GustavBahler wrote:Id take Porzingis over Russell now even though I still believe Russell will be something special in time. Part of the problem IMO is Kobe's farewell tour, and the intimidation factor. The other problem is Byron Scott. He was fired from his last gig because he wasnt an X and Os guy, rarely drew up plays. Thats not who you want developing a possible franchise PG. Im guessing that Scott was hired for Kobe more than anything. Once Kobe is out of the picture, Im guessing that Scott will be too unless Russell makes a big jump this season.

Once Russell is given the keys to the offense and it becomes his team I believe we will see a different player.

And guess who is the most anti analytic guy in the league? Scott!

I guess that means that Analytics win? Uh ... no. That is stupid. Bryon Scott or any person is irrelevant to the overall argument.

GustavBahler wrote:Id take Porzingis over Russell now even though I still believe Russell will be something special in time. Part of the problem IMO is Kobe's farewell tour, and the intimidation factor. The other problem is Byron Scott. He was fired from his last gig because he wasnt an X and Os guy, rarely drew up plays. Thats not who you want developing a possible franchise PG. Im guessing that Scott was hired for Kobe more than anything. Once Kobe is out of the picture, Im guessing that Scott will be too unless Russell makes a big jump this season.

Once Russell is given the keys to the offense and it becomes his team I believe we will see a different player.

Genuine question, what is Russell's standout skill?

Even when he couldn't shoot the ball into a sinkhole, you could see Rubio's court vision/passing.

Same with Wall, you could immediately see his speed/quickness.

Curry could always shoot.

What skill immediately stands out when you see Russell on the court?

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Id take Porzingis over Russell now even though I still believe Russell will be something special in time. Part of the problem IMO is Kobe's farewell tour, and the intimidation factor. The other problem is Byron Scott. He was fired from his last gig because he wasnt an X and Os guy, rarely drew up plays. Thats not who you want developing a possible franchise PG. Im guessing that Scott was hired for Kobe more than anything. Once Kobe is out of the picture, Im guessing that Scott will be too unless Russell makes a big jump this season.

Once Russell is given the keys to the offense and it becomes his team I believe we will see a different player.

Genuine question, what is Russell's standout skill?

Even when he couldn't shoot the ball into a sinkhole, you could see Rubio's court vision/passing.

Same with Wall, you could immediately see his speed/quickness.

Curry could always shoot.

What skill immediately stands out when you see Russell on the court?

great passer

On the NBA level? That has shown on the floor?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/rookies/sort/assistRatio

Not showing up in the stats.

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Id take Porzingis over Russell now even though I still believe Russell will be something special in time. Part of the problem IMO is Kobe's farewell tour, and the intimidation factor. The other problem is Byron Scott. He was fired from his last gig because he wasnt an X and Os guy, rarely drew up plays. Thats not who you want developing a possible franchise PG. Im guessing that Scott was hired for Kobe more than anything. Once Kobe is out of the picture, Im guessing that Scott will be too unless Russell makes a big jump this season.

Once Russell is given the keys to the offense and it becomes his team I believe we will see a different player.

Genuine question, what is Russell's standout skill?

Even when he couldn't shoot the ball into a sinkhole, you could see Rubio's court vision/passing.

Same with Wall, you could immediately see his speed/quickness.

Curry could always shoot.

What skill immediately stands out when you see Russell on the court?

great passer

On the NBA level? That has shown on the floor?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/rookies/sort/assistRatio

Not showing up in the stats.

variables at play.

Not everything can be determined with stats. Eye test is really helpful and very much needed when watching the puky lakers.

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Id take Porzingis over Russell now even though I still believe Russell will be something special in time. Part of the problem IMO is Kobe's farewell tour, and the intimidation factor. The other problem is Byron Scott. He was fired from his last gig because he wasnt an X and Os guy, rarely drew up plays. Thats not who you want developing a possible franchise PG. Im guessing that Scott was hired for Kobe more than anything. Once Kobe is out of the picture, Im guessing that Scott will be too unless Russell makes a big jump this season.

Once Russell is given the keys to the offense and it becomes his team I believe we will see a different player.

Genuine question, what is Russell's standout skill?

Even when he couldn't shoot the ball into a sinkhole, you could see Rubio's court vision/passing.

Same with Wall, you could immediately see his speed/quickness.

Curry could always shoot.

What skill immediately stands out when you see Russell on the court?

great passer

On the NBA level? That has shown on the floor?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/rookies/sort/assistRatio

Not showing up in the stats.

variables at play.

Not everything can be determined with stats. Eye test is really helpful and very much needed when watching the puky lakers.

That's why I'm asking, I haven't seen a standout passer and/or someone with superior court vision.

If others have… okay.

