EwingsGlass wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

misterearl wrote:When Langston Galloway is put on a pedestal as a sign things are getting better, that is a clear indication of how how far the Knicks have fallen ... And how far we will need to elevate to compete with the rest of the Eastern Conference, let alone dominate.

Langston Galloway is a player gaining valuable experience in a vacuum. He has demonstrated some valuable traits in a brief cameo. There is no scouting report on him and he is an unknown to other teams. Langston Galloway is auditioning. He is not an answer to breaking down John Wall or any elite NBA guard.

nixluva - if Langston Galloway is the best current example of front office excellence you can offer, we are in deeper trouble than you realize.

Galloway is a guy the Knicks scouted at the Portsmouth Tournament last April. When he went undrafted they signed him to their summer league squad. He was invited to camp and was one of the players the Knicks protected from the d league draft. He played well in Westchester and was brought up and has done well as a Knick. Not sure what is wrong with finding a positive here. Posters champion a guy like Daryl Morey, a guy who's organization does a brilliant job of developing guys on their d league affiliate team, but when the Knicks use the developmental process correctly it is an indication that they have 'fallen'. There is plenty to criticize if that is what you want to do but the Knicks got this one right.

Hey, no fair! You used facts to defend your position. Try and stick to anecdotal evidence with pop culture reference.

nixluva wrote:Also can we at least recognize that this team has been cleaned out? Can we acknowledge that this team will be remade this summer in terms of adding some frontline players? This current roster is not designed to impress. It's the start of a process to assess prospects and see who might be worth keeping around next year. The draft and Free Agency is gong to be used to bring in starting level talent this summer. We can't know how successful that will be until after we see who is brought in and they play together. Still I see no reason to make claims this franchise won't "recover for a decade".

(Please pardon the duplicate post)

Nixluva - the simplicity of your reliance upon a draft pick and free agents is staggering.

In the sixties, When the Knicks locker room could have fractured over issues of race, Bill Bradley stepped up and reminded young players that divisive behavior would not be tolerated.

When Cazzie struggled with playing understudy to Bradley and created a distraction, Willis Reed consoled and guided him.

When Earl Monroe arrived from Baltimore, Clyde adjusted his game to make room for a prodigious talent playing the identical position. Two point guards? Piece of cake. Clyde understood, without the press telling him it would never work.

JR ran crazy in New York because there was no leader on the court or in the locker room to demand that he conform to the Knicks way of doing things. Lebron runs the Cavs. Jordan ran the Bulls. Larry Bird was known as the traffic cop in Boston. JRSmith has the skill set of Kobe Bryant, yet he rarely harnesses it in the manner Kobe sets laser focus on a goal. Talent is not enough.

Great teams are not led by coaches. They are led by great players.

Leadership happens away from the lights, the press and apart from the coaching staff. It is baffling how followers delude themselves into believing transformation from 10 wins to The Finals is as simple as a draft pick and some free agents.

Draft picks do not have a voice in the locker room and free agents will have to create an intimate and respected leadership on the fly.

If you are ever in an NBA locker room, note how often the coaching staff is absent. Leadership does NOT come an offensive scheme or X's and O's... Leadership comes from the respected voice(s) in the locker room. In an airport waiting area, at the hotel restaurant. During practice, away from the action.

Without veteran continuity, there is no leadership. Without leadership, you got nothing but empty individual statistics on a piece of paper. That is a stone cold fact.

Our beloved New York Knicks are a bunch of guys playing pickup ball. Changing the culture sounds good in theory and makes for positive spin. Installing a culture that is based on trust, responsibility and unselfish acts is more than a notion. It requires veterans who have been exposed to a championship playing personality and a total team commitment to excellence, on and off the court.

The reason the San Antonio Spurs have multiple rings is not due to simply superior talent. They installed a championship playing personality over a decade ago.

We are starting from scratch and every single transaction will not pan out.

Where is our leadership coming from?

misterearl wrote:Talent Alone Does Not Win

nixluva wrote:Also can we at least recognize that this team has been cleaned out? Can we acknowledge that this team will be remade this summer in terms of adding some frontline players? This current roster is not designed to impress. It's the start of a process to assess prospects and see who might be worth keeping around next year. The draft and Free Agency is gong to be used to bring in starting level talent this summer. We can't know how successful that will be until after we see who is brought in and they play together. Still I see no reason to make claims this franchise won't "recover for a decade".

(Please pardon the duplicate post)

Nixluva - the simplicity of your reliance upon a draft pick and free agents is staggering.

In the sixties, When the Knicks locker room could have fractured over issues of race, Bill Bradley stepped up and reminded young players that divisive behavior would not be tolerated.

When Cazzie struggled with playing understudy to Bradley and created a distraction, Willis Reed consoled and guided him.

When Earl Monroe arrived from Baltimore, Clyde adjusted his game to make room for a prodigious talent playing the identical position. Two point guards? Piece of cake. Clyde understood, without the press telling him it would never work.

