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1/14/2016  6:29 PM
crzymdups wrote:
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Knickoftime wrote:
dk7th wrote:trade which melo? the one that played here prior to this season or the one that is playing great since the arrival of kp?

What difference does it make? Trade the former you also traded the latter.

Correct. You trade both Melos, especially today's DadMelo to get some value back, so you can finally move forward as a franchise.

you're really getting carried away. melo is a very valuable player right now. i enjoy watching him play for the first time. the issue is the unfortunately-titled thread. seems like trying to stir up trouble where it just isn't warranted.

the issue is that we have not seen this melo ever before, so why pretend otherwise, which is why the thread-starter is a wee bit gratuitous and jejune.

It's gratuitous and jejune and inflammatory to point out that Melo helps get KP easier shots?

This wasn't the intention. It's to point out another faucet of how well Melo is playing. And how ridiculous a notion it is to trade him to "help" KP as some posters on this very page are still suggesting.

Your post was fine. We all agreed with it. It's the title like dk said that turned this thread into another witch hunt thread about other forum members specifically Chuck. That's the way it came across as evident by the posts. Another witch hunt thread. Again the body of the post was great but then again you probably would t bother to create the thread if there wasn't some alterior motives
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1/14/2016  7:05 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
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crzymdups wrote:Melo creates so much space and takes so much attention off KP. When the Nets played the Knicks at the Garden, they had to put Thad Young, their best defender, on Melo. Melo out? KP gets the other team's best defender and gets no space to operate.

Also, I think a lot of people noticed how much the defense suffered without Melo, too.

This is why keeping Melo really helps KP's development. He's not ready to be a #1 option - Melo's pressence immeasurably helps KP's game in all faucets.


Good thread cause people were definitely starting the "this is KP's team" way too early. Without Melo we're back to being a average team.


If you want things to REALLY GET DEPRESSING around here -- just have KP go down for any extended amount of time and 90% of fan base will be jumping out windows.

Ha truer words have never been spoken
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1/14/2016  7:10 PM
Bottom line it's not enough that Melo is playing superb Basketball. You guys are more into getting into with other posters. Which IMO is the main thing that drags this community down
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1/14/2016  7:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/14/2016  7:29 PM
Just look at the garbage incoherent nonsensical posts you get from a deranged person like jrodmc as a prime example. Brings the forum IQ & morale down
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1/14/2016  7:19 PM
Melo has had many nights like that as well. Do people forget the previous night? He shot the ball incredibly well.
He's a rookie, who has a very lean body, never having played these kind of minutes at this kind of intensity and struggles with his shot on a 2nd night of a back to back?

That should be somewhat be expected.

Look Porzingis isn't the scorer Melo is. No question. However even on a bad shooting night, and a low energy game, he grabbed 10 boards, 3 steals, 1 block and made some big plays with DWill that got them the lead heading into the 4th.

The real issue with games Melo doesn't play - is that Melo takes up 25 million of salaries, worth 3 starters. If you remove 1 player of that kind of money making - it will impact your team. I'm not hating Melo, he has played incredibly well as of late. But we know the story on Melo's career so far. Great scorer, not much else. He's finally begun playing like a guard - someone that moves the ball and makes teammates better with getting open looks. That Melo is truly a top 5 MVP caliber guy. He's defending well as well. We even missed his defense.

But in general, if at season's start you had 3 quality starting caliber players instead of Melo, I don't think at this point in time we'd too much worse than .500 - the Knicks have a group of solid players and a huge talent in Porzingis around Melo. If you change that to 3 solid more players instead of Melo, or 2 good players instead of Melo, I don't think we'd be any worse off in wins-losses. What trading Melo does though is kill any shot the Knicks have of making a championship/deep playoffs run anytime in the next 2-3 years. To make any kind of run like that, you need a player of Melo's talent/skill level. The kicker is that's all we have though. We need this to happen within 2 years at most. After that, I don't think Melo will have enough left in the tank to be able to play that role.

I've been torn up until the last month about Melo. The way he's been playing and progressed, he's untouchable in my book, along with Porzingis. However, if he regresses back to the Melo who doesn't play hard on defense, doesn't make guard/point forward type of plays, I'll want him traded again. You can't pay a guy as much as Knicks are Melo and not hold him to the standard of play he was showing the last month. That is the standard his contract sets. He can do it, I truly believe he's turned a corner as a player within the Triangle and the culture on the team.
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1/14/2016  7:23 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Bottom line it's not enough that Melo is playing superb Basketball. You guys are more into getting into with other posters. Which IMO is the main thing that drags this community down

When people fixate on one topic above all other things for a long period of time, suggesting the Knicks would be better off without a certain player, when that player raises his level to this degree some comeuppance is to be expected.
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1/14/2016  7:34 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Bottom line it's not enough that Melo is playing superb Basketball. You guys are more into getting into with other posters. Which IMO is the main thing that drags this community down
so would you say you are no longer having concerns about *any* prospect developing next to Melo?

