gunsnewing wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

Please notice that I was not addressing a holistic overview of Lin's resigning process. I was merely pointing out the ignorance of so many who live in denial to the fact Melo did something I HAVE NEVER SEEN A NBA PLAYER DO TO ANOTHER NBA PLAYER. It was unprecendented to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong). And it clearly showed Melo had no problems PUBLICLY sabotaging Lin's negotiations. He did it. It is not really disputable at all. That players may sabotage one another is very much a strong possibility in countless situations, but the public nature of this sabotage I had never seen before.

I think if you saw the interview you would know that he was responding to dialogue. Not a lot of deep thought there. I think if you think he planned to publicly sabotage Lin's negotiations you are giving Melo more credit then you ever have in the past.

Being Melo is a sub-par intellect, we know "he just says stuff", but if that is your excuse then you are in denial that he consciously sabotaged another player's negotiations publicly, something I've never seen before. Melo may be tone deaf and famously stupid for not understanding how his comments land on the publics' ears, but to say a player is not conscious they are committing sabotage when the call a contract number ridiculous DURING NEGOTIATIONS is absurd. Give me a break.

Melo was empowered to say that because already knew Lin was off the Knicks. He knew because he was the one who demanded it. Melo still runs the Knicks to this day as evident by Phil caving in to Melo's latest contract demands

Perhaps so. Yet I still frame such suppositions in the larger context, thus making any assertions about Melo's motivations grounded in documented events. This is such an event, yet apologists fall over themselves to this day to deny what Melo has done. I'm used to it. I used to be appalled at the way Knicks fans are total lemmings. Now I just take it as a base assumption many of them will defend Melo as their default position, despite overwhelming evidence that their star is a duplicitous prima donna who will always put himself first before the best interests of the team.

Should be interesting to see if we draft one of those stud bigs and tney show promise and steal the hearts of MSG Knick fans if Melo Enterprises will embrace it. I doubt they will

dk7th wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:Even after getting Melo the one chance we had was to resign Lin who they could've further developed as the PG this team needed. That would've been the smart economical way to do it. They should never have let Lin hit the open market. Sign to a cap friendly deal. Then they just needed to draft well and make smart FA pick ups.

This isn't to say Lin was an elite player but if they kept him he was capable of getting in the paint which we needed. He had the right style for how the team was set up.

The weirdest phenomenon has been Knicks fans who trash Lin when he was our best option for developing a combo guard who can both distribute, shoot and penetrate. Judging his consistency based on playing next to Harden and Kobe doesn't make much sense. No, he's not an all-star, but he was the ONLY player who ever showed the winner's gene on this club in the longest time and we let him go. If he was here, by now he could have developed chemistry with Melo (unless Melo is just pure trash and can't play with anyone) and we'd have a 2nd scoring option and some creative juice on the team. Lin is still a player to watch. People who write him off are out to lunch. He is very much needing the right situation to thrive again and it can happen.

That MDA based system we had even when we had Kidd would've worked even BETTER with Lin instead of Felton. It was clear that we needed a PG who could penetrate plus pass and score from 3. Management listened to Woody who didn't like Lin. That's why they didn't lock Lin up and sent him out on the market which made no sense if you believed in him as they said.

It's over now but Phil is gonna have to find an affordable PG that has the needed skills. Gotta be able to hit a 3 but also run a PnR and penetrate effectively. We don't have that right now as neither Jose, Prigs nor Larkin have penetration and ability to finish at the rim. Only THJ gets to the rim with regular success.

Very good points Nix. Just one thing I don't think Woodson did not like Lin. How could you dislike him as a coach when you witnessed what he is capable of. I think it's Melo who did not want to share the limelight with Lin. Melo & CAA suck their pitbulls on Lin using Stephen A Smith and espn radio as an avenue to discredit Lin. You know, its up to Lin to adapt to Melo. How dare fans suggest that MElo needs to adapt to the success of the team with Lin---SAS. "Players(melo)" were questioning Lin's heart not playing through injury--SAS Even though Lin was not ready to play according to the doctors original timeline.