JR ran crazy in New York because there was no leader on the court or in the locker room to demand that he conform to the Knicks way of doing things. Lebron runs the Cavs. Jordan ran the Bulls. Larry Bird was known as the traffic cop in Boston. JRSmith has the skill set of Kobe Bryant, yet he rarely harnesses it in the manner Kobe sets laser focus on a goal. Talent is not enough.

Great teams are not led by coaches. They are led by great players.

Leadership happens away from the lights, the press and apart from the coaching staff. It is baffling how followers delude themselves into believing transformation from 10 wins to The Finals is as simple as a draft pick and some free agents.

Draft picks do not have a voice in the locker room and free agents will have to create an intimate and respected leadership on the fly.

If you are ever in an NBA locker room, note how often the coaching staff is absent. Leadership does NOT come an offensive scheme or X's and O's... Leadership comes from the respected voice(s) in the locker room. In an airport waiting area, at the hotel restaurant. During practice, away from the action.

Without veteran continuity, there is no leadership. Without leadership, you got nothing but empty individual statistics on a piece of paper. That is a stone cold fact.

Our beloved New York Knicks are a bunch of guys playing pickup ball. Changing the culture sounds good in theory and makes for positive spin. Installing a culture that is based on trust, responsibility and unselfish acts is more than a notion. It requires veterans who have been exposed to a championship playing personality and a total team commitment to excellence, on and off the court.

The reason the San Antonio Spurs have multiple rings is not due to simply superior talent. They installed a championship playing personality over a decade ago.

We are starting from scratch and every single transaction will not pan out.

Where is our leadership coming from?

Absolutely well said Misterearl.

And to piggy back on what you said, Fisher was the absolute wrong coach for a team rebuilding, for a team that lack leadership. Then phil trades away all his veterans and leaves a bunch of d leaguer's on the roster. A bunch of guys that have little to no interest in the future of the franchise knowing damn well they will not be part of it.

Phils plan to conserve cap space is about as retarded as ones plan can get. The lakers had 22 million in cap space last season, and the best they did was take on Lin's poison pill contract.

Cap space means nothing when you have no core, no leader, a suspect coach and coming off a 12 win season.

We have no trading chips at all, so there won't be any sign trade possibilities, we have no veteran players to help with FA, and we have no championship coach to convince a FA that the path were on is championship destine.

Yes phil has set this franchise back about a good 8 yrs.

Splat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Talent Alone Does Not Win

nixluva wrote:Also can we at least recognize that this team has been cleaned out? Can we acknowledge that this team will be remade this summer in terms of adding some frontline players? This current roster is not designed to impress. It's the start of a process to assess prospects and see who might be worth keeping around next year. The draft and Free Agency is gong to be used to bring in starting level talent this summer. We can't know how successful that will be until after we see who is brought in and they play together. Still I see no reason to make claims this franchise won't "recover for a decade".

(Please pardon the duplicate post)

Nixluva - the simplicity of your reliance upon a draft pick and free agents is staggering.

In the sixties, When the Knicks locker room could have fractured over issues of race, Bill Bradley stepped up and reminded young players that divisive behavior would not be tolerated.

When Cazzie struggled with playing understudy to Bradley and created a distraction, Willis Reed consoled and guided him.

When Earl Monroe arrived from Baltimore, Clyde adjusted his game to make room for a prodigious talent playing the identical position. Two point guards? Piece of cake. Clyde understood, without the press telling him it would never work.

JR ran crazy in New York because there was no leader on the court or in the locker room to demand that he conform to the Knicks way of doing things. Lebron runs the Cavs. Jordan ran the Bulls. Larry Bird was known as the traffic cop in Boston. JRSmith has the skill set of Kobe Bryant, yet he rarely harnesses it in the manner Kobe sets laser focus on a goal. Talent is not enough.

Great teams are not led by coaches. They are led by great players.

Leadership happens away from the lights, the press and apart from the coaching staff. It is baffling how followers delude themselves into believing transformation from 10 wins to The Finals is as simple as a draft pick and some free agents.

Draft picks do not have a voice in the locker room and free agents will have to create an intimate and respected leadership on the fly.

If you are ever in an NBA locker room, note how often the coaching staff is absent. Leadership does NOT come an offensive scheme or X's and O's... Leadership comes from the respected voice(s) in the locker room. In an airport waiting area, at the hotel restaurant. During practice, away from the action.

Without veteran continuity, there is no leadership. Without leadership, you got nothing but empty individual statistics on a piece of paper. That is a stone cold fact.

Our beloved New York Knicks are a bunch of guys playing pickup ball. Changing the culture sounds good in theory and makes for positive spin. Installing a culture that is based on trust, responsibility and unselfish acts is more than a notion. It requires veterans who have been exposed to a championship playing personality and a total team commitment to excellence, on and off the court.

The reason the San Antonio Spurs have multiple rings is not due to simply superior talent. They installed a championship playing personality over a decade ago.

We are starting from scratch and every single transaction will not pan out.

Where is our leadership coming from?

Absolutely well said Misterearl.

