I think ok4 can develop a jumper but I'm sure people though Sweetney would too

gunsnewing wrote:A real downside would be if ok4 turned into Mike Sweetney. Awesome in college and exposed in pros because he could only play inside.

I think ok4 can develop a jumper but I'm sure people though Sweetney would too

and that Tyson would too. And Al Jeff ....

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

I keep putting the Al Jefferson question out there but everyone is avoiding answering it like the plague.

Well, Jefferson didn't go to college and was a mid first round pick, so in terms of evaluating his game before he gets to the league, it's a hard comparison to make. It took Jefferson three years to get playing time and put up numbers. Because of Okafor's high profile and likely being a top two pick, he's going to get scrutiny and playing time right off the bat, which Jefferson never had. Okafor could wind up a similar pro to Jefferson, but it's hard to tell where Jefferson was when he was 18 because we never saw him play against college competition.

so you would be happy if he ended being as good as Jefferson?

I've already gone on record in this thread and in conversation with you that I don't want Okafor. I fear he's going to be a bust. Mainly because quite a few Duke post players have put up 60%+ FG percentages in college and gone on to be mediocre in the NBA.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:towns has only played 25minutes or more 9 times this season (and less than 20minutes 16 times which is very alarming to me), so to project what he does in 20minutes into 40 is pretty fluky. who knows if he'd be able to hold up either?

Yea that is the unfortunate thing about this kentucky team. There is no way of knowing what Towns could do in the 30+ mins OK4 sees every game

dont get me wrong bro, if i have the #1 pick, im taking towns. i think it's close between the him and ok4. i just get the feeling you're not seeing any of the question marks about towns, because some of them are valid. i know how you get your hopes up lol.

I feel the same. I'd love to have either but I have bigger reservations for ok4 in the NBA than Towns. Last time i was as deadset on a knick prospect it was on Bynum & Bogut. We could've used both guys but we drafted crue over Bynum. Had no shot to draft Bogut.

We get to debate until then

I keep putting the Al Jefferson question out there but everyone is avoiding answering it like the plague.

Yes, I would be happy with an Al Jefferson type of prospect. What seperates good from great are the little things. What if he is AL Jefferson but gets to the line 7-9 times a game. What if he raise he FT% to 65-70% going to the line at that rate? What if he works he but off and combine his offensive ability with a Roy Hibbert like game on defense?

I just don't know how Al responded to coaching or what his drive is. I don't know OK4's either but he has a great baseline to work with. I don't know how Jefferson Knee injury hurt his development either. Nothing is a sure thing.

What if Towns only becomes Tyson Chandler or bust out because He talks to his imaginary friend Carlito too much? Who knows.

I want the mile high ceiling not the guaranteed 7 foot ceiling.

you doesn't but this is just a scenario you are throwing out. It doesn't mean he is or will only become the next AL Jefferson. Like I said if Al Jefferson gets to the FT line more he would be seen as a vastly different player in everyone eyes. His baseline could just as easily be seen as Andrew Bynum. Andrew Bynum could wreck the league right now if he was healthy. Side note: He needs a camp invite and physical. Who knows what that little thing is that seperates OK4 from being the next Duncan, Bynum, or Jefferson.

What is keeping Myers Leonard from being Nikolas Vucevic or Aldridge?

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

I keep putting the Al Jefferson question out there but everyone is avoiding answering it like the plague.

Well, Jefferson didn't go to college and was a mid first round pick, so in terms of evaluating his game before he gets to the league, it's a hard comparison to make. It took Jefferson three years to get playing time and put up numbers. Because of Okafor's high profile and likely being a top two pick, he's going to get scrutiny and playing time right off the bat, which Jefferson never had. Okafor could wind up a similar pro to Jefferson, but it's hard to tell where Jefferson was when he was 18 because we never saw him play against college competition.

so you would be happy if he ended being as good as Jefferson?

I've already gone on record in this thread and in conversation with you that I don't want Okafor. I fear he's going to be a bust. Mainly because quite a few Duke post players have put up 60%+ FG percentages in college and gone on to be mediocre in the NBA.

oh sorry ... so we are on the same page.

Carlos boozer and elton brand.

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Hibbert or ajinca

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:A disappointment would be if OK4 is Sullinger but he's clearly better. Al Jefferson/boozer/Brand downside would be fine. Better than a lot of high draft busts. Heck Sullinger is better than the bennett, Dario,SKITAS of the world

NO!!

We get one draft pick every three years, we can't afford to fail. I know ... its a crap shoot but that is our bed.

Thats why its great to be philly right now since they can afford to hit and miss with all their picks.

Chances of hitting big on picks are not good which is why you want to stockpile them.

not really true... the amount of top 5 picks that are busts is not big. Some drafts are better than others but most top 5 picks are good NBA players at the very least.

I love the idea of hitting a home run, but Im not going to swing for the fences when the bases are loaded and an RBI double is within reach.

I mean what are we basing Town's superior ceiling on? His superior athleticism? His defensive prowess? What Towns does on defense isnt going to happen in the NBA. You think he's just going to be able to allowed to freelance while Stein locks down the middle swatting shots from the 6'7-6'8 forwards that populate that conference?