He would've played had the knicks got out of the 1st round but they were owned by Miami.

It's funny how SAS went from praising Lin to bashing him literally over night once fans started saying Melo needed to adjust to the way the team was successfully playing.

Woodson had no choice but to stick by Melo even if it meant alienating Lin. He wanted to keep his head coaching job

It's no longer a where's there's smoke there's fire thing with Melo. He has to go overtime to prove now he is able to play with other people who take his shine. It has gotten to the point now where this whole scenario of attracting a quality FA is basically sabotaged by having a vain, non-cooperative player as your centerpiece.

It's clear to me that when people squawk about comments of Melo not wanting Lin that they cannot explain away the fact Melo actually bashed Lin during negotiations.

I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANOTHER NBA PLAYER CALLING A PLAYER'S CONTRACT DEMANDS RIDICULOUS DURING NEGOTIATIONS.

NEVER FUKKING EVER

Wow, and people have the balls to say Melo didn't sabotage Lin? They're stupid if they believe that. He did it. It's on the record.

Did you watch the summer league game where they showed part of the interview and Hahn explained the context? Also, in terms of the contract, it took a first round pick being included to move that deal.

Please notice that I was not addressing a holistic overview of Lin's resigning process. I was merely pointing out the ignorance of so many who live in denial to the fact Melo did something I HAVE NEVER SEEN A NBA PLAYER DO TO ANOTHER NBA PLAYER. It was unprecendented to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong). And it clearly showed Melo had no problems PUBLICLY sabotaging Lin's negotiations. He did it. It is not really disputable at all. That players may sabotage one another is very much a strong possibility in countless situations, but the public nature of this sabotage I had never seen before.

short of being deposed by a lawyer you will never get a straight answer out of crushalot but lets try:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8168386/carmelo-anthony-says-ridiculous-jeremy-lin-deal-new-york-knicks

this is an article that is quoting both carmelo anthony and jr smith.

did melo say lin's contract was ridiculous, crushalot? did jr smith say that lin's contract would make for a difficult locker room, crushalot?

Crush often very trivial and petty and rarely if ever

Focuses on the meats and potatoes of a discussion

Splat wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

Please notice that I was not addressing a holistic overview of Lin's resigning process. I was merely pointing out the ignorance of so many who live in denial to the fact Melo did something I HAVE NEVER SEEN A NBA PLAYER DO TO ANOTHER NBA PLAYER. It was unprecendented to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong). And it clearly showed Melo had no problems PUBLICLY sabotaging Lin's negotiations. He did it. It is not really disputable at all. That players may sabotage one another is very much a strong possibility in countless situations, but the public nature of this sabotage I had never seen before.

I think if you saw the interview you would know that he was responding to dialogue. Not a lot of deep thought there. I think if you think he planned to publicly sabotage Lin's negotiations you are giving Melo more credit then you ever have in the past.

Being Melo is a sub-par intellect, we know "he just says stuff", but if that is your excuse then you are in denial that he consciously sabotaged another player's negotiations publicly, something I've never seen before. Melo may be tone deaf and famously stupid for not understanding how his comments land on the publics' ears, but to say a player is not conscious they are committing sabotage when the call a contract number ridiculous DURING NEGOTIATIONS is absurd. Give me a break.

Melo was empowered to say that because already knew Lin was off the Knicks. He knew because he was the one who demanded it. Melo still runs the Knicks to this day as evident by Phil caving in to Melo's latest contract demands

Perhaps so. Yet I still frame such suppositions in the larger context, thus making any assertions about Melo's motivations grounded in documented events. This is such an event, yet apologists fall over themselves to this day to deny what Melo has done. I'm used to it. I used to be appalled at the way Knicks fans are total lemmings. Now I just take it as a base assumption many of them will defend Melo as their default position, despite overwhelming evidence that their star is a duplicitous prima donna who will always put himself first before the best interests of the team.