And to piggy back on what you said, Fisher was the absolute wrong coach for a team rebuilding, for a team that lack leadership. Then phil trades away all his veterans and leaves a bunch of d leaguer's on the roster. A bunch of guys that have little to no interest in the future of the franchise knowing damn well they will not be part of it.

Phils plan to conserve cap space is about as retarded as ones plan can get. The lakers had 22 million in cap space last season, and the best they did was take on Lin's poison pill contract.

Cap space means nothing when you have no core, no leader, a suspect coach and coming off a 12 win season.

We have no trading chips at all, so there won't be any sign trade possibilities, we have no veteran players to help with FA, and we have no championship coach to convince a FA that the path were on is championship destine.

Yes phil has set this franchise back about a good 8 yrs.

Yes, good posts by both of you.

Phil Jackson is like a newb stock trader who panics and blows up all his capital trying to make up for bad trades by making one bad decision after another.

Anyone who still think he knows what he is doing is not really reflecting on the evidence. They are the subset of people who cling to the notion that you can't judge Phil until we see what he does with cap space and a draft pick. Oh yes we can.

He has failed. He cannot turn this around. He shot his wad on Melo and just like I predicted Melo is now the highest paid gimp in the NBA. It wouldn't be the NY Knickerbockers if we didn't have the league's most overpaid gimp.

Phil carried on in the grand Dolan tradition. He has done nothing profound to change the trajectory of this organization.

Further, his juice is almost gone. The only real gambling odds needed now are whether Phil walks first or Dolan is the one who shows him the door.

But Phil will not last five years. He's already lashing out on twitter like a fool. The guy is so out of his element its just a complete joke. There is no culture instituted here. We've got Carmelo Gimpthony and a draft pick. Melo is our culture.

Jax is punching the clock banking his quarter million a week. He's not a GM. I can't even say Jax hustled Dolan, because buying white noise is Dolan's M.O. and paying off Big Chief Zen Master was just more glitter to blind the suckers.

Phil is winging it. He thought he could do it, but I was right. He was full of hubris. Remember my post about that? The suckers mocked that too, but I was on the money. Phil was full of himself and now he has to eat his humble pie. At least he's rich like Melo. I mean who can begrudge a man his wealth?

Your a fart in the wind... we hear you, you stink, youll be gone soon.

GustavBahler wrote:I remember back in the late 80s when Mark Jackson was drafted, he gave this team a big boost, got them on the same page, and the makings of an identity. As good as he was back then, Ewing wasn't enough. A few smart free agent hires, not necessarily stars but quality role players, the right draft pick, and the Knicks could start to climb out of this car wreck.

I know most posters want Townes or Okafor but maybe drafting a PG (Mudiay?), will give this team a dynamic PG who can start getting this team on the same page. I have to watch more footage of Mudiay, and more of the other top picks, but I like the idea of finding someone who can really lead this team, whoever the right pick may be.

Phil is running the triangle who uses a PG to spot up and shoot, not one to orchestrate..

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I remember back in the late 80s when Mark Jackson was drafted, he gave this team a big boost, got them on the same page, and the makings of an identity. As good as he was back then, Ewing wasn't enough. A few smart free agent hires, not necessarily stars but quality role players, the right draft pick, and the Knicks could start to climb out of this car wreck.

I know most posters want Townes or Okafor but maybe drafting a PG (Mudiay?), will give this team a dynamic PG who can start getting this team on the same page. I have to watch more footage of Mudiay, and more of the other top picks, but I like the idea of finding someone who can really lead this team, whoever the right pick may be.

Phil is running the triangle who uses a PG to spot up and shoot, not one to orchestrate..

I get that, its been a long time since we've had anyone really leading from the PG position (a few weeks with Lin doesn't count). As Phil said, sometimes the triangle doesnt work and you need someone who can get buckets. Having a PG who can lead and get buckets as Melo grows older would be nice. Having our pick pan out whoever he is would be nice.

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I remember back in the late 80s when Mark Jackson was drafted, he gave this team a big boost, got them on the same page, and the makings of an identity. As good as he was back then, Ewing wasn't enough. A few smart free agent hires, not necessarily stars but quality role players, the right draft pick, and the Knicks could start to climb out of this car wreck.

I know most posters want Townes or Okafor but maybe drafting a PG (Mudiay?), will give this team a dynamic PG who can start getting this team on the same page. I have to watch more footage of Mudiay, and more of the other top picks, but I like the idea of finding someone who can really lead this team, whoever the right pick may be.

Phil is running the triangle who uses a PG to spot up and shoot, not one to orchestrate..

I get that, its been a long time since we've had anyone really leading from the PG position (a few weeks with Lin doesn't count). As Phil said, sometimes the triangle doesnt work and you need someone who can get buckets. Having a PG who can lead and get buckets as Melo grows older would be nice. Having our pick pan out whoever he is would be nice.

Man I'm all for running a conventional offense with tenants of the triangle built around the skills of your best players...We need a new coach tho..I'm just not too optimistic..Only thing was during the TV broadcast, Breen wondered if Fisher will run the triangle next year...Thought that was interesting...