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gunsnewing
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4/12/2015  2:09 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I'm ok with Greg Monroe but I just want to give an example of the difference between Greg Monroe and Brook Lopez. I dont think if they changed spots that Monroe could help Brooklyn win games like Lopez has done. Lopez has dominated the NBA since they gave him more space moving Young to 4 and Brooklyn moved way up in the standings quick. I dont think Monroe can have the same effect in anyway.

Lopez teams are 10-3 since moving him to starting 5 with Young at 4

Monroe teams have lost 12 in a row 0-12 the last 12 he played. Hes never been on a winning team or even close.

Even with some people breaking them on Kanter--OKC is 14-10 with him with BIG time injuries on their team. And he has a game that I think will keep expanding.

It is possible Greg Monroe can be ok with more minutes and space and the Knicks are in the position of beggars and choosers.


https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4472/

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4722/

Oh and Monroe doesn't play with a guard as gifted as Westbrook
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4/12/2015  2:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/12/2015  2:10 PM
Brooks doesn't defend or rebound..He holds the ball to long to get going..He disrupts the flow of the offense..He and Melo should be awesome..Dude has bad feet and is probably keeping it together to sign with another sucker..
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4/12/2015  2:10 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'm ok with Greg Monroe but I just want to give an example of the difference between Greg Monroe and Brook Lopez. I dont think if they changed spots that Monroe could help Brooklyn win games like Lopez has done. Lopez has dominated the NBA since they gave him more space moving Young to 4 and Brooklyn moved way up in the standings quick. I dont think Monroe can have the same effect in anyway.


https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4472/

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4722/

Durability is the difference between Monroe & Brook Lopez. Simple as that.

Oh and passing. Brook is another black hole like Kanter

guns--Monroe can pass as much as he wants--look at his effect on games. He looses a LOT. Stats are great--but the effect of those stats on W_L is more important.

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4/12/2015  2:12 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'm ok with Greg Monroe but I just want to give an example of the difference between Greg Monroe and Brook Lopez. I dont think if they changed spots that Monroe could help Brooklyn win games like Lopez has done. Lopez has dominated the NBA since they gave him more space moving Young to 4 and Brooklyn moved way up in the standings quick. I dont think Monroe can have the same effect in anyway.

Lopez teams are 10-3 since moving him to starting 5 with Young at 4

Monroe teams have lost 12 in a row 0-12 the last 12 he played. Hes never been on a winning team or even close.

Even with some people breaking them on Kanter--OKC is 14-10 with him with BIG time injuries on their team. And he has a game that I think will keep expanding.

It is possible Greg Monroe can be ok with more minutes and space and the Knicks are in the position of beggars and choosers.


https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4472/

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4722/

Oh and Monroe doesn't play with a guard as gifted as Westbrook

Hes playing with a PG who's better than many in this league--after a tough start Reggie Jackson has been very very good. And Kanter doesnt have a shot blocking C like Drummond next to him.

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4/12/2015  2:12 PM
Monroe's stats actually aren't great, and has suspect defense.
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4/12/2015  2:13 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'm ok with Greg Monroe but I just want to give an example of the difference between Greg Monroe and Brook Lopez. I dont think if they changed spots that Monroe could help Brooklyn win games like Lopez has done. Lopez has dominated the NBA since they gave him more space moving Young to 4 and Brooklyn moved way up in the standings quick. I dont think Monroe can have the same effect in anyway.


https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4472/

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4722/

Durability is the difference between Monroe & Brook Lopez. Simple as that.

Oh and passing. Brook is another black hole like Kanter

Brook's next foot injury will end his career. And its not like he is a small guy putting pressure on his feet. Maybe he and the team that gets him is lucky and his feet don't cause him to miss major time again or end his career. But, the Knicks have gone all in on those guys twice in McDyess and Amare and both were disasters.
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4/12/2015  2:14 PM
holfresh wrote:Brooks doesn't defend or rebound..He holds the ball to long to get going..He disrupts the flow of the offense..He and Melo should be awesome..Dude has bad feet and is probably keeping it together to sign with another sucker..

