holfresh wrote:Anucha Brown Sanders:

“In an attempt to re-write history, the Garden has issued a Statement about Anucha Browne Sanders’ lawsuit against MSG, Dolan and Thomas that is, at best, misleading and, at worst, a fabrication,’’ Browne’s statement read. “In fact, a jury, after hearing all of the evidence, including Thomas’s self-serving denials, found that Thomas ‘intentionally discriminated against [Browne Sanders] by aiding and abetting a hostile environment based on sex.’

Sex in this context means gender...Not sexual harassment..There is a difference..

Eh, I guess we are really splitting hairs. I'll concede because I don't have the energy anymore, ha. So she was not-sexually harassed at work based on her sex, fine. Except when she was hugged up on I guess, but that wasn't the judgement? Hair splitting. He's a jerk 'sall I know.

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:From the Slate article:

As it happens, the NBA has this week been given the chance to demonstrate that its decisions regarding league figures’ conduct are motivated by principles of decency rather than headlines and PR opportunism.

That chance has been provided by the blundering insensitivity and arrogance of New York Knicks owner James Dolan and his longtime ally, former Detroit Pistons star Isiah Thomas. In 2007, a jury found that Thomas, at the time employed as the Knicks’ coach and team president, had sexually harassed a Knicks executive (and accomplished former basketball player) named Anucha Browne Sanders. Browne Sanders had been terminated after complaining internally about Thomas, and the jury awarded her $11.6 million in punitive damages for the harassment and her firing. Dolan and the Madison Square Garden Company, which owns the Knicks and is controlled by Dolan, were found culpable in Browne Sanders’ mistreatment for firing her. MSG did not appeal the jury’s decision and subsequently settled its legal dispute with Browne Sanders for $11.5 million ahead of a scheduled hearing regarding compensatory damages. Thomas was relieved of his duties in 2008.

On Tuesday, Dolan and Madison Square Garden announced that Isiah Thomas had been rehired—as president of the WNBA’s New York Liberty, which MSG also owns. Yes: James Dolan rehired Isiah Thomas, a jury-certified sexual harasser, to run a women’s basketball team. Here’s MSG’s statement on the issue of Thomas’ past harassment:

We did not believe the allegations then, and we don’t believe them now. We feel strongly that the jury improperly and unfairly held Isiah Thomas responsible for sordid allegations that were completely unrelated to him, and for which MSG bore responsibility.

In fact, when given the opportunity, the jury did not find Isiah liable for punitive damages, confirming he did not act maliciously or in bad faith. We believe Isiah belongs in basketball, and are grateful that he has committed his considerable talent to help the Liberty succeed.

The statement is as astoundingly arrogant (Madison Square Garden is quite skeptical of this “trial by jury” concept!) as it is misleading. As one of Browne Sanders’ lawyers pointed out on Twitter, the jury in fact explicitly found Thomas at fault.

Adam Silver justified Donald Sterling’s lifetime suspension by arguing that Sterling’s statements expressed positions “contrary to the principles of inclusion and respect” that the NBA demands. He explained the league’s previous tolerance of the Clippers’ owner by saying that the TMZ tapes constituted “specific evidence” of Sterling’s abhorrent beliefs. Silver also pointed out that two earlier lawsuits alleging discriminatory behavior by Sterling had been dismissed or settled without a “finding of guilt.”

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No such ambiguity exists in the case of Dolan and Thomas. The jury’s finding is “specific evidence” of malfeasance, and MSG’s actions and statement this week are “specific evidence” of remorselessness and disregard for its employees’ welfare. The NBA’s “principles of inclusion and respect,” meanwhile, surely include respect for women, respect for the importance of a humane workplace, and respect for the ruling of a United States jury. (The WNBA is operated by the NBA.)

The Dolan-Thomas story doesn’t have the sensational dimensions of Sterling’s case—there’s no Hollywood mistress and no secretly recorded tape. What it does have is the sad, sleazy certainty of legally determined facts: Isiah Thomas sexually harassed Anucha Browne Sanders and was abetted by James Dolan and the Madison Square Garden organization. Dolan has now once again insulted Browne Sanders, Madison Square Garden’s other employees, and NBA and WNBA fans by rehiring Thomas. To protect the league’s integrity, and to uphold the principles it correctly asserted in punishing Donald Sterling, Adam Silver should suspend James Dolan from all personal and professional involvement with the WNBA and NBA.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/05/james_dolan_hires_isiah_thomas_as_president_of_the_liberty_the_nba_should.html
Here is the link to the jury verdict that didn't copy with the article:
@HowardBeck pic.twitter.com/vF5VRn8dQa

That is actually incorrect..Please read the statement on what MSG was found guilty of according to Ms. Browne Sanders, in her own words, in Fish's link on page 5 of this thread..Please note the difference...

