Jose, Jerian, Afflalo, Gallo and Vujacic is a very good group of guards around Melo. I think they are solid and more dependable players. The bigs around him are not stars but I think they are efficient and tough. RoLo, Seraphin, O'Quinn, KP, Amundson are good defenders and rim protectors and good at finishing. All of this will breed more trust in his teammates.

ChuckBuck wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:I have a tremendous amount of respect for Pierce...He can't give you what Melo gives you..Paul won't carry your team for a month in his prime...Paul won't give you 42 pts and 17 boards when u need it...

Wait, don't tell me you're bringing up Me7o's stats when he got swept to kingdom come in the first round against this same Boston Celtics team....

The epitome of useless statistics. Holfresh please never bring up stats in a crushing loss and series sweep.

It doesn't help your case.

It is interesting you use he and not the knicks because you are making Holfresh point that teammates matter.
It is also interesting that is the series where Melo lead the team in Rebs, ast, stls, and pts.

Has Me7o ever advanced past the 2nd round in a Knicks uni even when he had tons of supporting cast?

I'll continue to use He as the "face" and "leader" of this franchise.

Just continuous utter disappointment since 2011.

When has he had tons of supporting cast?

Tyson Chandler, JKidd, Ray Felton, KMart, JR Smith, Pablo Prigioni, Amare Stoudemire, Chris Copeland, Iman Shumpert...

I'm sure the typical Roster excuse will come in T minus 3, 2, 1.....

Um if you mean we're any of those guys healthy or did they show up? From your list, which guy had a good playoff series in a Knicks uniform?

Um Me7o himself didn't show up for the playoff series either.

Funny when the Knicks were winning 54 games, the roster didn't seem like a problem...

It's always revisionist history with the homertards.

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

exactly ...

and we all know that Melo is a great player and a HOFer but we also know that he could be and needs to be so much better to be considered elite.

That's what all of us "lovers" have been trying to preach this whole time.

For Me7o to take it another level, take it another notch, while he's been in Blue and Orange. Make his teammates better, make that extra pass, play some D for once.

All we ever hear are excuses....Roster this, coach that, system this, wahhhhh wahhhhhhh

Shut the phuck up and play!

You are hanging you hat on 0.6 asst per game...with Rondo, KG and Ray Allen balling with you...

then you are missing out on paul pierce's artistry and greatness. he is also SO much more fun to watch than melo.

pierce has ball fakes, head fakes, foot fakes, maintains his dribble and changes direction like a knight on a chessboard, always makes the right pass at the right time, often in traffic. his footwork is elite. his defense is superior in every way to melo's too. lastly the dude is straight up cluuuutch.

he is superior in every way to carmelo anthony. in fact pierce has been criminally underrated and overlooked.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

exactly ...

and we all know that Melo is a great player and a HOFer but we also know that he could be and needs to be so much better to be considered elite.

That's what all of us "lovers" have been trying to preach this whole time.

For Me7o to take it another level, take it another notch, while he's been in Blue and Orange. Make his teammates better, make that extra pass, play some D for once.

All we ever hear are excuses....Roster this, coach that, system this, wahhhhh wahhhhhhh

Shut the phuck up and play!

You are hanging you hat on 0.6 asst per game...with Rondo, KG and Ray Allen balling with you...

then you are missing out on paul pierce's artistry and greatness. he is also SO much more fun to watch than melo.

pierce has ball fakes, head fakes, foot fakes, maintains his dribble and changes direction like a knight on a chessboard, always makes the right pass at the right time, often in traffic. his footwork is elite. his defense is superior in every way to melo's too. lastly the dude is straight up cluuuutch.

he is superior in every way to carmelo anthony. in fact pierce has been criminally underrated and overlooked.

Just back from your liquid lunch I see...

CrushAlot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:I have a tremendous amount of respect for Pierce...He can't give you what Melo gives you..Paul won't carry your team for a month in his prime...Paul won't give you 42 pts and 17 boards when u need it...

Wait, don't tell me you're bringing up Me7o's stats when he got swept to kingdom come in the first round against this same Boston Celtics team....

The epitome of useless statistics. Holfresh please never bring up stats in a crushing loss and series sweep.

It doesn't help your case.

It is interesting you use he and not the knicks because you are making Holfresh point that teammates matter.
It is also interesting that is the series where Melo lead the team in Rebs, ast, stls, and pts.

Has Me7o ever advanced past the 2nd round in a Knicks uni even when he had tons of supporting cast?

I'll continue to use He as the "face" and "leader" of this franchise.

Just continuous utter disappointment since 2011.

When has he had tons of supporting cast?

Tyson Chandler, JKidd, Ray Felton, KMart, JR Smith, Pablo Prigioni, Amare Stoudemire, Chris Copeland, Iman Shumpert...

I'm sure the typical Roster excuse will come in T minus 3, 2, 1.....

Um if you mean we're any of those guys healthy or did they show up? From your list, which guy had a good playoff series in a Knicks uniform?

Um Me7o himself didn't show up for the playoff series either.

Funny when the Knicks were winning 54 games, the roster didn't seem like a problem...

It's always revisionist history with the homertards.