The Knicks have overpaid in trades for former top five picks named Marbury, Bargnani and Eddy Curry.

There are a lot of top five pick busts. (Marbury wasn't really one, he was more chewed up by the Isiah era and the Dolan mismanagement in general.)

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:A disappointment would be if OK4 is Sullinger but he's clearly better. Al Jefferson/boozer/Brand downside would be fine. Better than a lot of high draft busts. Heck Sullinger is better than the bennett, Dario,SKITAS of the world

NO!!

We get one draft pick every three years, we can't afford to fail. I know ... its a crap shoot but that is our bed.

Thats why its great to be philly right now since they can afford to hit and miss with all their picks.

Chances of hitting big on picks are not good which is why you want to stockpile them.

If we don't get the -SG pick we won't have a choice but to take ok4 if he's there and there's nothing wrong with that. Anthony Davis and duncan are not in this draft

I thought the Ok4 was labeled as Tim Duncan by our leader?

fishmike wrote:The Duke bigmen thing is fine.. I cant defend that except to say every player is different. Bargs and Curry fall under my group of players picked by potential over production. Curry was in HS and dominated there, so at least the Bulls had that. Ultimately it wasnt a talent problem with Curry it was a personality problem (work ethic) but again.... body of work. Town's body of work is incomplete, so you have to make assumptions. Marbury dominated college and was a very good pro despite being an ******* who alientated his teams, but he could surely play. Bargs was another euro playing 15-20 minutes that people were trying to "project" on and that might have been the worst draft ever.

I agree with you about personality being a big component. That's one reason I like D'Angelo Russell the best. Kid just seems like he has the flair to excel in NYC under the big lights. Towns has obviously down well on a huge stage in Kentucky which is also basically NBA training camp for prospects, though not consistently. Something about Okafor's demeanor, quiet... I don't know if I see it working in NY. I guess Ewing did okay though.

That said - the big thing I keep coming back to - all those Duke guys were really hard workers and took themselves and their games seriously. Boozer and Brand had some success, but I think it's fair to say Brand was something of a disappointment for a #1 overall pick. Laettner was a big time bust. Shelden Williams was awful.

I don't know. This is all obviously speculation, but if I had my pick, I'd take Russell. I'd be tempted to take Towns, but as you've said, that involves some speculation and hope. Though he has had some dominant games.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:A disappointment would be if OK4 is Sullinger but he's clearly better. Al Jefferson/boozer/Brand downside would be fine. Better than a lot of high draft busts. Heck Sullinger is better than the bennett, Dario,SKITAS of the world

NO!!

We get one draft pick every three years, we can't afford to fail. I know ... its a crap shoot but that is our bed.

Thats why its great to be philly right now since they can afford to hit and miss with all their picks.

Chances of hitting big on picks are not good which is why you want to stockpile them.

not really true... the amount of top 5 picks that are busts is not big. Some drafts are better than others but most top 5 picks are good NBA players at the very least.

I love the idea of hitting a home run, but Im not going to swing for the fences when the bases are loaded and an RBI double is within reach.

I mean what are we basing Town's superior ceiling on? His superior athleticism? His defensive prowess? What Towns does on defense isnt going to happen in the NBA. You think he's just going to be able to allowed to freelance while Stein locks down the middle swatting shots from the 6'7-6'8 forwards that populate that conference?

his defense is very good when Stein is off the floor as well. Does he have a lot to learn on defense? Of course he does. He's 19!!! And possibly not done growing.

Also, it seems that you don't care to have a true stretch big as much as I do.

If we end up getting Ok4, it would not be a disaster. He will be a good player but I would be disappointed.

And, I can see ok4 coming into the NBA and after a few years have gained 100 pounds ... eeeesh. Thats all we need ... another fat mooby

you really didnt say anything here. OK4 getting fat? Huh? He's already shown he can carry an elite team with his scoring and is playing hurt right now.

I find it a bit funny a TS% isnt drooling over a guy who only takes great HIGH% shots, and does so at a rate that hasnt been seen in CBB since Hakeem was a junior (Shaq didnt score at OK4's rate).

Stretch big is nice. Easier to find. I can overpay Milsap. He's great from 18+ feet and plays rugged D and hits the boards. He would be a nice piece to put next to OK4 and is looking for a big payday.

Towns is a project and we will have no clue for a couple years. He's sure as hell not ready for the NBA.

Kelly Olynyk
Carlos Boozer

There are many and Ok4 definitely has an excellent excellent TS. I am worried how it will translate to the NBA ...

Listen ... I am not saying that Ok4 will be a bust. He will probably be a very good player and of course he is in my top 3. However, I like the upside of Russell and Towns more.

What should I say ... my eye test has setting my alarm.

fishmike wrote:So Ive heard OK4 is going to get fat, compared him to Mike Sweetney.. the stuff Im reading is silly.

How about this.. can you guys find a college player who had pedestrian #s like Towns has now and went on to be an NBA star? Its easy to find busts... lets go the other way. Who was the NCAA guy who played a role like Stien and blossomed into a star?

Please name one... I think this would solidify the Towns>OK4 case. At least give us something to work with. Right now its farts and fairy tales

he has a fat-tendency build