Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im wondering if Derek was just not into the gig and working hard enough to learn the craft? Certainly had the cred coming in and a world of respect.
Its a seduction to get paid what he did and take on the NYC thing but the reality is its a tough ass job!!!!!!

Maybe Knicks1969 gets his wish and Luke gets the gig next year. Dolan can't be happy with Phil right now. I mean how much money can a dude spend on coach's!!!!

FWIW I don't see why Dolan would be mad. Phil's top choice was Kerr, and Kerr certainly validated that judgment. Fisher was a good choice that didn't work out. Did we miss out on another candidate by taking Fisher?

I will keep my fingers crossed with Rambis. I was not impressed with him when he was with Minn. but will be optimistic. The timing of this firing and the replacement with Rambis is very curious. Earlier in the season, Fisher used to get a little testy when Phil's name was raised. He was almost insecure with the topic, being a little brusque in reminding people he, not Phil, was the coach. I'm left to wonder whether the relationship soured, with Fisher not welcoming Phil's suggestions or what?

Perhaps Phil just blew a gasket when Fisher played KOQ, Serpahin and Lou yesterday (including a KOQ Seraphin tandem) all before D Will left the bench

I read up a few years ago about Rambis stint in Minny. He made a bad mistake taking the job as Kahn was the GM and had the task of taking the triangle to the team with a roster not condusive and no clout. He had to convert Jonny Flynn to be his PG. Bad fit.

We don't know if he wants the full time gig, or is even considered for it. for now, the team will make adjustments and try to get back on track.

That is the key. Everyone balks at the idea of Rambis or Shaw coaching this team because they didn't have Phil backing them up. I'd love Walton but I have no problem sticking with Rambis. I think he is exactly what this team needs in getting through this season. No nonsense. My way, Phil's way, it's the way it's going to be whether you like it or not

Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 4m4 minutes ago
Part of Fisher's problem was his arrogance. Never accomplished anything as coach yet never showed humility, and often spoke condescendingly.

Chandler wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Chandler wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I TOLD YOU MUTHERPHUCKAS FISHER LOST THE TEAM!

It was clear as day after he said "Process not Playoffs" and I'm pretty sure the Pistons 1st half cemented this. That was a game that showed a mutiny and a lack of respect for Derek. Showed with the effort.

Phil was certainly watching to see any bounce back from the Detroit debacle, but no such luck with the next few games...

Always falling behind, and showing utter lack of prep.

Good fire, Phil!!! Now if you can learn how to hire a real coach for once...

While I agreed with you that losing the team was a concern, I don't agree that he had already lost it, or with the logic of pointing to those games. In each case they came back but fell short. If he truly lost the team they would have just cratered and lost by 20-30.

I think Phil stepped in before the mutiny happened.

You don't lose the team in one game, I agree...but you can see the body language and signs were there in the Detroit game and it didn't get better the next few games.

NO coincidence that this all followed the "process" talk.

yeah I can totally imagine Phil not liking that "process" crap. Melo was starting to sulk (I know -- we've seen it before) but what was disturbing to me was that you were hearing hints with KP

I've long thought Fisher was like Mark Jackson -- good at speeches, but that he wasn't one of those "one step ahead of the other guy" coaches.

Surprised this came during season but with the break coming up, it actually makes some sense. I suspect Rambis will want to tweak a few things

If Rambis is listening

first tweak "simplify Jerian's role". Make him focus on defense for now as a lock down defender. Let the offense flow through someone else on the floor (almost anyone else). Let him get some confidence on things he can do well.

second tweak "utilize DWill better". He should be our 6th man (or 7th at worst)

third tweak "when LT is back" use him on hot 2s

MS wrote:He never really looked all that impressive as far as his rotations and in game play calling.

Don't really feel bad for the guy at all. He was one of the highest paid coaches in the league and in typical knicks fashion he was given a 5 year deal. He's got 17.5MM coming to him and had the opportunity many of his fellow counterparts that have worked as assistants for 5-10 years have not and will never get. He was the wrong hire and as usual the Knicks have multiple coaches getting the golden parachute.

Thank God it's Dolan's dollars and not tied to any salary cap!

Then again, if Jimmy don't like the results of where his money is getting wasted, could lead to an intervention at some point.

Malcolm wrote:

nixluva wrote:I was wrong! I really didn't believe Phil would fire Fish during this season. I guess it shows that Phil had seen enough and lost faith in Fish. Despite the rash of injuries, it seems Phil wasn't willing to wait for Fish to figure things out any longer. Maybe he was worried that the losing would do serious damage if it kept going this way.

Fish made his mistakes but I still think this roster needs help. The losing wasn't all his fault. I'm very curious to hear what Phil has to say on the subject.

I'm surprised too . . . because it WAS Fisher that got us to .500 at the half-way point and looking pretty good (for what we could reasonably expect).

So something must have gone on behind the scenes the past 10 games . . .

Malcolm wrote:Why was Fisher fired (?)

3 words: cherchez la femme . . .

Ahahahahahaaah. Voilà

Watch Rambis become a great coach for this team. Just watch.