I guess when you sit through a couple years of bad posting and agendas it takes some time to detox

What Knickoftime said.

A handful of guys sat through two years of nonstop Melo hate and Guns there was no bigger culprit than you constantly daily reminding us that
1) his contract is garbage
2) we would be better off just parting ways
3) he's going to ruin this environment for any high pick/prospect we bring in

OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Good to see you now crying about dragging down the community. Hypocrisy at its finest. Glad to see you are enjoying the Knicks again, and that last sentence was not sarcastic at all... I honestly am, because few people's words were more miserable to read about here than yours. You rubbed our noses in it at every opportunity.

Sorry guys... eat crow.

Oh.. and go Knicks.

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1/14/2016  7:37 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Also forget the missed dunks. KP shot 5-17. You are telling me he had his legs under him?

No, we're telling you he missed Melo's pressence on the floor and it allowed the Nets defense to key in on him.

Which I agreed with but Chuck is also right about Fisher mismanaging the rotations

If every loss can be broken down into ways the coach could and should have prevented it, why do good coaches lose games.

Has there EVER been a loss in which everyone agreed a good game was played but it just wasn't your favorite team's night? Or is every loss one an imcompetent coach let get away?

Seems like the latter to me.

That's the whole point. It wasn't just one reason why we lost like the OP and the wankers suggested earlier in the thread
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1/14/2016  7:41 PM
fishmike wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Bottom line it's not enough that Melo is playing superb Basketball. You guys are more into getting into with other posters. Which IMO is the main thing that drags this community down
so would you say you are no longer having concerns about *any* prospect developing next to Melo?

I guess when you sit through a couple years of bad posting and agendas it takes some time to detox

What Knickoftime said.

A handful of guys sat through two years of nonstop Melo hate and Guns there was no bigger culprit than you constantly daily reminding us that
1) his contract is garbage
2) we would be better off just parting ways
3) he's going to ruin this environment for any high pick/prospect we bring in

OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Good to see you now crying about dragging down the community. Hypocrisy at its finest. Glad to see you are enjoying the Knicks again, and that last sentence was not sarcastic at all... I honestly am, because few people's words were more miserable to read about here than yours. You rubbed our noses in it at every opportunity.

Sorry guys... eat crow.

Oh.. and go Knicks.

Important to add to this, the poster who all know who they are weren't waging battles with Melo, they were waging battles with their follow fans over Melo.

This never about ridding the Knicks or Melo or elevating his play, this was about flooding this forum with singular negativity.

Whether you guys cling to the idea you were "right" at the time, isn't even the point.
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1/14/2016  7:41 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
dk7th wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
dk7th wrote:trade which melo? the one that played here prior to this season or the one that is playing great since the arrival of kp?

What difference does it make? Trade the former you also traded the latter.

Correct. You trade both Melos, especially today's DadMelo to get some value back, so you can finally move forward as a franchise.

you're really getting carried away. melo is a very valuable player right now. i enjoy watching him play for the first time. the issue is the unfortunately-titled thread. seems like trying to stir up trouble where it just isn't warranted.

the issue is that we have not seen this melo ever before, so why pretend otherwise, which is why the thread-starter is a wee bit gratuitous and jejune.

It's gratuitous and jejune and inflammatory to point out that Melo helps get KP easier shots?

This wasn't the intention. It's to point out another faucet of how well Melo is playing. And how ridiculous a notion it is to trade him to "help" KP as some posters on this very page are still suggesting.

Your post was fine. We all agreed with it. It's the title like dk said that turned this thread into another witch hunt thread about other forum members specifically Chuck. That's the way it came across as evident by the posts. Another witch hunt thread. Again the body of the post was great but then again you probably would t bother to create the thread if there wasn't some alterior motives

Naw man...You and ChuckBuck ruined the thread.

Like always.
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1/14/2016  7:45 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Bottom line it's not enough that Melo is playing superb Basketball. You guys are more into getting into with other posters. Which IMO is the main thing that drags this community down


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1/14/2016  7:54 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Kp has been erratic with his shot regardless of melo's presence.

Thid misconception that melo never played with this quality of talent is as far from the truth as anything stupid. When Amare was relatively healthy he never pass the ball to him. It would something like, melo 25 SHOT ATTEMPS, AMARE 8 ATTemps. I wouls feel more confident given the ball to Amare them lopez.

MDA, and Woodsons communication, was nowhere near the skills of phil jackson. MDA quit base on melos play, woodson gets fired base on his philosophies.

How can anyone be surprise at the play of melo after witnessing the transformation of MJ amd Kobe who were the biggest ball hogs in the history of the NBA, prior to phil.

