GustavBahler wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/newyork-knicks/post/_/id/63345/should-derek-fisher-shake-up-the-knicks-backcourt

Consider this number: the Knicks are outscoring opponents by 20.5 points per 36 minutes when reserves Jerian Grant and Langston Galloway are on the court, per NBA.com.

They are getting outscored by 12.1 points per 36 minutes when starters Calderon and Sasha Vujacic are on the floor.

Consider this: Grant is allowing opponents to hit 33 percent of their shots -- 4.8 percent lower than expected, per NBA.com. Opponents are shooting 47 percent against Galloway, which is is right around the expected number.

On the other hand, Calderon's allowing opponents to make 50 percent of their field goal attempts -- 9 percent higher than expected.

Opponents are shooting 58 percent when guarded by Vujacic, 14.5 percent higher than expected.

Not good news for the backcourt. Its why the the second unit is playing more minutes, entering the game sooner, and finishing.

I do understand why Fisher would want to establish a pecking order, and give the vets a chance to show they can handle the starting job. Porzingis is a top 5 pick so its not surprising that he starts, and its a good move by Fisher. I think Fisher would love to replace the backcourt but he wants it done in a way as to not disrespect the vets. Embarrassing vets is not a good way to attract talent. Fisher is a veteran PG, and Im guessing he is treating Calderon like he would want to be treated.

If things dont get better soon, Im sure there will be a roster shuffling, but I get the logic behind giving the vets a fair chance, and Im guessing that Fisher believes that two games isnt one.

I think that's a pretty good point and that seems to be the most likely situation IMO. I'm just hoping that he doesn't take forever to drop the hammer if this situation continues like this. Everyone wants him cut RIGHT NOW. And here's the part about this that still leaves me with some confidence. Calderon is not going to behave like a byotch and ruin the locker room if and when this happens, a la Rondo and others. He'll be professional about it.

herkyJerky wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/newyork-knicks/post/_/id/63345/should-derek-fisher-shake-up-the-knicks-backcourt

Consider this number: the Knicks are outscoring opponents by 20.5 points per 36 minutes when reserves Jerian Grant and Langston Galloway are on the court, per NBA.com.

They are getting outscored by 12.1 points per 36 minutes when starters Calderon and Sasha Vujacic are on the floor.

Consider this: Grant is allowing opponents to hit 33 percent of their shots -- 4.8 percent lower than expected, per NBA.com. Opponents are shooting 47 percent against Galloway, which is is right around the expected number.

On the other hand, Calderon's allowing opponents to make 50 percent of their field goal attempts -- 9 percent higher than expected.

Opponents are shooting 58 percent when guarded by Vujacic, 14.5 percent higher than expected.

Not good news for the backcourt. Its why the the second unit is playing more minutes, entering the game sooner, and finishing.

I do understand why Fisher would want to establish a pecking order, and give the vets a chance to show they can handle the starting job. Porzingis is a top 5 pick so its not surprising that he starts, and its a good move by Fisher. I think Fisher would love to replace the backcourt but he wants it done in a way as to not disrespect the vets. Embarrassing vets is not a good way to attract talent. Fisher is a veteran PG, and Im guessing he is treating Calderon like he would want to be treated.

If things dont get better soon, Im sure there will be a roster shuffling, but I get the logic behind giving the vets a fair chance, and Im guessing that Fisher believes that two games isnt one.

I think that's a pretty good point and that seems to be the most likely situation IMO. I'm just hoping that he doesn't take forever to drop the hammer if this situation continues like this. Everyone wants him cut RIGHT NOW. And here's the part about this that still leaves me with some confidence. Calderon is not going to behave like a byotch and ruin the locker room if and when this happens, a la Rondo and others. He'll be professional about it.

he should man up and say that although he is a competitor that he sees his effect on the team and should volunteer to go to the bench with a reduced role.

dk7th wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/newyork-knicks/post/_/id/63345/should-derek-fisher-shake-up-the-knicks-backcourt

Consider this number: the Knicks are outscoring opponents by 20.5 points per 36 minutes when reserves Jerian Grant and Langston Galloway are on the court, per NBA.com.

They are getting outscored by 12.1 points per 36 minutes when starters Calderon and Sasha Vujacic are on the floor.

Consider this: Grant is allowing opponents to hit 33 percent of their shots -- 4.8 percent lower than expected, per NBA.com. Opponents are shooting 47 percent against Galloway, which is is right around the expected number.

On the other hand, Calderon's allowing opponents to make 50 percent of their field goal attempts -- 9 percent higher than expected.

Opponents are shooting 58 percent when guarded by Vujacic, 14.5 percent higher than expected.

Not good news for the backcourt. Its why the the second unit is playing more minutes, entering the game sooner, and finishing.

I do understand why Fisher would want to establish a pecking order, and give the vets a chance to show they can handle the starting job. Porzingis is a top 5 pick so its not surprising that he starts, and its a good move by Fisher. I think Fisher would love to replace the backcourt but he wants it done in a way as to not disrespect the vets. Embarrassing vets is not a good way to attract talent. Fisher is a veteran PG, and Im guessing he is treating Calderon like he would want to be treated.

If things dont get better soon, Im sure there will be a roster shuffling, but I get the logic behind giving the vets a fair chance, and Im guessing that Fisher believes that two games isnt one.

