jumped up over the last few weeks imho-I would do it. It would have to be the right deal meaning 2 first rounders one of them higher than 10 and 2 high 2's. If I can do a deal and get the guards I want--I would do it. The fans will love to see all of the new players and will be PATIENT---grabbing Conley or whoever with melo--if we lose--there will be NO mercy from the fans.

The NY media has been completely unrealistic with this rebuild. Phil hasn't been great but its next to impossible to rebuild a roster when you don't own draft picks. You can't have everyone of your rotation players be FA's. You have to have a core group of young players on cheap controlled contracts.


He's had 2 first round picks in 2 years, and every contract on the team is one he gave out. I'm not saying the team you inherit has no bearing on the results but I did expect we'd be doing better by now when he took over.


Don't forget the 4 2nd rd picks.

and wroten

LOL - good one. You could say we've had 3 1st round picks in the last 9 months!

Yes. N'Dour, Wroten and Jimmer.

So what's the excuse for the Sixers who've had tons of picks and a total rebuild? Bucks are right there with us and the Wiz and Magic can't brag either. It's not easy to build a winning team in a hurry. You can do all you can and still fall short. I think Phil hoped for more from Gallo and Jerian to help offset Jose's weaknesses. When our guards were playing well the team was playing above expectations. Then AA fell off and the young guards lost their way as well. Melo and LT had injuries and KP hit the wall. Things like that happen to a lot of teams that are trying to build a team. That's why those other teams haven't exactly found consistency either.

Knicks are still in a good position to improve from within and with additions. It's gonna be very interesting to see what Phil actually gets done this summer.

Phil is a smart guy. He was not silly enough to over expect from Jerian.

Philly has no excuses, they don't need any because they are tanking. In a few years they may need excuses but chances are that in five years they won't be any worse than us and at least they will have tried to hit on many jackpots while we hope for 1 rookie like grant or for guys like N'dour and Wroten and Jimmer and Seraphin etc ... to save us. Those are horrible horrible odds.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/13/2016  6:09 PM
knickscity wrote:The sad part is the Knicks are actually worse one of the group because in their minds and gullible fans, they think this team is a Calderon upgrade to winning. The Sixers were in the playoffs when they decided to break it all the way down and stay away from mediocrity. I applaud them for having the balls to actually do that. The Wizards should be better and I'm actually surprised they aren't because they've always had injuries and seemed to come on top of those.

The Bucks and Magic are clearly rebuilding. The Bucks I don't think have a player over 30 other than Novak that they just claimed. 10 of their players are 25 and younger. Orlando is their near identical, 1 player over 30 and 10 players 25 and under.

The Knicks have 7 under 25, but 5 over 30, and three of those five are leading the team in minutes played.

knicks fans love killing philly but the joke is on the knicks who are stuck in NBA purgatory.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The sad part is the Knicks are actually worse one of the group because in their minds and gullible fans, they think this team is a Calderon upgrade to winning. The Sixers were in the playoffs when they decided to break it all the way down and stay away from mediocrity. I applaud them for having the balls to actually do that. The Wizards should be better and I'm actually surprised they aren't because they've always had injuries and seemed to come on top of those.

The Bucks and Magic are clearly rebuilding. The Bucks I don't think have a player over 30 other than Novak that they just claimed. 10 of their players are 25 and younger. Orlando is their near identical, 1 player over 30 and 10 players 25 and under.

The Knicks have 7 under 25, but 5 over 30, and three of those five are leading the team in minutes played.

knicks fans love killing philly but the joke is on the knicks who are stuck in NBA purgatory.

Why are the Knicks stuck in purgatory? Ok everything didn't work out this year however, seems to me that our frontcourt players are fine and KP and RoLo should get better. What we need most and it's no secret, is improved performance from our backcourt players. We can expect additions and hope for some internal growth for next year, so there's a chance this team can upgrade enough to become the winning team they should be.


PLAYER GP GS MIN PPG OFFR DEFR RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FPG A/TO PER
Carmelo Anthony, SF 60 60 35.4 21.8 1.4 6.6 8.0 4.2 0.88 0.53 2.5 2.4 1.7 20.5
Kristaps Porzingis, PF 65 65 27.8 14.0 1.8 5.4 7.2 1.2 0.77 1.88 1.6 2.9 0.8 18.2

Arron Afflalo, SG 56 56 34.3 13.9 0.3 3.5 3.8 2.0 0.38 0.16 1.1 2.1 1.8 12.2
Robin Lopez, C 67 67 26.4 10.1 3.1 3.9 7.0 1.3 0.19 1.43 1.6 2.4 0.8 17.8
Jose Calderon, PG 63 63 28.3 7.6 0.3 2.9 3.1 4.1 0.87 0.11 1.2 1.8 3.3 12.3