Kidd shot 12% in the Indy series. Tyson was destroyed by Hibbert. JR was done once he got suspended in the first round. Nothing revisionist about desert thirst JR. Stoudemire hadn't played all season and barely played in that series. Shump was coming back from injury. I like Pablo and Cope but they never were series changers. It does say something though when guys that were the 14th and 15th men get put on a list of 'tons of supporting cast'. Please tell me what history I revised there.

You forgot to mention the biggest culprit:

Rk    G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp         GS    MP FG FGA  FG% 3P 3PA   3P% FT FTA   FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS GmSc +/-
1     1 2013-04-20 28-326 NYK  BOS  W (+7)  1 40:42 13  29 .448  4   6  .667  6   6 1.000   0   6   6   1   4   0   3  3  36 23.2  -3
2     2 2013-04-23 28-329 NYK  BOS W (+16)  1 39:46 11  24 .458  2   4  .500 10  11  .909   0   4   4   1   0   0   1  2  34 21.3 +22
3     3 2013-04-26 28-332 NYK  BOS W (+14)  1 37:04 12  25 .480  2   6  .333  0   0         0   1   1   0   1   0   2  3  26 11.4  +8
4     4 2013-04-28 28-334 NYK  BOS  L (-7)  1 45:05 10  35 .286  0   7  .000 16  20  .800   1   6   7   2   1   0   7  5  36  9.8 -10
5     5 2013-05-01 28-337 NYK  BOS  L (-6)  1 45:10  8  24 .333  0   5  .000  6   6 1.000   0   7   7   2   0   0   0  1  22 11.5  -4
6     6 2013-05-03 28-339 NYK  BOS  W (+8)  1 39:55  7  23 .304  1   6  .167  6   6 1.000   1   6   7   5   2   1   3  3  21 12.2  +5
7     7 2013-05-05 28-341 NYK  IND  L (-7)  1 35:45 10  28 .357  1   4  .250  6   6 1.000   1  10  11   1   1   0   2  5  27 12.8  +7
8     8 2013-05-07 28-343 NYK  IND W (+26)  1 35:14 13  26 .500  2   5  .400  4   4 1.000   3   6   9   3   2   0   0  4  32 25.4 +20
9     9 2013-05-11 28-347 NYK  IND L (-11)  1 37:16  6  16 .375  1   1 1.000  8  11  .727   1   4   5   1   0   0   4  5  21  7.6 -16
10   10 2013-05-14 28-350 NYK  IND L (-11)  1 40:51  9  23 .391  2   6  .333  4   5  .800   1   8   9   1   1   1   3  6  24 11.2 -18
11   11 2013-05-16 28-352 NYK  IND W (+10)  1 42:11 12  28 .429  1   3  .333  3   4  .750   1   5   6   0   1   0   3  4  28 11.4  +6
12   12 2013-05-18 28-354 NYK  IND  L (-7)  1 41:56 15  29 .517  1   4  .250  8   8 1.000   2   5   7   2   0   0   3  5  39 24.0  -8

You want to say the whole team stunk, Me7o included, fine.

But you can't keep absolving him of any wrongdoing. Dude just doesn't play well in the playoffs, period.

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

I disagree, Paul played with better players, period...He is in higher regard because of the Finals run...

I was actually going by their careers up to their age 30 seasons. Pierce was better and that's not a slight at Melo. Pierce is a really great player.

Better how??? And I too think Pierce is a great player..

Pierce is not a better rounder or scorer...Pierce legacy was created after the big 4 and rightfully so...

I disagree, I think Pierce was a better scorer but Melo has him on rebounding. Pierce was the better assister too.

People can argue who is the better defender all day. I would give Melo the slight edge because he can amp up his defense. I never seen Pierce defend at a high level before the "arrival.

Anyway, I still would take Pierce over Melo.

I think Melo is the better defender when he cares...He is the better rebounder and today can shoot a better three...I think Melo's three has improved since coming to the Knicks...Melo has always been the better post player...Melo has shot a better three at the high point in his career than Pierce has at his high point. stats prove it...Pierce at at 30 was never as good as Melo is today...Pierce in his prime wasn't getting double teamed night in and night out...

ehhh that double team stuff only counts when you can actually pass out of it to find the open man.... maybe he gets double-teamed because coaches know he is not capable of doing it.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

exactly ...

and we all know that Melo is a great player and a HOFer but we also know that he could be and needs to be so much better to be considered elite.

That's what all of us "lovers" have been trying to preach this whole time.

For Me7o to take it another level, take it another notch, while he's been in Blue and Orange. Make his teammates better, make that extra pass, play some D for once.

All we ever hear are excuses....Roster this, coach that, system this, wahhhhh wahhhhhhh

Shut the phuck up and play!

You are hanging you hat on 0.6 asst per game...with Rondo, KG and Ray Allen balling with you...

then you are missing out on paul pierce's artistry and greatness. he is also SO much more fun to watch than melo.

pierce has ball fakes, head fakes, foot fakes, maintains his dribble and changes direction like a knight on a chessboard, always makes the right pass at the right time, often in traffic. his footwork is elite. his defense is superior in every way to melo's too. lastly the dude is straight up cluuuutch.

he is superior in every way to carmelo anthony. in fact pierce has been criminally underrated and overlooked.