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holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:From the Slate article:

As it happens, the NBA has this week been given the chance to demonstrate that its decisions regarding league figures’ conduct are motivated by principles of decency rather than headlines and PR opportunism.

That chance has been provided by the blundering insensitivity and arrogance of New York Knicks owner James Dolan and his longtime ally, former Detroit Pistons star Isiah Thomas. In 2007, a jury found that Thomas, at the time employed as the Knicks’ coach and team president, had sexually harassed a Knicks executive (and accomplished former basketball player) named Anucha Browne Sanders. Browne Sanders had been terminated after complaining internally about Thomas, and the jury awarded her $11.6 million in punitive damages for the harassment and her firing. Dolan and the Madison Square Garden Company, which owns the Knicks and is controlled by Dolan, were found culpable in Browne Sanders’ mistreatment for firing her. MSG did not appeal the jury’s decision and subsequently settled its legal dispute with Browne Sanders for $11.5 million ahead of a scheduled hearing regarding compensatory damages. Thomas was relieved of his duties in 2008.

On Tuesday, Dolan and Madison Square Garden announced that Isiah Thomas had been rehired—as president of the WNBA’s New York Liberty, which MSG also owns. Yes: James Dolan rehired Isiah Thomas, a jury-certified sexual harasser, to run a women’s basketball team. Here’s MSG’s statement on the issue of Thomas’ past harassment:

We did not believe the allegations then, and we don’t believe them now. We feel strongly that the jury improperly and unfairly held Isiah Thomas responsible for sordid allegations that were completely unrelated to him, and for which MSG bore responsibility.

In fact, when given the opportunity, the jury did not find Isiah liable for punitive damages, confirming he did not act maliciously or in bad faith. We believe Isiah belongs in basketball, and are grateful that he has committed his considerable talent to help the Liberty succeed.

The statement is as astoundingly arrogant (Madison Square Garden is quite skeptical of this “trial by jury” concept!) as it is misleading. As one of Browne Sanders’ lawyers pointed out on Twitter, the jury in fact explicitly found Thomas at fault.

Adam Silver justified Donald Sterling’s lifetime suspension by arguing that Sterling’s statements expressed positions “contrary to the principles of inclusion and respect” that the NBA demands. He explained the league’s previous tolerance of the Clippers’ owner by saying that the TMZ tapes constituted “specific evidence” of Sterling’s abhorrent beliefs. Silver also pointed out that two earlier lawsuits alleging discriminatory behavior by Sterling had been dismissed or settled without a “finding of guilt.”

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No such ambiguity exists in the case of Dolan and Thomas. The jury’s finding is “specific evidence” of malfeasance, and MSG’s actions and statement this week are “specific evidence” of remorselessness and disregard for its employees’ welfare. The NBA’s “principles of inclusion and respect,” meanwhile, surely include respect for women, respect for the importance of a humane workplace, and respect for the ruling of a United States jury. (The WNBA is operated by the NBA.)

The Dolan-Thomas story doesn’t have the sensational dimensions of Sterling’s case—there’s no Hollywood mistress and no secretly recorded tape. What it does have is the sad, sleazy certainty of legally determined facts: Isiah Thomas sexually harassed Anucha Browne Sanders and was abetted by James Dolan and the Madison Square Garden organization. Dolan has now once again insulted Browne Sanders, Madison Square Garden’s other employees, and NBA and WNBA fans by rehiring Thomas. To protect the league’s integrity, and to uphold the principles it correctly asserted in punishing Donald Sterling, Adam Silver should suspend James Dolan from all personal and professional involvement with the WNBA and NBA.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/05/james_dolan_hires_isiah_thomas_as_president_of_the_liberty_the_nba_should.html
Here is the link to the jury verdict that didn't copy with the article:
@HowardBeck pic.twitter.com/vF5VRn8dQa

That is actually incorrect..Please read the statement on what MSG was found guilty of according to Ms. Browne Sanders, in her own words, in Fish's link on page 5 of this thread..Please note the difference...

I edited my original post with a link to the tweet as I provided the wrong one. It provides the actual verdict from the jury and what he was found guilty of. In the present climate where Sterling was banned for racist comments said in his home this situation seems like a slam dunk for minimally blocking Isiah from employment and ownership in the league and possible discipline of some sort for Dolan. Silver might not get the positive press he got for swiftly handling the Sterling situation but this seems more black and white in my opinion.