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Id take Porzingis over Russell now even though I still believe Russell will be something special in time. Part of the problem IMO is Kobe's farewell tour, and the intimidation factor. The other problem is Byron Scott. He was fired from his last gig because he wasnt an X and Os guy, rarely drew up plays. Thats not who you want developing a possible franchise PG. Im guessing that Scott was hired for Kobe more than anything. Once Kobe is out of the picture, Im guessing that Scott will be too unless Russell makes a big jump this season.

Once Russell is given the keys to the offense and it becomes his team I believe we will see a different player.

And guess who is the most anti analytic guy in the league? Scott!

I guess that means that Analytics win? Uh ... no. That is stupid. Bryon Scott or any person is irrelevant to the overall argument.

I dont know what the hell you're talking about. My comment had absolutely nothing to do with analytics, nor did it suggest that Scott as Laker coach made me want to pick Porzingis over Russell now. Porzingis doing things in his first few games that few rookies have ever done, Scott has nothing to do with that.

I still believe Russell will be a special player but He's in a f'ed up situation right now and its going to take more time for him to have an impact.

I very much agree with your post. My comment was mostly tongue and cheek for other silly arguments going on today.

My bad mreinman.

GustavBahler wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Id take Porzingis over Russell now even though I still believe Russell will be something special in time. Part of the problem IMO is Kobe's farewell tour, and the intimidation factor. The other problem is Byron Scott. He was fired from his last gig because he wasnt an X and Os guy, rarely drew up plays. Thats not who you want developing a possible franchise PG. Im guessing that Scott was hired for Kobe more than anything. Once Kobe is out of the picture, Im guessing that Scott will be too unless Russell makes a big jump this season.

Once Russell is given the keys to the offense and it becomes his team I believe we will see a different player.

Genuine question, what is Russell's standout skill?

Even when he couldn't shoot the ball into a sinkhole, you could see Rubio's court vision/passing.

Same with Wall, you could immediately see his speed/quickness.

Curry could always shoot.

What skill immediately stands out when you see Russell on the court?

You don't believe Russell has great court vision? Saw enough in college to believe he has. Russell has a very good handle and can hit a 3. Granted, I havent seen that much of him as a Laker, but I do believe he has the skills to be one of the best PGs in the league eventually.

The question was 'on the NBA level' on purpose.

Players standout skills don't go away because of the team they are on. Porzingis hasn't shot well but you could at least see the form.

Is Russell exhibiting the kind of passing and court vision which was his calling card in OSU?

Even if he was turning the ball over or making deft passes to brick shooters the skills would be evident (ala Rubio).

Who's seen that in him?

I haven't.

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Id take Porzingis over Russell now even though I still believe Russell will be something special in time. Part of the problem IMO is Kobe's farewell tour, and the intimidation factor. The other problem is Byron Scott. He was fired from his last gig because he wasnt an X and Os guy, rarely drew up plays. Thats not who you want developing a possible franchise PG. Im guessing that Scott was hired for Kobe more than anything. Once Kobe is out of the picture, Im guessing that Scott will be too unless Russell makes a big jump this season.

Once Russell is given the keys to the offense and it becomes his team I believe we will see a different player.

Genuine question, what is Russell's standout skill?

Even when he couldn't shoot the ball into a sinkhole, you could see Rubio's court vision/passing.

Same with Wall, you could immediately see his speed/quickness.

Curry could always shoot.

What skill immediately stands out when you see Russell on the court?

You don't believe Russell has great court vision? Saw enough in college to believe he has. Russell also a very good handle and can hit a 3. Granted, I havent seen that much of him as a Laker, but I do believe he has the skills to be one of the best PGs in the league eventually.

and an incredible passer to add to that. I was and still am very high on Russell for those reasons.

Yeah, I put passing as part of the whole court vision thing. I believe you did post the first article here on Russell. Many players go through sophmore slumps, I'm guessing it will be the opposite for Russell.

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Id take Porzingis over Russell now even though I still believe Russell will be something special in time. Part of the problem IMO is Kobe's farewell tour, and the intimidation factor. The other problem is Byron Scott. He was fired from his last gig because he wasnt an X and Os guy, rarely drew up plays. Thats not who you want developing a possible franchise PG. Im guessing that Scott was hired for Kobe more than anything. Once Kobe is out of the picture, Im guessing that Scott will be too unless Russell makes a big jump this season.

Once Russell is given the keys to the offense and it becomes his team I believe we will see a different player.

Genuine question, what is Russell's standout skill?

Even when he couldn't shoot the ball into a sinkhole, you could see Rubio's court vision/passing.

Same with Wall, you could immediately see his speed/quickness.

Curry could always shoot.

What skill immediately stands out when you see Russell on the court?

