nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:This would not have been a bad draft had Fisher not thrown our chance out of the window.

Spilled milk. You can choose to live in the past if you like. Enjoy the milk as it spoils. I don't see how this is a healthy or constructive place to exist. Staying in the present and planning for the future is much better. We do have the #4 pick. We do have cap space to sign FA's. Let's hope we make the most of those assets. IMO that's the more relevant discussion.

Spoken like a true young man, that understands the basic lesson in life.....Theres two things you will never be able to change.....The past and the future!.....I've heard you say this over and over and over again, about living in the past....Thats how abused knick fans cry....Stop wasting your time. Some people choose to live in the past. Either it's their therapy, they can't help it or they rather enjoy it. I was told from day one.....Those who stay in the past, shall perish like the past. Some people like to be eatin alive from the inside out, or they don't realize it....It's similar to an abusive relationship.....But thats their choice, nothing you can do about that. But I do admire your consistency.

BTW...

Cauley-Stein, the guy the Knicks have a chance at drafting, looked smooth with the J, per Chad Ford:

WCS shot it impressively today. Heard he often did the same in UK practices. If he can get that down consistently in a game setting, wow....

This tweet is my favorite....Spoken like someone who can't shoot....Unfortunately, shooting is my best skill in my prime and especially now. The hardest shot is to shoot without defense. Only the great shooters can shoot with defense on them. WCS will not have defenders guarding his jumper. In the NBA, all of his half court shots will be wide open.

Brendan M ‏@BMacinCle 8h8 hours ago
@chadfordinsider I think just about every NBA player can knock down a decent percentage of perimeter shots when no one's guarding them.

BRIGGS wrote:You know whats funny--if we had BOTH Willie Stein AND Kaminsky it would be a decent draft. While different they could both fit together.

WCS and Kaminsky should work quite well. They have no bad overlaps in skills or how they play. I don't know what the Knicks could do in order to get the necessary picks to make that happen. They're both top 10 on Draft Express.

 1	Karl Towns  PF/C
19 yrs; 7'0"; 248 lbs.
Kentucky, Fr
 2	Jahlil Okafor  C
19 yrs; 6'11"; 272 lbs.
Duke, Fr
 3	D'Angelo Russell  PG/SG
19 yrs; 6'5"; 193 lbs.
Ohio State, Fr
 4	Justise Winslow  SF
19 yrs; 6'7"; 222 lbs.
Duke, Fr
 5	Willie Cauley-Stein  C
21 yrs; 7'1"; 242 lbs.
Kentucky, Jr
 6	Emmanuel Mudiay  PG
19 yrs; 6'5"; 200 lbs.
Guangdong, Intl
 7	Mario Hezonja  SG
20 yrs; 6'8"; 200 lbs.
Barcelona, Intl
 8	Frank Kaminsky  PF
22 yrs; 7'1"; 231 lbs.
Wisconsin, Sr
 9	Kristaps Porzingis  PF
19 yrs; 7'0"; 220 lbs.
Sevilla, Intl
 10	Stanley Johnson  SF
19 yrs; 6'7"; 242 lbs.
Arizona, Fr

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Can anyone and I mean anyone--anybody out there--find me ONE player who averaged less than 9 points a gmae as a junior in college basketball who went on to be a start in the last 25 years? Just 1. Good luck!

DeAndre Jordan..Matter of fact, exactly the same numbers as Stein in college..

Sorry Deandre Jordan was a freshmen next.

callmened wrote:why would kaminsky and stein forever be linked for their careers? i see nothing in common in them. lol

Whats in common is both BRIGGS and NIX want them at pick #4.

What scares me about winslow is he wasnt even a top 10 player on his own team in October....Stein has always been the 2nd best under Towns.
http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24750487/nba-draft-15-ranking-the-kentucky-prospects

blkexec wrote:

callmened wrote:why would kaminsky and stein forever be linked for their careers? i see nothing in common in them. lol

Whats in common is both BRIGGS and NIX want them at pick #4.