Derrick Williams, PF 65 1 16.6 8.9 0.6 2.9 3.5 0.8 0.37 0.11 0.6 0.8 1.3 18.0
Lance Thomas, SF 59 5 22.3 8.2 0.6 1.6 2.2 0.9 0.37 0.12 1.0 1.8 0.9 10.6
Langston Galloway, SG 67 7 24.9 7.6 0.6 3.1 3.7 2.3 0.84 0.24 0.7 2.3 3.2 11.5
Jerian Grant, PG 61 0 15.5 4.8 0.3 1.5 1.8 2.4 0.57 0.11 1.1 1.3 2.2 10.3
Kyle O'Quinn, PF 54 1 11.4 4.7 1.1 2.5 3.6 1.1 0.35 0.72 1.0 1.6 1.1 18.0

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mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The sad part is the Knicks are actually worse one of the group because in their minds and gullible fans, they think this team is a Calderon upgrade to winning. The Sixers were in the playoffs when they decided to break it all the way down and stay away from mediocrity. I applaud them for having the balls to actually do that. The Wizards should be better and I'm actually surprised they aren't because they've always had injuries and seemed to come on top of those.

The Bucks and Magic are clearly rebuilding. The Bucks I don't think have a player over 30 other than Novak that they just claimed. 10 of their players are 25 and younger. Orlando is their near identical, 1 player over 30 and 10 players 25 and under.

The Knicks have 7 under 25, but 5 over 30, and three of those five are leading the team in minutes played.

knicks fans love killing philly but the joke is on the knicks who are stuck in NBA purgatory.

Why are the Knicks stuck in purgatory? Ok everything didn't work out this year however, seems to me that our frontcourt players are fine and KP and RoLo should get better. What we need most and it's no secret, is improved performance from our backcourt players. We can expect additions and hope for some internal growth for next year, so there's a chance this team can upgrade enough to become the winning team they should be.


PLAYER GP GS MIN PPG OFFR DEFR RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FPG A/TO PER
Carmelo Anthony, SF 60 60 35.4 21.8 1.4 6.6 8.0 4.2 0.88 0.53 2.5 2.4 1.7 20.5
Kristaps Porzingis, PF 65 65 27.8 14.0 1.8 5.4 7.2 1.2 0.77 1.88 1.6 2.9 0.8 18.2

Arron Afflalo, SG 56 56 34.3 13.9 0.3 3.5 3.8 2.0 0.38 0.16 1.1 2.1 1.8 12.2
Robin Lopez, C 67 67 26.4 10.1 3.1 3.9 7.0 1.3 0.19 1.43 1.6 2.4 0.8 17.8
Jose Calderon, PG 63 63 28.3 7.6 0.3 2.9 3.1 4.1 0.87 0.11 1.2 1.8 3.3 12.3

Derrick Williams, PF 65 1 16.6 8.9 0.6 2.9 3.5 0.8 0.37 0.11 0.6 0.8 1.3 18.0
Lance Thomas, SF 59 5 22.3 8.2 0.6 1.6 2.2 0.9 0.37 0.12 1.0 1.8 0.9 10.6
Langston Galloway, SG 67 7 24.9 7.6 0.6 3.1 3.7 2.3 0.84 0.24 0.7 2.3 3.2 11.5
Jerian Grant, PG 61 0 15.5 4.8 0.3 1.5 1.8 2.4 0.57 0.11 1.1 1.3 2.2 10.3
Kyle O'Quinn, PF 54 1 11.4 4.7 1.1 2.5 3.6 1.1 0.35 0.72 1.0 1.6 1.1 18.0

there is always a chance that anyone can just flip the switch and become better but chances are that this will not happen.

(I guess) that its commendable that you could coming back with hopeful predictions even though they are usually way off.

You kill the media and you kill vegas and nobody knows anything but you should pick one outlet and test your predictions against theirs and see how you do over a 2-3 year period.

Phil has to hit a grand slam in FA and of course that will be a giant task will most likely come up short. Are you ready for that or will you just laude his moves and overpredict until we fail?

By the time KP is a good enough player to consistently contribute, melo will be done. He is already on an obvious decline.

I love Rolo but he may not be the right fit for us the way we are constructed. Our front line is far from dominant and is ill constructed do to time/age constraints.

Everyone else flat out sucks or is below average.

I would take philly's package in a millisecond over ours. Big problem for philly is that they are in philly.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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Our frontcourt is a role player, an often injured declining star, and a rookie that we're counting on the coach we haven't even hired to develop him. I wouldn't call it purgatory, but we are a long ways away from winning. We're closer to the Sixers than people will admit to. Definitely nowhere near a winning team.
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knickscity wrote:Our frontcourt is a role player, an often injured declining star, and a rookie that we're counting on the coach we haven't even hired to develop him. I wouldn't call it purgatory, but we are a long ways away from winning. We're closer to the Sixers than people will admit to. Definitely nowhere near a winning team.

we are the exact definition of a team in nba purgatory

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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knickscity wrote:Our frontcourt is a role player, an often injured declining star, and a rookie that we're counting on the coach we haven't even hired to develop him. I wouldn't call it purgatory, but we are a long ways away from winning. We're closer to the Sixers than people will admit to. Definitely nowhere near a winning team.

we are the exact definition of a team in nba purgatory

Is there a team outside of GSW, SAS, Cle, Tor, and Bos that is not also in no mans land? As good as Boston and Tor have improve they still have a long way to go to be real contenders. OKC, LAC, Mem, Dallas, ATL, Chi and everyone else are just fooling themselves. Are they in a better state than the knicks sure but will they watch the finals with the knicks sure.