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im wondering if Derek was just not into the gig and working hard enough to learn the craft? Certainly had the cred coming in and a world of respect.
Its a seduction to get paid what he did and take on the NYC thing but the reality is its a tough ass job!!!!!!

Maybe Knicks1969 gets his wish and Luke gets the gig next year. Dolan can't be happy with Phil right now. I mean how much money can a dude spend on coach's!!!!

FWIW I don't see why Dolan would be mad. Phil's top choice was Kerr, and Kerr certainly validated that judgment. Fisher was a good choice that didn't work out. Did we miss out on another candidate by taking Fisher?

I will keep my fingers crossed with Rambis. I was not impressed with him when he was with Minn. but will be optimistic. The timing of this firing and the replacement with Rambis is very curious. Earlier in the season, Fisher used to get a little testy when Phil's name was raised. He was almost insecure with the topic, being a little brusque in reminding people he, not Phil, was the coach. I'm left to wonder whether the relationship soured, with Fisher not welcoming Phil's suggestions or what?

Perhaps Phil just blew a gasket when Fisher played KOQ, Serpahin and Lou yesterday (including a KOQ Seraphin tandem) all before D Will left the bench

I read up a few years ago about Rambis stint in Minny. He made a bad mistake taking the job as Kahn was the GM and had the task of taking the triangle to the team with a roster not condusive and no clout. He had to convert Jonny Flynn to be his PG. Bad fit.

We don't know if he wants the full time gig, or is even considered for it. for now, the team will make adjustments and try to get back on track.

Kurt Rambis was also the guy that thought Al Jefferson was the better bet over Kevin Love. From what I recollect, he also wanted to get Kevin Love traded and kept him on the bench. Needless to say, I'm not terribly optimistic about Rambis either. It's Walton-Shaw or bust for me.

I don't want Shaw at all. He was horrible with Denver and they had some good talent on those teams. If i could choose i'd think about bringing JVG back and maybe he could get Thibs to come back with him as a assistant. I doubt it but i do think JVG would be a good choice.

Van Gundy is a horrible coach for today's league. He showed a general lack of creativity and adjustments throughout his coaching career, so I doubt that'd change during a 2nd stint with us.

I also REALLY would hate to have Brian as our head coach. He's a poor leader and players generally don't seem to respect him (see Andre Miller). But as a lead assistant, I think he brings a lot more to the table from an X's and O's perspective. The Pacers haven't been the same since he left and I don't think that was by accident.

Yes shaw was top assistant under Phil. Certainly more coaching experience than Fisher

Chandler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im wondering if Derek was just not into the gig and working hard enough to learn the craft? Certainly had the cred coming in and a world of respect.
Its a seduction to get paid what he did and take on the NYC thing but the reality is its a tough ass job!!!!!!

Maybe Knicks1969 gets his wish and Luke gets the gig next year. Dolan can't be happy with Phil right now. I mean how much money can a dude spend on coach's!!!!

FWIW I don't see why Dolan would be mad. Phil's top choice was Kerr, and Kerr certainly validated that judgment. Fisher was a good choice that didn't work out. Did we miss out on another candidate by taking Fisher?

I will keep my fingers crossed with Rambis. I was not impressed with him when he was with Minn. but will be optimistic. The timing of this firing and the replacement with Rambis is very curious. Earlier in the season, Fisher used to get a little testy when Phil's name was raised. He was almost insecure with the topic, being a little brusque in reminding people he, not Phil, was the coach. I'm left to wonder whether the relationship soured, with Fisher not welcoming Phil's suggestions or what?

Perhaps Phil just blew a gasket when Fisher played KOQ, Serpahin and Lou yesterday (including a KOQ Seraphin tandem) all before D Will left the bench

I read up a few years ago about Rambis stint in Minny. He made a bad mistake taking the job as Kahn was the GM and had the task of taking the triangle to the team with a roster not condusive and no clout. He had to convert Jonny Flynn to be his PG. Bad fit.

We don't know if he wants the full time gig, or is even considered for it. for now, the team will make adjustments and try to get back on track.

Kurt Rambis was also the guy that thought Al Jefferson was the better bet over Kevin Love. From what I recollect, he also wanted to get Kevin Love traded and kept him on the bench. Needless to say, I'm not terribly optimistic about Rambis either. It's Walton-Shaw or bust for me.

I don't want Shaw at all. He was horrible with Denver and they had some good talent on those teams. If i could choose i'd think about bringing JVG back and maybe he could get Thibs to come back with him as a assistant. I doubt it but i do think JVG would be a good choice.

Van Gundy is a horrible coach for today's league. He showed a general lack of creativity and adjustments throughout his coaching career, so I doubt that'd change during a 2nd stint with us.

I also REALLY would hate to have Brian as our head coach. He's a poor leader and players generally don't seem to respect him (see Andre Miller). But as a lead assistant, I think he brings a lot more to the table from an X's and O's perspective. The Pacers haven't been the same since he left and I don't think that was by accident.

Agree re JVG. I am confident that that will never, ever, ever happen with Phil as GM.

ALso interesting take on SHaw. Would be a nice pairing to have Luke with experienced assistants.

Fisher had experienced assistants. It doesn't work if the players don't respect the rookie coach unfortunately