NO.	NAME	           POS	AGE	HT	WT	2014-2015 SALARY
9	Pablo Prigioni	   PG	37	6-3	185	$1,662,961
3	Jose Calderon	   PG	33	6-3	200	$7,097,191
21	Lou Amundson	   PF	32	6-9	225	$409,167
7	Carmelo Anthony	   SF	30	6-8	240	$22,458,401
77	Andrea Bargnani	   C	29	7-0	245	$11,500,000
14	Jason Smith	   PF	28	7-0	245	$3,278,000
45	Cole Aldrich	   C	26	6-11	250	$915,243
42	Lance Thomas	   SF	26	6-8	225	$403,784
4	Quincy Acy	   SF	24	6-7	240	$915,243
6	Travis Wear	   SF	24	6-10	225	$507,336
17	Cleanthony Early   SF	23	6-8	220	$507,336
2	Langston Galloway  PG	23	6-2	200	$235,762
5	Tim Hardaway Jr.   SG	22	6-6	210	$1,250,640
0	Shane Larkin	   PG	22	5-11	175	$1,606,080

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:a few things...
1)why is there any assumption that we would get Plumlee? The Suns have said they need more size
2)Im not trading a pick for a guy I have to pay as well
3)they can take Calderon or any other mix of players on the current roster NO PICK

That basically means not adding anyone valuable through trades.
Do you want to keep both Melo and the player we draft. Objectively speaking, how likely is it that a rookie and a 13 year veteran will end up being in their primes at the same time?

Why does that matter? Why do both players have to be in their primes at the same time for a team to be good/great? I would rather a rookie grow up on potential playoff teams than to grow up on a team like the Magic or Minny.

Is the goal to win a championship? We have to compete against teams with several excellent players in their primes.

The goal is to create a sustainable winning environment where you compete for a championship every year. Winning the championship is the ultimate prize. Teams have won with young players and older stars. Spurs and Celtics are great examples. The Spurs have done it multiple times in different eras.

Fine replace win with compete for in my previous sentence.
The only examples you have are where the rookie is complimented by 3 or so future hall-of-famers? That doesn't seem applicable here. We're probably 3 shy of that.

Spurs had one hof.

What example are we talking about? Fish mentioned the Spurs regarding Kwahi, and I think Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker will all be in the HoF.

Duncan/Robinson. Spurs added Duncan and won 36 more games in his first year and lost in the WCF. They won a championship in Duncan's second year. Robinson was 33-34 then I believe.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:a few things...
1)why is there any assumption that we would get Plumlee? The Suns have said they need more size
2)Im not trading a pick for a guy I have to pay as well
3)they can take Calderon or any other mix of players on the current roster NO PICK

That basically means not adding anyone valuable through trades.
Do you want to keep both Melo and the player we draft. Objectively speaking, how likely is it that a rookie and a 13 year veteran will end up being in their primes at the same time?

Why does that matter? Why do both players have to be in their primes at the same time for a team to be good/great? I would rather a rookie grow up on potential playoff teams than to grow up on a team like the Magic or Minny.

Is the goal to win a championship? We have to compete against teams with several excellent players in their primes.

The goal is to create a sustainable winning environment where you compete for a championship every year. Winning the championship is the ultimate prize. Teams have won with young players and older stars. Spurs and Celtics are great examples. The Spurs have done it multiple times in different eras.

Fine replace win with compete for in my previous sentence.
The only examples you have are where the rookie is complimented by 3 or so future hall-of-famers? That doesn't seem applicable here. We're probably 3 shy of that.

Spurs had one hof.

What example are we talking about? Fish mentioned the Spurs regarding Kwahi, and I think Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker will all be in the HoF.

Duncan/Robinson. Spurs added Duncan and won 36 more games in his first year and lost in the WCF. They won a championship in Duncan's second year. Robinson was 33-34 then I believe.

Well, they added both Robinson and Duncan since Robinson was out the prior year. They added two HoF players. They probably would have been a pretty good team if Robinson had played that year.

Wade did it with Shaq in his third year.

joec32033 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:a few things...
1)why is there any assumption that we would get Plumlee? The Suns have said they need more size
2)Im not trading a pick for a guy I have to pay as well
3)they can take Calderon or any other mix of players on the current roster NO PICK

That basically means not adding anyone valuable through trades.
Do you want to keep both Melo and the player we draft. Objectively speaking, how likely is it that a rookie and a 13 year veteran will end up being in their primes at the same time?

Why does that matter? Why do both players have to be in their primes at the same time for a team to be good/great? I would rather a rookie grow up on potential playoff teams than to grow up on a team like the Magic or Minny.

Is the goal to win a championship? We have to compete against teams with several excellent players in their primes.

The goal is to create a sustainable winning environment where you compete for a championship every year. Winning the championship is the ultimate prize. Teams have won with young players and older stars. Spurs and Celtics are great examples. The Spurs have done it multiple times in different eras.