Ha another brilliant post. Completely shoots down the idea from Crush & the other other that Melo never had talent on the Knicks. Yea Amare was complete trash. It's not like he wasn't a multiple Allstar, 1st team all NBA, took Duncan to game 7 with his mezmo rising play. But yea Amare was a nobody a bum lol
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1/14/2016  7:58 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Kp has been erratic with his shot regardless of melo's presence.

Thid misconception that melo never played with this quality of talent is as far from the truth as anything stupid. When Amare was relatively healthy he never pass the ball to him. It would something like, melo 25 SHOT ATTEMPS, AMARE 8 ATTemps. I wouls feel more confident given the ball to Amare them lopez.

MDA, and Woodsons communication, was nowhere near the skills of phil jackson. MDA quit base on melos play, woodson gets fired base on his philosophies.

How can anyone be surprise at the play of melo after witnessing the transformation of MJ amd Kobe who were the biggest ball hogs in the history of the NBA, prior to phil.

Ha another brilliant post. Completely shoots down the idea from Crush & the other other that Melo never had talent on the Knicks. Yea Amare was complete trash. It's not like he wasn't a multiple Allstar, 1st team all NBA, took Duncan to game 7 with his mezmo rising play. But yea Amare was a nobody a bum lol

Amare was healthy for two months with Melo and that was in 2011 right after the trade. I responded to this but you left that out. I guess it shoots something down if you leave out the information. Whatever works.
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1/14/2016  8:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/14/2016  8:15 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Kp has been erratic with his shot regardless of melo's presence.

Thid misconception that melo never played with this quality of talent is as far from the truth as anything stupid. When Amare was relatively healthy he never pass the ball to him. It would something like, melo 25 SHOT ATTEMPS, AMARE 8 ATTemps. I wouls feel more confident given the ball to Amare them lopez.

MDA, and Woodsons communication, was nowhere near the skills of phil jackson. MDA quit base on melos play, woodson gets fired base on his philosophies.

How can anyone be surprise at the play of melo after witnessing the transformation of MJ amd Kobe who were the biggest ball hogs in the history of the NBA, prior to phil.

Amare was healthy for the first two months after the trade in 2011. He was never healthy again during his knick career.

Even when Amare was healthy, Melo never really dished it to Amare the way he looks to setup KP. Like he actively sets picks for KP with vigor and overpasses in some cases to get KP involved. Never did this with Amare.

Even as a Knicks fan you can acknowledge this, right?

Good luck with that. Hey Crush why was MDA fired/resigned? He went straight to Dolan and asked for a Dwill? Pop quiz...who was that said Knick? I'll give u a hint. Initials CA.

Man the lengths that some of you guys will go through for a single Knick player is truly quite astonishing & downright frightening. Do you even care for our other players? Are you even Knick fans?
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1/14/2016  8:12 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
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ChuckBuck wrote:2nd game of a back to back after a grueling game against the physical Celtics. KP didn't have it from the jump ball, but neither did most of the team, except DWill and some flashes from Jose and RoLo.

Knicks came out of dead flat in the first quarter. Even without Melo, this game was winnable at the end. The Nets are the 3rd worst team in the league. This loss is more attributed to Fisher reverting back to NOOB clueless rotation Fisher getting out coached by a first time coach Tony Brown, whose team wanted to win badly after Hollins got shyt canned.

This loss had more to do with dead legs/dead coaching than any presence of almighty Carmelo or any Nets strategy. It was a 1 possesion game with like a 2 minutes left!!!

Chuckbuck, can you please be more stupid? Is this a one possession game against one of three worst teams in the league if the best player on the team is playing instead of watching?

KP couldn't do sheehit offensively without Melo on the floor, and Fish had to take him out in the 4th at crucial juncture when he was getting stops.

Lol the Knicks basically beat Boston without Melo. Try again.

True, who needs 17 points?

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1/14/2016  8:14 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Kp has been erratic with his shot regardless of melo's presence.

Thid misconception that melo never played with this quality of talent is as far from the truth as anything stupid. When Amare was relatively healthy he never pass the ball to him. It would something like, melo 25 SHOT ATTEMPS, AMARE 8 ATTemps. I wouls feel more confident given the ball to Amare them lopez.

MDA, and Woodsons communication, was nowhere near the skills of phil jackson. MDA quit base on melos play, woodson gets fired base on his philosophies.

How can anyone be surprise at the play of melo after witnessing the transformation of MJ amd Kobe who were the biggest ball hogs in the history of the NBA, prior to phil.

Amare was healthy for the first two months after the trade in 2011. He was never healthy again during his knick career.

Even when Amare was healthy, Melo never really dished it to Amare the way he looks to setup KP. Like he actively sets picks for KP with vigor and overpasses in some cases to get KP involved. Never did this with Amare.