What scares me about winslow is he wasnt even a top 10 player on his own team in October....Stein has always been the 2nd best under Towns.
http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24750487/nba-draft-15-ranking-the-kentucky-prospects

I dont want Kaminsnky at 4--I think there is a trade down market for him and I can cash in on other assets + get Kaminsky.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Can anyone and I mean anyone--anybody out there--find me ONE player who averaged less than 9 points a gmae as a junior in college basketball who went on to be a start in the last 25 years? Just 1. Good luck!

DeAndre Jordan..Matter of fact, exactly the same numbers as Stein in college..

Sorry Deandre Jordan was a freshmen next.

and was a reasonable gamble as a second round draft pick

Jordan's game on offense is maybe similar to Stein's, except Stein shoots FTs and jumpshots way better... on defense, they are not even in the same league. Jordan is a rim protector and a very good one. Stein can get out and smother the pick and roll and close out on shooters. He's lightning quick and fast as hell down the court. Comparing him to Jordan is silly.

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Can anyone and I mean anyone--anybody out there--find me ONE player who averaged less than 9 points a gmae as a junior in college basketball who went on to be a start in the last 25 years? Just 1. Good luck!

DeAndre Jordan..Matter of fact, exactly the same numbers as Stein in college..

Sorry Deandre Jordan was a freshmen next.

and was a reasonable gamble as a second round draft pick

Jordan's game on offense is maybe similar to Stein's, except Stein shoots FTs and jumpshots way better... on defense, they are not even in the same league. Jordan is a rim protector and a very good one. Stein can get out and smother the pick and roll and close out on shooters. He's lightning quick and fast as hell down the court. Comparing him to Jordan is silly.

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Can anyone and I mean anyone--anybody out there--find me ONE player who averaged less than 9 points a gmae as a junior in college basketball who went on to be a start in the last 25 years? Just 1. Good luck!

DeAndre Jordan..Matter of fact, exactly the same numbers as Stein in college..

Sorry Deandre Jordan was a freshmen next.

and was a reasonable gamble as a second round draft pick

Jordan's game on offense is maybe similar to Stein's, except Stein shoots FTs and jumpshots way better... on defense, they are not even in the same league. Jordan is a rim protector and a very good one. Stein can get out and smother the pick and roll and close out on shooters. He's lightning quick and fast as hell down the court. Comparing him to Jordan is silly.

They were only comparing the PPG - see Briggs originally question

I saw it. I think it's a silly rubric - talking about a defensive player's PPG is like asking about a pitcher's batting average.

But you compared their draft positions and I was just explaining to you why Stein is thought of league wide as a lottery pick and Jordan was not.

I think the question with WCS is he going to be playing hard 35 minutes a night 82 games a year. So far Id answer no but that doesnt mean he wont improve his focus. Can he be a better player with more space---he easily could be but right now he needs work. If the Knicks draft WCS I think he would need a big man helper starting from day 1.

I think his "risk profile" is warranted his scouting report pretty much says the same thing.... this is the same thing DX said--he seems he should be a better player bt for some reason is not.

Willie is very much a defensive oriented player, and a guy who really doesn’t project into much of an offensive contributor ... His work at the free throw line has shown some promise, but he projects mostly as a lob finisher, roll target, and garbage man in an NBA offense ... His touch and shooting are a real weakness in terms of game speed ... He’s also had some ups and downs over his career in terms of focus ... For a player with such immense phyical gifts, it's baffling that he wasn't a more productive player early in his college career ... Feel for the game is a major question mark ... WCS has exhibited more poise, and fire as a junior, but he still has shown times in which he’s seemed a little passive or not 100% into the game ... WCS has the feel of an athlete who is becoming a basketball player, and while the intrigue with his defensive abilities is apparent, he remains a project for the NBA level ... Continued improvement and growth in terms of focus will be needed in order to play a long 82 game NBA season ...