nyknickzingis wrote:Knicks should go hard after Luke Walton in the summer as well as a PG like Conley.
We can talk about this thread again, then.
A younger smart head coach who knows the Triangle but will also install some of the offense Golden State runs.
A point guard that can actually take the pressure of Melo as the primary ballhandler or ball monopolizer. A PG that can make the team less reliant on the Triangle for offense creativity.

Knicks 2 main targets this summer should be going all out in free agency for Mike Conley and next to try and get Luke to NY.

No to both.

First, Conley is not that good and he is going to be on the wrong side of 28. Hopefully, he doesn't leave.

Second, as much as I like Luke Walton, they're not running the triangle in G State, its a variation on many things, including MDA's system. And he certainly ain't going to leave the best franchise in the world today for this **** show. I doubt there is enough money to convince him otherwise.

But if he does, how is he going to be a better teacher of the triangle than either Fisher or Rambis? He's not.

If he were allowed to run his own system, great. But then if we do that, there are better coaches out there we should consider first.

franco12 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Knicks should go hard after Luke Walton in the summer as well as a PG like Conley.
We can talk about this thread again, then.
A younger smart head coach who knows the Triangle but will also install some of the offense Golden State runs.
A point guard that can actually take the pressure of Melo as the primary ballhandler or ball monopolizer. A PG that can make the team less reliant on the Triangle for offense creativity.

Knicks 2 main targets this summer should be going all out in free agency for Mike Conley and next to try and get Luke to NY.

No to both.

First, Conley is not that good and he is going to be on the wrong side of 28. Hopefully, he doesn't leave.

Second, as much as I like Luke Walton, they're not running the triangle in G State, its a variation on many things, including MDA's system. And he certainly ain't going to leave the best franchise in the world today for this **** show. I doubt there is enough money to convince him otherwise.

But if he does, how is he going to be a better teacher of the triangle than either Fisher or Rambis? He's not.

If he were allowed to run his own system, great. But then if we do that, there are better coaches out there we should consider first.

Your last line is the big issue with me - Phil wants the Triangle to be run HIS way. Fisher was starting to develop some wrinkles that worked... Phil didn't like that. Would he let anyone modify the system? Or does it HAVE to be Phil's way? It sort of feels like the latter, which I think is a doomed enterprise and will always lead to a coach looking over his shoulder to see if Phil is giving the thumb's up.

crzymdups wrote:

franco12 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Knicks should go hard after Luke Walton in the summer as well as a PG like Conley.
We can talk about this thread again, then.
A younger smart head coach who knows the Triangle but will also install some of the offense Golden State runs.
A point guard that can actually take the pressure of Melo as the primary ballhandler or ball monopolizer. A PG that can make the team less reliant on the Triangle for offense creativity.

Knicks 2 main targets this summer should be going all out in free agency for Mike Conley and next to try and get Luke to NY.

No to both.

First, Conley is not that good and he is going to be on the wrong side of 28. Hopefully, he doesn't leave.

Second, as much as I like Luke Walton, they're not running the triangle in G State, its a variation on many things, including MDA's system. And he certainly ain't going to leave the best franchise in the world today for this **** show. I doubt there is enough money to convince him otherwise.

But if he does, how is he going to be a better teacher of the triangle than either Fisher or Rambis? He's not.

If he were allowed to run his own system, great. But then if we do that, there are better coaches out there we should consider first.

Your last line is the big issue with me - Phil wants the Triangle to be run HIS way. Fisher was starting to develop some wrinkles that worked... Phil didn't like that. Would he let anyone modify the system? Or does it HAVE to be Phil's way? It sort of feels like the latter, which I think is a doomed enterprise and will always lead to a coach looking over his shoulder to see if Phil is giving the thumb's up.

Can't forget that Phil didn't fire Fish until the huge losing streak and the team playing awful for 10 straight games. At 22-22 Fish had job security. He lost his job at 23-31.

Fish brought his own assistants from OKC and was not blocked by Phil. As I see it, those assistants are still on the staff. We still try to do the stuff Fish was trying to insert with quick early offense. The major difference is that Rambis has tried to get the team to play more together which has shown in some games not so much others.

EnySpree wrote:The problem is most of you don't know what a nba offense is.... you guys just want to see stretch 4s and point guards hitting threes. Face it.

When we had that system with Dantoni everyone cried about it. Now everyone is doing it, now you want to do it.

You guys deserve a bad team.

The problem is not the system. The problem is affalo is one of the worst shooting guards in the league. Calderón is the worst point guard in the league. Galloway is one of the worst guards in the league. The rest of the team are filled with redundant role players. If we had a top 30 point guard (yes our guards aren't even top 30)... and a top 30 shooting guard the Knicks would not be where they are. Basically place any backcourt from any team in place of ours and we will have at least 10 more wins...

Spacing shooters out and running are not D'antoni inventions. What may be is turning your best player into a spot shooter. As you can see he did real well in LA after the Knicks, right?

How do I deserve a bad team, again?

Other that I agree. We have no talent at either guard spot and regularly get scorched from that position.

