TripleThreat wrote:

holfresh wrote:Oh stop it...Pecentage of what a guy makes has nothing to do with winning..There are plenty of teams that won with guys who made over 40% of the cap on their roster...Kobe in 2009,2010, Duncan, Garnett in Biston, MJ in Chicgo, Dirk in Dallas and I can name more and more..It depends on the skilled front office roster building ability..Surrounding Melo with the right talent..If anything, it shows you need at least one high priced player to win...

You are talking about different players operating WITH VASTLY DIFFERENT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS. Many of the players you cite operated SEVERAL CBA'S AGO. We aren't talking the last labor deal, but some guys you cite like Jordan were multiple labor wars ago.

You lose "credibility" when you cite financial and market conditions in the NBA in a vastly different era and landscape.

Do you go to the grocery store now and argue what a loaf of bread used to cost 10 years ago?

Many of the mechanisms for big spending teams to build a team even into the tax zone have changed dramatically or altogether disappeared.

I'm not saying anything here about roster construction that you can't see evident year after year in the current NBA.

You need someone who can defend the rim and you need athletic wings. Those have an established market baseline cost. Add that to Melo and Calderon cap hits and it just doesn't add up. Add in rookies and their development timetable in a practical sense doesn't line up with Melo's current contract.

Thoughtful. Detailed. Never boring.

Two thumbs up

StarksEwing1 wrote:

misterearl wrote:TrileThreat Is the man

Thoughtful. Detailed. Never boring.

Two thumbs up

he does make good posts

They are particularly good toasted with apricot jam

StarksEwing1 wrote:I like that phil hasnt done anything rash. He knows we have a lottery pick and cap space. I do feel he will do well this summer

You mean like trading Tyson for pennies on the dollar and adding salary in the process?

nixluva wrote:

VCoug wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I like that phil hasnt done anything rash. He knows we have a lottery pick and cap space. I do feel he will do well this summer

You mean like trading Tyson for pennies on the dollar and adding salary in the process?

I think it was a decent trade. Not spectacular but we ended up with good value going forward.

Jose
Larkin
Early
Thanasis

You pinned your last hopes for this season on Jose. Didn't work.

He is a garbage contract eating up valuable cap space. What a low quality player for the price we are paying him.

Splat wrote:You're backpedaling in your time machine again. You were making it out like Jose was the grease that would make the machine purr, the catalyst, the dynamic distributor who would make everyone around him better.

You pinned your last hopes for this season on Jose. Didn't work.

He is a garbage contract eating up valuable cap space. What a low quality player for the price we are paying him.

It's all moot now and I really don't care what anyone thinks about the prediction. It simply doesn't matter anymore. The calculus has changed at this point. It's not about this season anymore. It's about the future.

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:You're backpedaling in your time machine again. You were making it out like Jose was the grease that would make the machine purr, the catalyst, the dynamic distributor who would make everyone around him better.

You pinned your last hopes for this season on Jose. Didn't work.

He is a garbage contract eating up valuable cap space. What a low quality player for the price we are paying him.

1st of all I didn't expect Jose to miss the start of the year and then to actually have to play himself back into form. That was detrimental to team chemistry. Then you have the struggles of our SG's with Shump and JR going down with injury. They haven't even really played together that much. They never played with Bargs so really my prediction has never really been tested yet. The team I expected to see hasn't really even played together. You don't have to have any faith in it but you can't say it's a failure when the lineups I was expecting to see haven't even played together. I know you and others won't accept that but that's how I feel about it.

It's all moot now and I really don't care what anyone thinks about the prediction. It simply doesn't matter anymore. The calculus has changed at this point. It's not about this season anymore. It's about the future.

Splat wrote:You're backpedaling in your time machine again. You were making it out like Jose was the grease that would make the machine purr, the catalyst, the dynamic distributor who would make everyone around him better.

You pinned your last hopes for this season on Jose. Didn't work.

He is a garbage contract eating up valuable cap space. What a low quality player for the price we are paying him.

I'm Rockin Witcha Your Post All Night

And We Gone Ride The Booo-Gaaaaayyyyyy

Nixluva at his Finest moment way back when

Jose is exactly who we thought he were

And we are what our record says we are

I've sprinkled some cinnamon on my porridge

Not sure how Nix wants to dress his up but eat he must, eat it he will

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:You're backpedaling in your time machine again. You were making it out like Jose was the grease that would make the machine purr, the catalyst, the dynamic distributor who would make everyone around him better.