Brook LOpez by himself is willing the Nets to win games. He has been dominant hes scoring nearly 30 points on close to 60% shooting rebounding well and hes good for close to 2 blocked shots a game. Hes a better player than Monroe another tier up easily.

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4/12/2015  2:17 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'm ok with Greg Monroe but I just want to give an example of the difference between Greg Monroe and Brook Lopez. I dont think if they changed spots that Monroe could help Brooklyn win games like Lopez has done. Lopez has dominated the NBA since they gave him more space moving Young to 4 and Brooklyn moved way up in the standings quick. I dont think Monroe can have the same effect in anyway.


https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4472/

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4722/

Durability is the difference between Monroe & Brook Lopez. Simple as that.

Oh and passing. Brook is another black hole like Kanter

Brook's next foot injury will end his career. And its not like he is a small guy putting pressure on his feet. Maybe he and the team that gets him is lucky and his feet don't cause him to miss major time again or end his career. But, the Knicks have gone all in on those guys twice in McDyess and Amare and both were disasters.

Yep there is risk. Thats what MDs are there for. If his foot is solid aftre MRI scanning if it says he has no more chance of breaking his foot than anyone else thanwhat can we say? Amare--they knew his knee was fcked up and Mcdyess was never not hurt. Lopez on the other hand has played in many games and big minutes. Its possible his foot is just completely healed up.

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4/12/2015  2:19 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
holfresh wrote:Brooks doesn't defend or rebound..He holds the ball to long to get going..He disrupts the flow of the offense..He and Melo should be awesome..Dude has bad feet and is probably keeping it together to sign with another sucker..

Brook LOpez by himself is willing the Nets to win games. He has been dominant hes scoring nearly 30 points on close to 60% shooting rebounding well and hes good for close to 2 blocked shots a game. Hes a better player than Monroe another tier up easily.

U are acting like we don't have a bad history with injured players on max deals..
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4/12/2015  2:20 PM
Brook has had four foot surgeries and he is only 27. The last time they rebuilt his arch and he had to learn to walk differently. Not the guy the Knicks should take a risk on in my opinion.
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4/12/2015  2:24 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'm ok with Greg Monroe but I just want to give an example of the difference between Greg Monroe and Brook Lopez. I dont think if they changed spots that Monroe could help Brooklyn win games like Lopez has done. Lopez has dominated the NBA since they gave him more space moving Young to 4 and Brooklyn moved way up in the standings quick. I dont think Monroe can have the same effect in anyway.


https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4472/

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4722/

Durability is the difference between Monroe & Brook Lopez. Simple as that.

Oh and passing. Brook is another black hole like Kanter

guns--Monroe can pass as much as he wants--look at his effect on games. He looses a LOT. Stats are great--but the effect of those stats on W_L is more important.

Basketball is a team game though. Monroe is a piece to the puzzle. As much as I despise Melo and the contract we gave him Detroit does not have a player like Melo. Monroe can really flourish here in NY
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4/12/2015  2:25 PM
i dont think briggs is hinting at acquiring Lopez, but rather comparing the two players. Lopez can shoot better than Monroe easily, but injuries kill him. Wouldnt want neither player primarily due to defense.
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4/12/2015  2:25 PM
knickscity wrote:BTW, I wont post charts and graph's, but if you care about Monroe that much read a recent article about him. be truthful and read the entire article.

http://bballbreakdown.com/2015/03/31/is-greg-monroe-a-good-long-term-fit-with-the-detroit-pistons/

This is a perfect example of teams being much better off with a spread offense and opening up the court when a bug lug goes out.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/12/2015  2:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/12/2015  2:31 PM
holfresh wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
holfresh wrote:Brooks doesn't defend or rebound..He holds the ball to long to get going..He disrupts the flow of the offense..He and Melo should be awesome..Dude has bad feet and is probably keeping it together to sign with another sucker..

Brook LOpez by himself is willing the Nets to win games. He has been dominant hes scoring nearly 30 points on close to 60% shooting rebounding well and hes good for close to 2 blocked shots a game. Hes a better player than Monroe another tier up easily.

U are acting like we don't have a bad history with injured players on max deals..

lol took the words right out of my mouth.