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yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:Our frontcourt is a role player, an often injured declining star, and a rookie that we're counting on the coach we haven't even hired to develop him. I wouldn't call it purgatory, but we are a long ways away from winning. We're closer to the Sixers than people will admit to. Definitely nowhere near a winning team.

we are the exact definition of a team in nba purgatory

Is there a team outside of GSW, SAS, Cle, Tor, and Bos that is not also in no mans land? As good as Boston and Tor have improve they still have a long way to go to be real contenders. OKC, LAC, Mem, Dallas, ATL, Chi and everyone else are just fooling themselves. Are they in a better state than the knicks sure but will they watch the finals with the knicks sure.


28 teams are gonna watch the finals....lol. I guess they should deliberately build a terrible team and not even try to qualify for the playoffs? Most of those teams have cores that are good enough to remain in those positions for a few more years, so yes, they are not anywhere near the Knicks. Even a team like the Grizzlies who are quite old found small ways to get younger even in the interim, and still win games.

The Knicks are closer to the Sixers, and you'd better hope Melo doesn't get smart enough to realize it.

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knickscity wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:Our frontcourt is a role player, an often injured declining star, and a rookie that we're counting on the coach we haven't even hired to develop him. I wouldn't call it purgatory, but we are a long ways away from winning. We're closer to the Sixers than people will admit to. Definitely nowhere near a winning team.

we are the exact definition of a team in nba purgatory

Is there a team outside of GSW, SAS, Cle, Tor, and Bos that is not also in no mans land? As good as Boston and Tor have improve they still have a long way to go to be real contenders. OKC, LAC, Mem, Dallas, ATL, Chi and everyone else are just fooling themselves. Are they in a better state than the knicks sure but will they watch the finals with the knicks sure.


28 teams are gonna watch the finals....lol. I guess they should deliberately build a terrible team and not even try to qualify for the playoffs? Most of those teams have cores that are good enough to remain in those positions for a few more years, so yes, they are not anywhere near the Knicks. Even a team like the Grizzlies who are quite old found small ways to get younger even in the interim, and still win games.

The Knicks are closer to the Sixers, and you'd better hope Melo doesn't get smart enough to realize it.

Closer to the sixers than those other teams maybe. Deliberately build a terrible team is probably exactly what some fans want. They want to pick up draft picks or pieces to get them in a similar but slightly better state which probably leads to another trade/FA signing that will put the team over the hump. Would that be better as a fan to be an OKC, LAC, or etc fan, sure I guess but if the knicks had that kind of success the board will still be similar to it is today. Complaining about the offense, FO, and coaching.

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3/13/2016  8:25 PM
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The sad part is the Knicks are actually worse one of the group because in their minds and gullible fans, they think this team is a Calderon upgrade to winning. The Sixers were in the playoffs when they decided to break it all the way down and stay away from mediocrity. I applaud them for having the balls to actually do that. The Wizards should be better and I'm actually surprised they aren't because they've always had injuries and seemed to come on top of those.

The Bucks and Magic are clearly rebuilding. The Bucks I don't think have a player over 30 other than Novak that they just claimed. 10 of their players are 25 and younger. Orlando is their near identical, 1 player over 30 and 10 players 25 and under.

The Knicks have 7 under 25, but 5 over 30, and three of those five are leading the team in minutes played.

knicks fans love killing philly but the joke is on the knicks who are stuck in NBA purgatory.

Philly is just a prime example of how hard it is build a winning team in the NBA. Just like the Bulls post Jordan era. Just like Orlando, Pheniox, and Clippers and Denver for most of there exsistence. Denver got all those assets and cap space from the Melo trade. Lead to 2 first round exits and another rebuild a couple yrs later. But at least they didn't overpay anyone. At least they had assets reguardless of the actual result. If some of you held every process to the same standards rather then holding only the teams that dont follow your exact line of thinking to a certain level then you would see that the failure rate for most plans are high and those who get lucky with some hits end up successful. GSW and Spurs and Dallas and Lakers and Celtics and Heat won championships with less invested lotto picks then all those teams named above and more.

If Phlly like the Bulls were to go a decade of losing. Its okay as long as they didn't over pay anyone? Or as long as they tried with lotto picks its cool. Because one day maybe they get lucky and one of there picks because a superstar? When its possible just like the Bulls and Jimmy Butler, Spurs Parker, Ginobli, Leonard, Lakers with Kobe Dallas with Dirk, Boston with Pierce Indy with George etc etc etc etc to get lucky and hit on a stud player.

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For next year--seeing what you see now would you rather we trade Melo in the "right deal" or keep him and buy a free a

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