I can't think of any weaker position to take

Than to defend a buffoon who's provided no sustainable boon for this franchise

Almost every vat of resources has been surrendered

To welcome his arrival and retain his toxic presence

Splat wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

Please notice that I was not addressing a holistic overview of Lin's resigning process. I was merely pointing out the ignorance of so many who live in denial to the fact Melo did something I HAVE NEVER SEEN A NBA PLAYER DO TO ANOTHER NBA PLAYER. It was unprecendented to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong). And it clearly showed Melo had no problems PUBLICLY sabotaging Lin's negotiations. He did it. It is not really disputable at all. That players may sabotage one another is very much a strong possibility in countless situations, but the public nature of this sabotage I had never seen before.

I think if you saw the interview you would know that he was responding to dialogue. Not a lot of deep thought there. I think if you think he planned to publicly sabotage Lin's negotiations you are giving Melo more credit then you ever have in the past.

Being Melo is a sub-par intellect, we know "he just says stuff", but if that is your excuse then you are in denial that he consciously sabotaged another player's negotiations publicly, something I've never seen before. Melo may be tone deaf and famously stupid for not understanding how his comments land on the publics' ears, but to say a player is not conscious they are committing sabotage when the call a contract number ridiculous DURING NEGOTIATIONS is absurd. Give me a break.

Melo was empowered to say that because already knew Lin was off the Knicks. He knew because he was the one who demanded it. Melo still runs the Knicks to this day as evident by Phil caving in to Melo's latest contract demands

Perhaps so. Yet I still frame such suppositions in the larger context, thus making any assertions about Melo's motivations grounded in documented events. This is such an event, yet apologists fall over themselves to this day to deny what Melo has done. I'm used to it. I used to be appalled at the way Knicks fans are total lemmings. Now I just take it as a base assumption many of them will defend Melo as their default position, despite overwhelming evidence that their star is a duplicitous prima donna who will always put himself first before the best interests of the team.

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

Please notice that I was not addressing a holistic overview of Lin's resigning process. I was merely pointing out the ignorance of so many who live in denial to the fact Melo did something I HAVE NEVER SEEN A NBA PLAYER DO TO ANOTHER NBA PLAYER. It was unprecendented to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong). And it clearly showed Melo had no problems PUBLICLY sabotaging Lin's negotiations. He did it. It is not really disputable at all. That players may sabotage one another is very much a strong possibility in countless situations, but the public nature of this sabotage I had never seen before.

I think if you saw the interview you would know that he was responding to dialogue. Not a lot of deep thought there. I think if you think he planned to publicly sabotage Lin's negotiations you are giving Melo more credit then you ever have in the past.

Being Melo is a sub-par intellect, we know "he just says stuff", but if that is your excuse then you are in denial that he consciously sabotaged another player's negotiations publicly, something I've never seen before. Melo may be tone deaf and famously stupid for not understanding how his comments land on the publics' ears, but to say a player is not conscious they are committing sabotage when the call a contract number ridiculous DURING NEGOTIATIONS is absurd. Give me a break.

Melo was empowered to say that because already knew Lin was off the Knicks. He knew because he was the one who demanded it. Melo still runs the Knicks to this day as evident by Phil caving in to Melo's latest contract demands

Perhaps so. Yet I still frame such suppositions in the larger context, thus making any assertions about Melo's motivations grounded in documented events. This is such an event, yet apologists fall over themselves to this day to deny what Melo has done. I'm used to it. I used to be appalled at the way Knicks fans are total lemmings. Now I just take it as a base assumption many of them will defend Melo as their default position, despite overwhelming evidence that their star is a duplicitous prima donna who will always put himself first before the best interests of the team.

Just pointing out that the Knicks didn't give up two first round picks as you said and that the pick you were claiming they gave up went to Toronto for Bargs.

Let it go. You played the role of apologist for Melo by saying "Not a lot of deep thought there." Seriously, it is really a BS thing to keep injecting yourself into this narrative with the lame injection that, uh, Melo just said stuff. Again, give me a break. He sabotaged Lin. Period.