“I want to win, period,” Bazemore told The Vertical. “For me, it’s more than just how much people pay. I look at state tax, cost of living. At the end of the day, I want to set myself up for when I retire, and I’m a forward thinker. I want to win at the end of the day. I can’t take a huge contract and win 17 games. That’s just not me.”

crzymdups wrote:

knickscity wrote:Players are certainly talking up more, but this is getting out of hand.

“I want to win, period,” Bazemore told The Vertical. “For me, it’s more than just how much people pay. I look at state tax, cost of living. At the end of the day, I want to set myself up for when I retire, and I’m a forward thinker. I want to win at the end of the day. I can’t take a huge contract and win 17 games. That’s just not me.”

Damn! That's cold, Kent! I guess we can take Bazemore off our list.

That's was certainly a shot at the Knicks. I think he has another year left on his deal, haven't checked though. Role players speak up like this more and more. The bad part is this is the type Phil would normally sign.

crzymdups wrote:

knickscity wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

knickscity wrote:Players are certainly talking up more, but this is getting out of hand.

“I want to win, period,” Bazemore told The Vertical. “For me, it’s more than just how much people pay. I look at state tax, cost of living. At the end of the day, I want to set myself up for when I retire, and I’m a forward thinker. I want to win at the end of the day. I can’t take a huge contract and win 17 games. That’s just not me.”

Damn! That's cold, Kent! I guess we can take Bazemore off our list.

That's was certainly a shot at the Knicks. I think he has another year left on his deal, haven't checked though. Role players speak up like this more and more. The bad part is this is the type Phil would normally sign.

I think he's a free agent this summer. He's been on a few folks' lists for the summer around here.

This is why we shouldn't sneeze at guys like Afflalo and Rolo who actually want to be here.

crzymdups wrote:

knickscity wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

knickscity wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

knickscity wrote:Players are certainly talking up more, but this is getting out of hand.

“I want to win, period,” Bazemore told The Vertical. “For me, it’s more than just how much people pay. I look at state tax, cost of living. At the end of the day, I want to set myself up for when I retire, and I’m a forward thinker. I want to win at the end of the day. I can’t take a huge contract and win 17 games. That’s just not me.”

Damn! That's cold, Kent! I guess we can take Bazemore off our list.

That's was certainly a shot at the Knicks. I think he has another year left on his deal, haven't checked though. Role players speak up like this more and more. The bad part is this is the type Phil would normally sign.

I think he's a free agent this summer. He's been on a few folks' lists for the summer around here.

This is why we shouldn't sneeze at guys like Afflalo and Rolo who actually want to be here.

Those guys fit exactly what Baze is talking about. Lopez got a huge deal considering what he made previously, fully knowing he wont win much here. he actually left a playoff team just for a check. Afflalo wasn't desirable to many, but actually got a raise as well.

Yeah, but Afflalo was trying to get traded to NY at the trade deadline last year - he wanted to be here. Rolo wanting to be in NY may have more to do with being closer to his brother or something, but I think any way you slice it he is a bargain.

The wanting to be here is cool, that's something I would want for sure. cant really claim that either are a bargain. Afflalo at this point may be better as a sixth man, and Lopez akthough has played over 30 minutes recently, only is averaging around a little over 25 minutes, essentially a parttime starter. I cant just call that a bargain.

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

knickscity wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

knickscity wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

knickscity wrote:Players are certainly talking up more, but this is getting out of hand.

“I want to win, period,” Bazemore told The Vertical. “For me, it’s more than just how much people pay. I look at state tax, cost of living. At the end of the day, I want to set myself up for when I retire, and I’m a forward thinker. I want to win at the end of the day. I can’t take a huge contract and win 17 games. That’s just not me.”

Damn! That's cold, Kent! I guess we can take Bazemore off our list.

That's was certainly a shot at the Knicks. I think he has another year left on his deal, haven't checked though. Role players speak up like this more and more. The bad part is this is the type Phil would normally sign.

I think he's a free agent this summer. He's been on a few folks' lists for the summer around here.

This is why we shouldn't sneeze at guys like Afflalo and Rolo who actually want to be here.

Those guys fit exactly what Baze is talking about. Lopez got a huge deal considering what he made previously, fully knowing he wont win much here. he actually left a playoff team just for a check. Afflalo wasn't desirable to many, but actually got a raise as well.

Yeah, but Afflalo was trying to get traded to NY at the trade deadline last year - he wanted to be here. Rolo wanting to be in NY may have more to do with being closer to his brother or something, but I think any way you slice it he is a bargain.

amare wanted to be here too. And no other team wanted him to be there.

And this offseason is different. Last offseason we looked like a team on the rise. Now, we are starting to look more like a train wreck.

We're always the punchline of the league for various reasons. It certainly doesn't help our standing with free agents. I don't think we'll get shut out, but I think our options may be limited.

I'd go hard after Brandon Jennings and offer him a very good chance at the starting job. He's one of those players who has always wanted to be in NY and it's a chance to buy low on him.