Signing Lopez would be so Knick-like its ridiculous
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4/12/2015  2:28 PM
knickscity wrote:Now I will address Monroe's offense. I hear he's consistent, I disagree. His %'s have come down with more use, and his free throw % isnt all that great. he really isnt a good shooter outside of point blank shots.

Anyone wanna take a stab as to why his ts% is so low? Dont say he doesnt take threes, so it's unfair to use ts%.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/monrogr01.html

mainly because he shoots 40 percent of his shots between 3-10 feet and he shoots a disgusting 36% on these shots.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/12/2015  2:29 PM
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:BTW, I wont post charts and graph's, but if you care about Monroe that much read a recent article about him. be truthful and read the entire article.

http://bballbreakdown.com/2015/03/31/is-greg-monroe-a-good-long-term-fit-with-the-detroit-pistons/

This is a perfect example of teams being much better off with a spread offense and opening up the court when a bug lug goes out.

Drummomd and Monroe both occupy the same space on the floor. That's why you need a Towns of someone similar next to him that can open up the floor
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knickscity wrote:BTW, I wont post charts and graph's, but if you care about Monroe that much read a recent article about him. be truthful and read the entire article.

http://bballbreakdown.com/2015/03/31/is-greg-monroe-a-good-long-term-fit-with-the-detroit-pistons/

Seems like even tho the team has won recently without Monroe, he doesn't have a bad rep with his coach.

Publicly, head coach/team president Stan Van Gundy has repeatedly professed his admiration for Monroe. Upon taking the Pistons job last May, he described the Monroe-Drummond duo as “an ideal pairing” and “a great combination on the offensive end of the floor, especially when the three guys around them were shooters,” according to Pistons.com’s Keith Langlois.

Van Gundy hasn’t just limited his praise to Monroe’s on-court talent, either.

“I’ve got great respect for Greg as a player, and he’s the kind of person you want in your organization going forward,” he told Bob Wojnowski of The Detroit News in mid-February. “Greg sees the path we’re on and I hope he’s gained some faith in that. I know he’ll have a lot to consider, but I hope he sees we’re trying to do things the right way and he wants to be a part of it. But regardless, we still want him for the rest of the year.”

Recently, when asked whether the Pistons were considering shutting Monroe down for the year due to his knee ailment, Van Gundy demurred, saying, “Guys like Greg, who are an integral part of what we are doing, a real solid pro—you want those guys around you all the time,” per Mike Brudenell of the Detroit Free Press.

But although Monroe is an offensively gifted, seemingly high-character player, it doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a great long-term fit with the Pistons.

He may not be a great fit in Detroit. He may, however, be a great fit in NY with our style of play.

I agree. He may stink in a more modern offense but he may be perfect for the triangle.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/12/2015  2:30 PM
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knickscity wrote:Now I will address Monroe's offense. I hear he's consistent, I disagree. His %'s have come down with more use, and his free throw % isnt all that great. he really isnt a good shooter outside of point blank shots.

Anyone wanna take a stab as to why his ts% is so low? Dont say he doesnt take threes, so it's unfair to use ts%.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/monrogr01.html

Monroe is not perfect but if Phil signs him it's because he thinks Monroe will fit the system. What better options are there? Durant, Alridge & Gasol are not coming here and they are older require veteran tier max money

If phil drafts Ok4 over Towns then he may think that he would be better for THE system.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/12/2015  2:33 PM
knickscity wrote:i dont think briggs is hinting at acquiring Lopez, but rather comparing the two players. Lopez can shoot better than Monroe easily, but injuries kill him. Wouldnt want neither player primarily due to defense.

Briggs has more than hinted at signing lopez a number of times.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/12/2015  2:36 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:BTW, I wont post charts and graph's, but if you care about Monroe that much read a recent article about him. be truthful and read the entire article.

http://bballbreakdown.com/2015/03/31/is-greg-monroe-a-good-long-term-fit-with-the-detroit-pistons/

This is a perfect example of teams being much better off with a spread offense and opening up the court when a bug lug goes out.

Drummomd and Monroe both occupy the same space on the floor. That's why you need a Towns of someone similar next to him that can open up the floor

you are forgetting that Melo is a ball hog and loves (holding) the ball down there. If towns wants touches for experience he will need to go into the locker room during games and play NBA Jam.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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