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

exactly ...

and we all know that Melo is a great player and a HOFer but we also know that he could be and needs to be so much better to be considered elite.

That's what all of us "lovers" have been trying to preach this whole time.

For Me7o to take it another level, take it another notch, while he's been in Blue and Orange. Make his teammates better, make that extra pass, play some D for once.

All we ever hear are excuses....Roster this, coach that, system this, wahhhhh wahhhhhhh

Shut the phuck up and play!

You are hanging you hat on 0.6 asst per game...with Rondo, KG and Ray Allen balling with you...

then you are missing out on paul pierce's artistry and greatness. he is also SO much more fun to watch than melo.

pierce has ball fakes, head fakes, foot fakes, maintains his dribble and changes direction like a knight on a chessboard, always makes the right pass at the right time, often in traffic. his footwork is elite. his defense is superior in every way to melo's too. lastly the dude is straight up cluuuutch.

he is superior in every way to carmelo anthony. in fact pierce has been criminally underrated and overlooked.

I can't believe this is seriously part of your argument.

dk7th's right though. Melo's 8 to 10 second jab step dribbles rock pounding is excruciating to watch.

Pierce's efficient movements to free himself up actually leads to clutch bucket making.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

exactly ...

and we all know that Melo is a great player and a HOFer but we also know that he could be and needs to be so much better to be considered elite.

That's what all of us "lovers" have been trying to preach this whole time.

For Me7o to take it another level, take it another notch, while he's been in Blue and Orange. Make his teammates better, make that extra pass, play some D for once.

All we ever hear are excuses....Roster this, coach that, system this, wahhhhh wahhhhhhh

Shut the phuck up and play!

You are hanging you hat on 0.6 asst per game...with Rondo, KG and Ray Allen balling with you...

then you are missing out on paul pierce's artistry and greatness. he is also SO much more fun to watch than melo.

pierce has ball fakes, head fakes, foot fakes, maintains his dribble and changes direction like a knight on a chessboard, always makes the right pass at the right time, often in traffic. his footwork is elite. his defense is superior in every way to melo's too. lastly the dude is straight up cluuuutch.

he is superior in every way to carmelo anthony. in fact pierce has been criminally underrated and overlooked.

I can't believe this is seriously part of your argument.

dk7th's right though. Melo's 8 to 10 second jab step dribbles rock pounding is excruciating to watch.

Pierce's efficient movements to free himself up actually leads to clutch bucket making.

It is purely an opinion. I do not enjoy watching Pierce.

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:I have a tremendous amount of respect for Pierce...He can't give you what Melo gives you..Paul won't carry your team for a month in his prime...Paul won't give you 42 pts and 17 boards when u need it...

Wait, don't tell me you're bringing up Me7o's stats when he got swept to kingdom come in the first round against this same Boston Celtics team....

The epitome of useless statistics. Holfresh please never bring up stats in a crushing loss and series sweep.

It doesn't help your case.

mele got swept but pierce had very little to do with it, rondo simply destroyed every guard we had on him, which happen to be a out-of-the-league tony douglas, and what ever schmuck we had. i think it was one game he had like 20 ast, 20 points 17 rebounds

It's funny how you guys be comparing melo to players that have a 10x better supporting cast on both ends.

What about the other 2 times he made the playoffs?

His whole Knick career has been an abomination.

"Truth" hurts, I know...see what I did there!

as oppose to who labron? last i checked only 3 teams have won titles since he's been a knick, so there's about 30 other all stars in melo's position..

what about
Kd
westbrook
harden
lillard
LMA
dirk
gasol
rose
p george

this list is endless

The thing that kills me, you bich about melo, amre, tyson, kidd, every player that comes has played with melo, yet you pin it all on melo,

why would i want KD or westbrook, or harden or any of those guys, when they haven't done sht either

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:I have a tremendous amount of respect for Pierce...He can't give you what Melo gives you..Paul won't carry your team for a month in his prime...Paul won't give you 42 pts and 17 boards when u need it...

Wait, don't tell me you're bringing up Me7o's stats when he got swept to kingdom come in the first round against this same Boston Celtics team....

The epitome of useless statistics. Holfresh please never bring up stats in a crushing loss and series sweep.

It doesn't help your case.

mele got swept but pierce had very little to do with it, rondo simply destroyed every guard we had on him, which happen to be a out-of-the-league tony douglas, and what ever schmuck we had. i think it was one game he had like 20 ast, 20 points 17 rebounds

It's funny how you guys be comparing melo to players that have a 10x better supporting cast on both ends.

What about the other 2 times he made the playoffs?

His whole Knick career has been an abomination.

"Truth" hurts, I know...see what I did there!

as oppose to who labron? last i checked only 3 teams have won titles since he's been a knick, so there's about 30 other all stars in melo's position..

what about
Kd
westbrook
harden
lillard
LMA
dirk
gasol
rose
p george

this list is endless

All have advanced further and accomplished more than Me7o.

what have the accomplish?, there always hurt