You pinned your last hopes for this season on Jose. Didn't work.

He is a garbage contract eating up valuable cap space. What a low quality player for the price we are paying him.

1st of all I didn't expect Jose to miss the start of the year and then to actually have to play himself back into form. That was detrimental to team chemistry. Then you have the struggles of our SG's with Shump and JR going down with injury. They haven't even really played together that much. They never played with Bargs so really my prediction has never really been tested yet. The team I expected to see hasn't really even played together. You don't have to have any faith in it but you can't say it's a failure when the lineups I was expecting to see haven't even played together. I know you and others won't accept that but that's how I feel about it.

It's all moot now and I really don't care what anyone thinks about the prediction. It simply doesn't matter anymore. The calculus has changed at this point. It's not about this season anymore. It's about the future.

Nix, you have to be kidding!

take some freakin blame ... "I did not expect this, I did not expect that, blah blah blah, so I AM NO WRONG ... YAY"

C'mon! be a man

NOPE! I was wrong in my prediction, but I also didn't go in expecting Jose and Bargs to never have even played a game together. It just wasn't how I saw things going. If you told me that Jose and Bargs weren't going to even start the 1st 13 games and 31 games into the season they wouldn't have even played together once, I would not have made the same prediction for the season. I certainly wouldn't say it's proof with all the other injuries on the roster either. It's been a complete disaster and I still don't know how things would've gone if they had a healthy start to the year as expected. We don't know if perhaps the team might have gotten off to a better start and developed some confidence and chemistry. I know that won't sit well with some, but that's how I feel.

What does it even matter when this season wasn't about anything but setting a tone for the future anyway. It's not like we were looking for this team to be the core of the future contender. Being wrong about this season isn't the end of the world.

Bargs has missed time...major time in the last 4 years, and missed alot of time with us....even missed his own international comp. With that said you EXPECTED him to miraculously be healthy.

GTFO bro.

And Calderon is old, but you didnt expect him to miss any time either?

We all knew this team was terrible....you kept stating how great they could be. You're wrong every single year. man. When do you quit?

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:You're backpedaling in your time machine again. You were making it out like Jose was the grease that would make the machine purr, the catalyst, the dynamic distributor who would make everyone around him better.

You pinned your last hopes for this season on Jose. Didn't work.

He is a garbage contract eating up valuable cap space. What a low quality player for the price we are paying him.

1st of all I didn't expect Jose to miss the start of the year and then to actually have to play himself back into form. That was detrimental to team chemistry. Then you have the struggles of our SG's with Shump and JR going down with injury. They haven't even really played together that much. They never played with Bargs so really my prediction has never really been tested yet. The team I expected to see hasn't really even played together. You don't have to have any faith in it but you can't say it's a failure when the lineups I was expecting to see haven't even played together. I know you and others won't accept that but that's how I feel about it.

It's all moot now and I really don't care what anyone thinks about the prediction. It simply doesn't matter anymore. The calculus has changed at this point. It's not about this season anymore. It's about the future.

Nix, you have to be kidding!

take some freakin blame ... "I did not expect this, I did not expect that, blah blah blah, so I AM NO WRONG ... YAY"

C'mon! be a man

NOPE! I was wrong in my prediction, but I also didn't go in expecting Jose and Bargs to never have even played a game together. It just wasn't how I saw things going. If you told me that Jose and Bargs weren't going to even start the 1st 13 games and 31 games into the season they wouldn't have even played together once, I would not have made the same prediction for the season. I certainly wouldn't say it's proof with all the other injuries on the roster either. It's been a complete disaster and I still don't know how things would've gone if they had a healthy start to the year as expected. We don't know if perhaps the team might have gotten off to a better start and developed some confidence and chemistry. I know that won't sit well with some, but that's how I feel.

What does it even matter when this season wasn't about anything but setting a tone for the future anyway. It's not like we were looking for this team to be the core of the future contender. Being wrong about this season isn't the end of the world.

So let me get this straight....

Bargs has missed time...major time in the last 4 years, and missed alot of time with us....even missed his own international comp. With that said you EXPECTED him to miraculously be healthy.

GTFO bro.

And Calderon is old, but you didnt expect him to miss any time either?

We all knew this team was terrible....you kept stating how great they could be. You're wrong every single year. man. When do you quit?