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

Please notice that I was not addressing a holistic overview of Lin's resigning process. I was merely pointing out the ignorance of so many who live in denial to the fact Melo did something I HAVE NEVER SEEN A NBA PLAYER DO TO ANOTHER NBA PLAYER. It was unprecendented to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong). And it clearly showed Melo had no problems PUBLICLY sabotaging Lin's negotiations. He did it. It is not really disputable at all. That players may sabotage one another is very much a strong possibility in countless situations, but the public nature of this sabotage I had never seen before.

I think if you saw the interview you would know that he was responding to dialogue. Not a lot of deep thought there. I think if you think he planned to publicly sabotage Lin's negotiations you are giving Melo more credit then you ever have in the past.

Being Melo is a sub-par intellect, we know "he just says stuff", but if that is your excuse then you are in denial that he consciously sabotaged another player's negotiations publicly, something I've never seen before. Melo may be tone deaf and famously stupid for not understanding how his comments land on the publics' ears, but to say a player is not conscious they are committing sabotage when the call a contract number ridiculous DURING NEGOTIATIONS is absurd. Give me a break.

Melo was empowered to say that because already knew Lin was off the Knicks. He knew because he was the one who demanded it. Melo still runs the Knicks to this day as evident by Phil caving in to Melo's latest contract demands

Perhaps so. Yet I still frame such suppositions in the larger context, thus making any assertions about Melo's motivations grounded in documented events. This is such an event, yet apologists fall over themselves to this day to deny what Melo has done. I'm used to it. I used to be appalled at the way Knicks fans are total lemmings. Now I just take it as a base assumption many of them will defend Melo as their default position, despite overwhelming evidence that their star is a duplicitous prima donna who will always put himself first before the best interests of the team.

Just pointing out that the Knicks didn't give up two first round picks as you said and that the pick you were claiming they gave up went to Toronto for Bargs.

Let it go. You played the role of apologist for Melo by saying "Not a lot of deep thought there." Seriously, it is really a BS thing to keep injecting yourself into this narrative with the lame injection that, uh, Melo just said stuff. Again, give me a break. He sabotaged Lin. Period.

Sure. Explain where the 2016 first round pick that was traded for Bargs came from and I will drop it.

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

Please notice that I was not addressing a holistic overview of Lin's resigning process. I was merely pointing out the ignorance of so many who live in denial to the fact Melo did something I HAVE NEVER SEEN A NBA PLAYER DO TO ANOTHER NBA PLAYER. It was unprecendented to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong). And it clearly showed Melo had no problems PUBLICLY sabotaging Lin's negotiations. He did it. It is not really disputable at all. That players may sabotage one another is very much a strong possibility in countless situations, but the public nature of this sabotage I had never seen before.

I think if you saw the interview you would know that he was responding to dialogue. Not a lot of deep thought there. I think if you think he planned to publicly sabotage Lin's negotiations you are giving Melo more credit then you ever have in the past.

Being Melo is a sub-par intellect, we know "he just says stuff", but if that is your excuse then you are in denial that he consciously sabotaged another player's negotiations publicly, something I've never seen before. Melo may be tone deaf and famously stupid for not understanding how his comments land on the publics' ears, but to say a player is not conscious they are committing sabotage when the call a contract number ridiculous DURING NEGOTIATIONS is absurd. Give me a break.

Melo was empowered to say that because already knew Lin was off the Knicks. He knew because he was the one who demanded it. Melo still runs the Knicks to this day as evident by Phil caving in to Melo's latest contract demands

Perhaps so. Yet I still frame such suppositions in the larger context, thus making any assertions about Melo's motivations grounded in documented events. This is such an event, yet apologists fall over themselves to this day to deny what Melo has done. I'm used to it. I used to be appalled at the way Knicks fans are total lemmings. Now I just take it as a base assumption many of them will defend Melo as their default position, despite overwhelming evidence that their star is a duplicitous prima donna who will always put himself first before the best interests of the team.