You don't believe Russell has great court vision? Saw enough in college to believe he has. Russell also a very good handle and can hit a 3. Granted, I havent seen that much of him as a Laker, but I do believe he has the skills to be one of the best PGs in the league eventually.

and an incredible passer to add to that. I was and still am very high on Russell for those reasons.

Yeah, I put passing as part of the whole court vision thing. I believe you did post the first article here on Russell. Many players go through sophmore slumps, I'm guessing it will be the opposite for Russell.

I think that he will be good.

Its not just dik heads like kobe who are holding him back. Scott is an idiot, Nick fukking young (argh) and now even Jordan Clarkson is being taught to play like a selfish piece of sh1t.

An idiot team with an idiot coach with zero ball movement is perfect for a high bball IQ rookie ... horrible!

I think the only reason why they keep scott is to insure that they pick top three and don't lose their pick to idiot Hinkie.

I pray that they ending up picking 4th! wet dream!

bigbasketballs wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Id take Porzingis over Russell now even though I still believe Russell will be something special in time. Part of the problem IMO is Kobe's farewell tour, and the intimidation factor. The other problem is Byron Scott. He was fired from his last gig because he wasnt an X and Os guy, rarely drew up plays. Thats not who you want developing a possible franchise PG. Im guessing that Scott was hired for Kobe more than anything. Once Kobe is out of the picture, Im guessing that Scott will be too unless Russell makes a big jump this season.

Once Russell is given the keys to the offense and it becomes his team I believe we will see a different player.

Genuine question, what is Russell's standout skill?

Even when he couldn't shoot the ball into a sinkhole, you could see Rubio's court vision/passing.

Same with Wall, you could immediately see his speed/quickness.

Curry could always shoot.

What skill immediately stands out when you see Russell on the court?

You don't believe Russell has great court vision? Saw enough in college to believe he has. Russell has a very good handle and can hit a 3. Granted, I havent seen that much of him as a Laker, but I do believe he has the skills to be one of the best PGs in the league eventually.

The question was 'on the NBA level' on purpose.

Players standout skills don't go away because of the team they are on. Porzingis hasn't shot well but you could at least see the form.

Is Russell exhibiting the kind of passing and court vision which was his calling card in OSU?

Even if he was turning the ball over or making deft passes to brick shooters the skills would be evident (ala Rubio).

Who's seen that in him?

I haven't.

Like I said, I believe he is in a bad situation right now. Cant really disagree with your assessment of what he's doing now becuase I haven't seen enough of him as a Laker, but I do believe what Russell showed he could do in college we will eventually see in the NBA.

One of Laker games I watched, Scott had Russell standing in the corner behind the arc. No one was passing the ball to him, Kobe was dominating the offense, and Russell looked like an afterthought out there. Hard to have an impact in that kind of situation. Im confident Russell will emerge in time.

GustavBahler wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Id take Porzingis over Russell now even though I still believe Russell will be something special in time. Part of the problem IMO is Kobe's farewell tour, and the intimidation factor. The other problem is Byron Scott. He was fired from his last gig because he wasnt an X and Os guy, rarely drew up plays. Thats not who you want developing a possible franchise PG. Im guessing that Scott was hired for Kobe more than anything. Once Kobe is out of the picture, Im guessing that Scott will be too unless Russell makes a big jump this season.

Once Russell is given the keys to the offense and it becomes his team I believe we will see a different player.

Genuine question, what is Russell's standout skill?

Even when he couldn't shoot the ball into a sinkhole, you could see Rubio's court vision/passing.

Same with Wall, you could immediately see his speed/quickness.

Curry could always shoot.

What skill immediately stands out when you see Russell on the court?

You don't believe Russell has great court vision? Saw enough in college to believe he has. Russell has a very good handle and can hit a 3. Granted, I havent seen that much of him as a Laker, but I do believe he has the skills to be one of the best PGs in the league eventually.

The question was 'on the NBA level' on purpose.

Players standout skills don't go away because of the team they are on. Porzingis hasn't shot well but you could at least see the form.

Is Russell exhibiting the kind of passing and court vision which was his calling card in OSU?

Even if he was turning the ball over or making deft passes to brick shooters the skills would be evident (ala Rubio).

Who's seen that in him?

I haven't.

Like I said, I believe he is in a bad situation right now. Cant really disagree with your assessment of what he's doing now becuase I haven't seen enough of him as a Laker, but I do believe what Russell showed he could do in college we will eventually see in the NBA.

One of Laker games I watched, Scott had Russell standing in the corner behind the arc. No one was passing the ball to him, Kobe was dominating the offense, and Russell looked like an afterthought out there. Hard to have an impact in that kind of situation. Im confident Russell will emerge in time.

that wasn't just the game you watched. Thats pretty much every game.