I think that's a pretty good point and that seems to be the most likely situation IMO. I'm just hoping that he doesn't take forever to drop the hammer if this situation continues like this. Everyone wants him cut RIGHT NOW. And here's the part about this that still leaves me with some confidence. Calderon is not going to behave like a byotch and ruin the locker room if and when this happens, a la Rondo and others. He'll be professional about it.

he should man up and say that although he is a competitor that he sees his effect on the team and should volunteer to go to the bench with a reduced role.

nixluva wrote:It's just WAAAAY too early to push the panic button! It will eventually happen but it should be a natural transition from Jose and Sasha to Jerian and Gallo. Plus they're gonna want to see Afflalo's impact before any hasty decisions.

no panic button for me. i have maintained for months that calderon has no business getting ANY minutes, let alone be a bench player. i knew this would happen, as he plays no defense and that has a trickle down effect that you could have seen a mile away. now the chickens are coming home to roost. maybe posters like you are shocked at how bad he has looked out there on the defensive side, and you're projecting panic onto others? i root for all knicks to succeed, but you have to do what is best for the team's growth and the goal of learning how to become good. this is one obvious way to do that.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's just WAAAAY too early to push the panic button! It will eventually happen but it should be a natural transition from Jose and Sasha to Jerian and Gallo. Plus they're gonna want to see Afflalo's impact before any hasty decisions.

no panic button for me. i have maintained for months that calderon has no business getting ANY minutes, let alone be a bench player. i knew this would happen, as he plays no defense and that has a trickle down effect that you could have seen a mile away. now the chickens are coming home to roost. maybe posters like you are shocked at how bad he has looked out there on the defensive side, and you're projecting panic onto others? i root for all knicks to succeed, but you have to do what is best for the team's growth and the goal of learning how to become good. this is one obvious way to do that.

Two games in and the chickens are coming home to roost? You want Calderon to take himself out of the line up? You want guys to negotiate contracts that pay them less and you want players to take less to be Knicks? I don't think you could find a single Knick fan that isn't aware of Calderon's defensive struggles.

this was supposed to be a defensive-minded squad. this was part of jackson and fisher's mission statement. you do understand that this reduces, drastically, calderon's actual value to the knicks, right? the knicks won't grow as a team if they have to deal with calderon out there to start games. it will induce a collective dissociative state.

same with melo. he keeps up the same old unconscionable shenanigans it will be a big problem.

“Just getting my legs under me,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Washington. “It will come back around. I haven’t been playing 30-plus minutes since February. It’s more of a feeling of getting back into the basketball rhythm, along with the physicality. The knee is completely fine.’’

“It will take a while. I’m still missing that power,’’ said Anthony. “I’m still missing that power especially on that jump shot. It’s more my jump shot than anything else. When I go off the dribble, I feel my power is there — just when I get set for the jumper. It’s just a matter of getting that back. That’ll take a couple of more weeks. My jump shot is flat.‘’

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

“Just getting my legs under me,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Washington. “It will come back around. I haven’t been playing 30-plus minutes since February. It’s more of a feeling of getting back into the basketball rhythm, along with the physicality. The knee is completely fine.’’

“It will take a while. I’m still missing that power,’’ said Anthony. “I’m still missing that power especially on that jump shot. It’s more my jump shot than anything else. When I go off the dribble, I feel my power is there — just when I get set for the jumper. It’s just a matter of getting that back. That’ll take a couple of more weeks. My jump shot is flat.‘’

http://nypost.com/2015/10/31/it-might-take-a-few-weeks-for-carmelo-anthony-to-find-his-shot/

"i realize i am shooting too much and will try to do other things to help the team, like i said i would do."

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

“Just getting my legs under me,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Washington. “It will come back around. I haven’t been playing 30-plus minutes since February. It’s more of a feeling of getting back into the basketball rhythm, along with the physicality. The knee is completely fine.’’

“It will take a while. I’m still missing that power,’’ said Anthony. “I’m still missing that power especially on that jump shot. It’s more my jump shot than anything else. When I go off the dribble, I feel my power is there — just when I get set for the jumper. It’s just a matter of getting that back. That’ll take a couple of more weeks. My jump shot is flat.‘’

http://nypost.com/2015/10/31/it-might-take-a-few-weeks-for-carmelo-anthony-to-find-his-shot/

"i realize i am shooting too much and will try to do other things to help the team, like i said i would do."

NIce. Seems like making adjustments is part of the process two games into the season with basically a new roster.

its nice to say BUT he actually has to do it

nixluva wrote:Who has EVER not acknowledged that Jose is a bad defender? He was that way his entire career! When he was starting for the Mavs and they took the Championship Spurs to 7 games he was a bad defender then too. He just wasn't this bad offensively and was in fact a very efficient scorer and so he started for them and they won far more games than a lot of teams with other guards.

We all want to see this team win and as long as Jose is on the roster we need him to play much better. We also need Melo and Afflalo to play well and stay healthy!!! It's going to be only the 3rd game tonight and it's not panic time. This is going to be a process for EVERYONE on this team to get better and gel and play consistently good ball. ALL of our guards got beat like a drum in the Hawks game!!!

he should not be starting.

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:Who has EVER not acknowledged that Jose is a bad defender? He was that way his entire career! When he was starting for the Mavs and they took the Championship Spurs to 7 games he was a bad defender then too. He just wasn't this bad offensively and was in fact a very efficient scorer and so he started for them and they won far more games than a lot of teams with other guards.

We all want to see this team win and as long as Jose is on the roster we need him to play much better. We also need Melo and Afflalo to play well and stay healthy!!! It's going to be only the 3rd game tonight and it's not panic time. This is going to be a process for EVERYONE on this team to get better and gel and play consistently good ball. ALL of our guards got beat like a drum in the Hawks game!!!

he should not be starting.

I wanted Jerian to start but I can understand that Fish wants to do things this way for now. It's not hard to limit minutes of any player who isn't effective. Still it's not like any of our guards had defensive success in the last game.