Just pointing out that the Knicks didn't give up two first round picks as you said and that the pick you were claiming they gave up went to Toronto for Bargs.

Let it go. You played the role of apologist for Melo by saying "Not a lot of deep thought there." Seriously, it is really a BS thing to keep injecting yourself into this narrative with the lame injection that, uh, Melo just said stuff. Again, give me a break. He sabotaged Lin. Period.

Sure. Explain where the 2016 first round pick that was traded for Bargs came from and I will drop it.

Seriously this is the first time I've felt the urge to say to you STFU. You keep responding to me with unrelated BS. You can't deal with the topic at hand which was what Melo said during contract negotiations. STOP REPLYING TO ME with unrelated content when you can't even focus on what people are talking about. I can't take anything you say seriously if you keep operating like this.

LAS VEGAS -- New York Knicks coach Mike Woodson said on Wednesday the team will "absolutely" match the Houston Rockets' four-year, $28.8 million offer sheet for Jeremy Lin.

Woodson said he didn't blink at all when the Rockets made their official pitch last week.

"Never once," he told a small group of reporters in Las Vegas where the Knicks are participating in summer league. "Jeremy Lin has always been a big part of what we're trying to do as we move forward with our franchise."

This wasn't the first time Woodson used the word "absolutely" when asked whether Lin would return to New York. He mentioned it at season's end after their first-round playoff exit to the Miami Heat, saying the "future's very bright for him."

In 35 games during the regular season, Lin averaged 14.6 points and 6.2 assists per game. When Lin was leading the team to a 6-1 stretch in mid-March right after Woodson took over for Mike D'Antoni, five players (including Lin) were scoring in double figures, and the Knicks were averaging 100.9 points per game and holding opponents to only 86.9.

A report surfaced Wednesday from the New York Daily News that Lin was upset the Knicks didn't offer him a new contract before the Rockets came calling. But Lin went on to tweet, "Lol why do u guys believe everything? No quotes from me = probably not true."

A source close to Lin who spoke with ESPNNewYork.com was somewhat surprised the Knicks didn't offer a contract right away, but knew Lin wouldn't be leaving New York. The source believed the Knicks would match any offer because of his value to the organization on and off the court in business growth.

Woodson said the Knicks probably will sign Jason Kidd to their mid-level exception of $3.09 million on Thursday. Woodson said Kidd will be "a perfect fit" for Lin.

"Jason's a veteran guy that brings leadership," he said. "He'll be able to tutor (Lin) as he grows as a point guard for our franchise. And Jason can still play and run a ballclub, so that's important I think as we move forward and get ready for (training) camp and start the upcoming season."
On Wednesday, the Knicks finalized a one-year contract with Argentinian point guard Pablo Prigioni for the rookie's minimum, according to a source.

Prigioni's agent, George Bass, said his client had been on Knicks GM Glen Grunwald's radar for about five years. Grunwald and the team's front office met with Prigioni a few weeks ago in New York, where he'll be playing in the NBA for the first time as a 35-year-old. Bass said Prigioni is a pass-first point guard like Kidd and will do a great job mentoring Lin.

In addition to Prigioni's proven success playing for club teams in Argentina and Europe, where he was a top passer and defender, Bass said the Knicks felt like he was young enough with no major injuries to help the team. Prigioni will serve as a backup to Lin -- once the Knicks match the Rockets' offer sheet for four years, $28.8 million -- and Kidd, who's yet to sign. Kidd's deal will likely be at the mid-level exception for $3.09 million.

Woodson said he may use Lin and Kidd together at times in the backcourt, so Prigioni could get some solid minutes with the second unit.