Fine replace win with compete for in my previous sentence.
The only examples you have are where the rookie is complimented by 3 or so future hall-of-famers? That doesn't seem applicable here. We're probably 3 shy of that.

Spurs had one hof.

What example are we talking about? Fish mentioned the Spurs regarding Kwahi, and I think Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker will all be in the HoF.

Duncan/Robinson. Spurs added Duncan and won 36 more games in his first year and lost in the WCF. They won a championship in Duncan's second year. Robinson was 33-34 then I believe.

Well, they added both Robinson and Duncan since Robinson was out the prior year. They added two HoF players. They probably would have been a pretty good team if Robinson had played that year.

Wade did it with Shaq in his third year.

And the parallel would be our lotto pick in his third year and Melo in his fifteenth? Good luck with that

Actually I think a good mix would be our draft pick, 22/23 year old Jimmy Butler, 28 year old Dragic, and 30 yr old Melo. You still got young guys like Galloway and Early too. They key is to get young productive players and not players who need to develop.

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:a few things...
1)why is there any assumption that we would get Plumlee? The Suns have said they need more size
2)Im not trading a pick for a guy I have to pay as well
3)they can take Calderon or any other mix of players on the current roster NO PICK

That basically means not adding anyone valuable through trades.
Do you want to keep both Melo and the player we draft. Objectively speaking, how likely is it that a rookie and a 13 year veteran will end up being in their primes at the same time?

Why does that matter? Why do both players have to be in their primes at the same time for a team to be good/great? I would rather a rookie grow up on potential playoff teams than to grow up on a team like the Magic or Minny.

Is the goal to win a championship? We have to compete against teams with several excellent players in their primes.

The goal is to create a sustainable winning environment where you compete for a championship every year. Winning the championship is the ultimate prize. Teams have won with young players and older stars. Spurs and Celtics are great examples. The Spurs have done it multiple times in different eras.

Fine replace win with compete for in my previous sentence.
The only examples you have are where the rookie is complimented by 3 or so future hall-of-famers? That doesn't seem applicable here. We're probably 3 shy of that.

Spurs had one hof.

What example are we talking about? Fish mentioned the Spurs regarding Kwahi, and I think Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker will all be in the HoF.

Duncan/Robinson. Spurs added Duncan and won 36 more games in his first year and lost in the WCF. They won a championship in Duncan's second year. Robinson was 33-34 then I believe.

Well, they added both Robinson and Duncan since Robinson was out the prior year. They added two HoF players. They probably would have been a pretty good team if Robinson had played that year.

Wade did it with Shaq in his third year.

And the parallel would be our lotto pick in his third year and Melo in his fifteenth? Good luck with that

Actually I think a good mix would be our draft pick, 22/23 year old Jimmy Butler, 28 year old Dragic, and 30 yr old Melo. You still got young guys like Galloway and Early too. They key is to get young productive players and not players who need to develop.

Yeah that would be a good mix but I doubt we can get Butler or Dragic

The key to getting Butler is trading for Dragic now So we keep his bird rights. I dont think we can sign both.

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Miami in the mix. What do they have to offer? That's a good spot if Dragic wants to win

I heard Deng and Cole.

I'm sure they would give up anyone besides Bosh and Wade. So Chalmers,Cole,Granger,Deng,McRoberts,Napier,Birdman or whoever else. What's the deal with Whiteside??

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:We have a shot at quite a few Free Agents who could help this team win in addition to our Draft Pick and Melo. Whether it's Dragic or some other FA there should be a chance to make a marked improvement on the roster and win now and for the future. I see nothing wrong with the approach.

Just one other thing. People keep talking about our draft picks but we didn't have a pick going into the last draft and Phil got some prospects. Phil could also do something similar this summer in addition to our 1st rd. pick. For 2016 it's entirely possible he could do the same thing. After 2016 the Knicks have their 1st rd picks in 2017 and 2018 and then starting in 2019 and beyond we have 1st and 2nd rd picks.

So basically we need to add 1st and 2nd rd. picks for 2016 and only 2nd rd picks in 2017 and 2018. We're 5 pics short over the next 3 years. One 1st and four 2nd rd picks. Not the end of the world.

Not the end of the world until it's draft time and Knicks fans are sitting around twiddling our thumbs without any draft picks again.

gunsnewing wrote:Butler is my dream outside of Anthony Davis

He has dropped off a lot in the month of January (he was amazing the first two months of the season)- do you still give him the max? I also wonder if it changes the Bulls willingness to do so.

Personally, I think he was playing over his head to start the season. I think at his natural level he's probably a 16-17 points per game guy and mediocre 3pt shooter. His defense has taken a step back this year, and he's said it's because scoring so much has left him with less energy defensively, so scoring less would be a good thing.