Even as a Knicks fan you can acknowledge this, right?

Good luck with that. Hey Crush we was MDA fired/resigned? He went straight to Dolan and asked for a Dwill? Pop quiz...who was that said Knick? I'll give u a hint. Initials CA.

Man the lengths that some of you guys will go through for a single Knick player is truly astonishing & downright frightening. Do you even care for our other players? Are you even Knick fans?

What is up with posting things I responded to but leaving out my response and bringing me into it? I am happy to have a dialogue with you if that is what you want. These are your words:
You guys are more into getting into with other posters. Which IMO is the main thing that drags this community down
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1/14/2016  8:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/14/2016  8:21 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Kp has been erratic with his shot regardless of melo's presence.

Thid misconception that melo never played with this quality of talent is as far from the truth as anything stupid. When Amare was relatively healthy he never pass the ball to him. It would something like, melo 25 SHOT ATTEMPS, AMARE 8 ATTemps. I wouls feel more confident given the ball to Amare them lopez.

MDA, and Woodsons communication, was nowhere near the skills of phil jackson. MDA quit base on melos play, woodson gets fired base on his philosophies.

How can anyone be surprise at the play of melo after witnessing the transformation of MJ amd Kobe who were the biggest ball hogs in the history of the NBA, prior to phil.

Amare was healthy for the first two months after the trade in 2011. He was never healthy again during his knick career.

Even when Amare was healthy, Melo never really dished it to Amare the way he looks to setup KP. Like he actively sets picks for KP with vigor and overpasses in some cases to get KP involved. Never did this with Amare.

Even as a Knicks fan you can acknowledge this, right?

Good luck with that. Hey Crush we was MDA fired/resigned? He went straight to Dolan and asked for a Dwill? Pop quiz...who was that said Knick? I'll give u a hint. Initials CA.

Man the lengths that some of you guys will go through for a single Knick player is truly astonishing & downright frightening. Do you even care for our other players? Are you even Knick fans?

What is up with posting things I responded to but leaving out my response and bringing me into it? I am happy to have a dialogue with you if that is what you want. These are your words:
You guys are more into getting into with other posters. Which IMO is the main thing that drags this community down

Because I'm tire of getting into it with. Thanks for the offer but I have no interest in yet another circular discussion with you that accomplishes nothing, as you continue to spew nonsense about Melo. I'm good Crush
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1/14/2016  8:21 PM
Look melo has been awesome and he is very important to the knicks BUT the hardcore melo fans are giving him basically all the credit. I agree he helps KP but he is not the reason KP has been great. KP is still our most talented player IMO so he deserves the credit for his success
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1/14/2016  8:29 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Kp has been erratic with his shot regardless of melo's presence.

Thid misconception that melo never played with this quality of talent is as far from the truth as anything stupid. When Amare was relatively healthy he never pass the ball to him. It would something like, melo 25 SHOT ATTEMPS, AMARE 8 ATTemps. I wouls feel more confident given the ball to Amare them lopez.

MDA, and Woodsons communication, was nowhere near the skills of phil jackson. MDA quit base on melos play, woodson gets fired base on his philosophies.

How can anyone be surprise at the play of melo after witnessing the transformation of MJ amd Kobe who were the biggest ball hogs in the history of the NBA, prior to phil.

Amare was healthy for the first two months after the trade in 2011. He was never healthy again during his knick career.

Even when Amare was healthy, Melo never really dished it to Amare the way he looks to setup KP. Like he actively sets picks for KP with vigor and overpasses in some cases to get KP involved. Never did this with Amare.

Even as a Knicks fan you can acknowledge this, right?

Good luck with that. Hey Crush we was MDA fired/resigned? He went straight to Dolan and asked for a Dwill? Pop quiz...who was that said Knick? I'll give u a hint. Initials CA.

Man the lengths that some of you guys will go through for a single Knick player is truly astonishing & downright frightening. Do you even care for our other players? Are you even Knick fans?

What is up with posting things I responded to but leaving out my response and bringing me into it? I am happy to have a dialogue with you if that is what you want. These are your words:
You guys are more into getting into with other posters. Which IMO is the main thing that drags this community down

Because I'm tire of getting into it with. Thanks for the offer but I have no interest in yet another circular discussion with you that accomplishes nothing, as you continue to spew nonsense about Melo. I'm good Crush

as someone who has known you a long time... you are blaming all the wrong people here.

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1/14/2016  8:31 PM
I just want to remind Crzy that he is one of my favorite long time posters. One of the most fair and balanced posters for sure. This thread is uncharacteristic of him. We all are a little overreactive from time to time and just blurt things out without thinking things through. My issues are not with you Crzy keeping doin what you do some well
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