Prigioni is training with the Argentinian national team in Venezuela to prepare for the Olympics in London. He was the starting point guard on the bronze-medal team in Beijing in 2008, playing with Manu Ginobili, Luis Scola and Andres Nocioni.

newyorknewyork wrote:http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8158354/new-york-knicks-absolutely-match-offer-jeremy-lin-mike-woodson-says

LAS VEGAS -- New York Knicks coach Mike Woodson said on Wednesday the team will "absolutely" match the Houston Rockets' four-year, $28.8 million offer sheet for Jeremy Lin.

Woodson said he didn't blink at all when the Rockets made their official pitch last week.

"Never once," he told a small group of reporters in Las Vegas where the Knicks are participating in summer league. "Jeremy Lin has always been a big part of what we're trying to do as we move forward with our franchise."

This wasn't the first time Woodson used the word "absolutely" when asked whether Lin would return to New York. He mentioned it at season's end after their first-round playoff exit to the Miami Heat, saying the "future's very bright for him."

In 35 games during the regular season, Lin averaged 14.6 points and 6.2 assists per game. When Lin was leading the team to a 6-1 stretch in mid-March right after Woodson took over for Mike D'Antoni, five players (including Lin) were scoring in double figures, and the Knicks were averaging 100.9 points per game and holding opponents to only 86.9.

A report surfaced Wednesday from the New York Daily News that Lin was upset the Knicks didn't offer him a new contract before the Rockets came calling. But Lin went on to tweet, "Lol why do u guys believe everything? No quotes from me = probably not true."

A source close to Lin who spoke with ESPNNewYork.com was somewhat surprised the Knicks didn't offer a contract right away, but knew Lin wouldn't be leaving New York. The source believed the Knicks would match any offer because of his value to the organization on and off the court in business growth.

Woodson said the Knicks probably will sign Jason Kidd to their mid-level exception of $3.09 million on Thursday. Woodson said Kidd will be "a perfect fit" for Lin.

"Jason's a veteran guy that brings leadership," he said. "He'll be able to tutor (Lin) as he grows as a point guard for our franchise. And Jason can still play and run a ballclub, so that's important I think as we move forward and get ready for (training) camp and start the upcoming season."
On Wednesday, the Knicks finalized a one-year contract with Argentinian point guard Pablo Prigioni for the rookie's minimum, according to a source.

Prigioni's agent, George Bass, said his client had been on Knicks GM Glen Grunwald's radar for about five years. Grunwald and the team's front office met with Prigioni a few weeks ago in New York, where he'll be playing in the NBA for the first time as a 35-year-old. Bass said Prigioni is a pass-first point guard like Kidd and will do a great job mentoring Lin.

In addition to Prigioni's proven success playing for club teams in Argentina and Europe, where he was a top passer and defender, Bass said the Knicks felt like he was young enough with no major injuries to help the team. Prigioni will serve as a backup to Lin -- once the Knicks match the Rockets' offer sheet for four years, $28.8 million -- and Kidd, who's yet to sign. Kidd's deal will likely be at the mid-level exception for $3.09 million.

Woodson said he may use Lin and Kidd together at times in the backcourt, so Prigioni could get some solid minutes with the second unit.

Prigioni is training with the Argentinian national team in Venezuela to prepare for the Olympics in London. He was the starting point guard on the bronze-medal team in Beijing in 2008, playing with Manu Ginobili, Luis Scola and Andres Nocioni.

Nice article. I'm constantly arguing with jrod who thinks linsanity was 7 games in February. He refuses to acknowledge bludgeoning teams in March and go 6-1 with Melo, Amare, Lin, Tyson & Novak averaging double digits. Beat them on average of 100.9 to 86.9 points.

That was the best the Knicks looked since the 90s

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:Even after getting Melo the one chance we had was to resign Lin who they could've further developed as the PG this team needed. That would've been the smart economical way to do it. They should never have let Lin hit the open market. Sign to a cap friendly deal. Then they just needed to draft well and make smart FA pick ups.

This isn't to say Lin was an elite player but if they kept him he was capable of getting in the paint which we needed. He had the right style for how the team was set up.