CrushAlot wrote:^^^^New link with actual verdict in the pictweet.
https://twitter.com/KevinMintzer/status/595957966571974656

Not seeing his version of the actual verdict..What does it say?..I know it didn't say guilty sexual harassment..

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holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:^^^^New link with actual verdict in the pictweet.
https://twitter.com/KevinMintzer/status/595957966571974656

Not seeing his version of the actual verdict..What does it say?..I know it didn't say guilty sexual harassment..

It isn't his version it was what was handed to the judge. Link works for me. You can go to the article and see the tweet with the picture from the trial if the link is broken.

What does it say??..Doesn't matter..Doc posted the link earlier..

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holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:^^^^New link with actual verdict in the pictweet.
https://twitter.com/KevinMintzer/status/595957966571974656

Not seeing his version of the actual verdict..What does it say?..I know it didn't say guilty sexual harassment..

It isn't his version it was what was handed to the judge. Link works for me. You can go to the article and see the tweet with the picture from the trial if the link is broken.

What does it say??..Doesn't matter..Doc posted the link earlier..

Follow the link. It s the actual verdict.

The last three pages of post is about what we read in the pages of the actual verdict, not anyone's interpretation..I read it already..

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holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:^^^^New link with actual verdict in the pictweet.
https://twitter.com/KevinMintzer/status/595957966571974656

Not seeing his version of the actual verdict..What does it say?..I know it didn't say guilty sexual harassment..

It isn't his version it was what was handed to the judge. Link works for me. You can go to the article and see the tweet with the picture from the trial if the link is broken.

What does it say??..Doesn't matter..Doc posted the link earlier.. Es

Follow the link. It s the actual verdict.

The last three pages of post is about what we read in the pages of the actual verdict, not anyone's interpretation..I read it already..

I am not interpreting it. I just agree that Isiah should not be allowed to own and run a Wnba team. I am not interested in different definitions of the crime the guy was found guilty of. Being found guilty should disqualify him from employment in the Wnba.

That's fine to have that opinion..But do you know what he was found guilty of is the question..Don't feel bad..Slate Mag didn't know..

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:^^^^New link with actual verdict in the pictweet.
https://twitter.com/KevinMintzer/status/595957966571974656

Not seeing his version of the actual verdict..What does it say?..I know it didn't say guilty sexual harassment..

It isn't his version it was what was handed to the judge. Link works for me. You can go to the article and see the tweet with the picture from the trial if the link is broken.

What does it say??..Doesn't matter..Doc posted the link earlier.. Es

Follow the link. It s the actual verdict.

The last three pages of post is about what we read in the pages of the actual verdict, not anyone's interpretation..I read it already..

I am not interpreting it. I just agree that Isiah should not be allowed to own and run a Wnba team. I am not interested in different definitions of the crime the guy was found guilty of. Being found guilty should disqualify him from employment in the Wnba.

That's fine to have that opinion..But do you know what he was found guilty of is the question..

Yep. That is why the link to what the jury handed to the judge is posted.

Does it say sexual harassment? I'll answer, NO!

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:^^^^New link with actual verdict in the pictweet.
https://twitter.com/KevinMintzer/status/595957966571974656

Not seeing his version of the actual verdict..What does it say?..I know it didn't say guilty sexual harassment..

It isn't his version it was what was handed to the judge. Link works for me. You can go to the article and see the tweet with the picture from the trial if the link is broken.

What does it say??..Doesn't matter..Doc posted the link earlier.. Es

Follow the link. It s the actual verdict.

The last three pages of post is about what we read in the pages of the actual verdict, not anyone's interpretation..I read it already..

I am not interpreting it. I just agree that Isiah should not be allowed to own and run a Wnba team. I am not interested in different definitions of the crime the guy was found guilty of. Being found guilty should disqualify him from employment in the Wnba.

That's fine to have that opinion..But do you know what he was found guilty of is the question..

Yep. That is why the link to what the jury handed to the judge is posted.

Does it say sexual harassment? I'll answer, NO!

Again, my issue is with Isiah and Dolan. I wasn't a part of the earlier discussion. I now realize you wantedme to say that isiah was found guilty of discrimination based on gender. My issue is he shouldn't be employed in any capacity by the Wnba after being found guilty of discriminating based on gender. Didn't realize that was why you kept asking what the link said.