The weirdest phenomenon has been Knicks fans who trash Lin when he was our best option for developing a combo guard who can both distribute, shoot and penetrate. Judging his consistency based on playing next to Harden and Kobe doesn't make much sense. No, he's not an all-star, but he was the ONLY player who ever showed the winner's gene on this club in the longest time and we let him go. If he was here, by now he could have developed chemistry with Melo (unless Melo is just pure trash and can't play with anyone) and we'd have a 2nd scoring option and some creative juice on the team. Lin is still a player to watch. People who write him off are out to lunch. He is very much needing the right situation to thrive again and it can happen.

That MDA based system we had even when we had Kidd would've worked even BETTER with Lin instead of Felton. It was clear that we needed a PG who could penetrate plus pass and score from 3. Management listened to Woody who didn't like Lin. That's why they didn't lock Lin up and sent him out on the market which made no sense if you believed in him as they said.

It's over now but Phil is gonna have to find an affordable PG that has the needed skills. Gotta be able to hit a 3 but also run a PnR and penetrate effectively. We don't have that right now as neither Jose, Prigs nor Larkin have penetration and ability to finish at the rim. Only THJ gets to the rim with regular success.

Very good points Nix. Just one thing I don't think Woodson did not like Lin. How could you dislike him as a coach when you witnessed what he is capable of. I think it's Melo who did not want to share the limelight with Lin. Melo & CAA suck their pitbulls on Lin using Stephen A Smith and espn radio as an avenue to discredit Lin. You know, its up to Lin to adapt to Melo. How dare fans suggest that MElo needs to adapt to the success of the team with Lin---SAS. "Players(melo)" were questioning Lin's heart not playing through injury--SAS Even though Lin was not ready to play according to the doctors original timeline.

He would've played had the knicks got out of the 1st round but they were owned by Miami.

It's funny how SAS went from praising Lin to bashing him literally over night once fans started saying Melo needed to adjust to the way the team was successfully playing.

Woodson had no choice but to stick by Melo even if it meant alienating Lin. He wanted to keep his head coaching job

It's no longer a where's there's smoke there's fire thing with Melo. He has to go overtime to prove now he is able to play with other people who take his shine. It has gotten to the point now where this whole scenario of attracting a quality FA is basically sabotaged by having a vain, non-cooperative player as your centerpiece.

It's clear to me that when people squawk about comments of Melo not wanting Lin that they cannot explain away the fact Melo actually bashed Lin during negotiations.

I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANOTHER NBA PLAYER CALLING A PLAYER'S CONTRACT DEMANDS RIDICULOUS DURING NEGOTIATIONS.

NEVER FUKKING EVER

Wow, and people have the balls to say Melo didn't sabotage Lin? They're stupid if they believe that. He did it. It's on the record.

Did you watch the summer league game where they showed part of the interview and Hahn explained the context? Also, in terms of the contract, it took a first round pick being included to move that deal.

Please notice that I was not addressing a holistic overview of Lin's resigning process. I was merely pointing out the ignorance of so many who live in denial to the fact Melo did something I HAVE NEVER SEEN A NBA PLAYER DO TO ANOTHER NBA PLAYER. It was unprecendented to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong). And it clearly showed Melo had no problems PUBLICLY sabotaging Lin's negotiations. He did it. It is not really disputable at all. That players may sabotage one another is very much a strong possibility in countless situations, but the public nature of this sabotage I had never seen before.

short of being deposed by a lawyer you will never get a straight answer out of crushalot but lets try:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8168386/carmelo-anthony-says-ridiculous-jeremy-lin-deal-new-york-knicks

this is an article that is quoting both carmelo anthony and jr smith.

did melo say lin's contract was ridiculous, crushalot? did jr smith say that lin's contract would make for a difficult locker room, crushalot?

Crush often very trivial and petty and rarely if ever

Focuses on the meats and potatoes of a discussion

Its always a fun night when you can get the Banned Band back together again.

you didn't bother to answer either question that was asked of you. instead you call people names. i have a name to call you but i don't think you can handle it.

do you want to know what it is? that's another question by the way.