Nalod wrote:

Splat wrote:When a trade goes down, what are all the suckers from the Melo Anti-Defamation League going to say then?

Human beings have an infinite capacity to live in denial. Some will still believe Melo cares about winning in spite of everything showing the opposite. Oh no, that's false psychoanalytical garbage they will exclaim like they always do. Fools.

The good part is if he leaves perhaps we don't have to have the redundent subject regurgitate over and over.
If this scenario unfolds then perhaps some Moobyites will have been suprised over his lack of backbone. Rather than revel in delight, to which there is no glory btw, you might want to help them by putting an arm around them and begin to unify under the common suffereing we all share alike. Melo or not, we all suffer in the same plight.

"I told you so" does not win your friend, put money in your pocket, or feed the hungry.

I seriously doubt this rumor has many legs to it. Melo's image has taken a bad enough hit as it is. To make a short sighted deceision to bail after 22 games seems pretty far fetched.
NOthing suprises me anymore with the Knicks but this one would!!

smackeddog wrote:

Splat wrote:Thank you for weighing in on the topic Triple.

Much of the divide in society between generating value vs. the esteem for fame and wealth is played out on this board and among fans of professional sports all over the country.

That Melo is so blatantly fake and it seems to infuriate a portion of the fan base to point it out is really the ultimate tell of where peoples' values are. They seem to think you can separate these things when you simply cannot.

CHARACTER = DESTINY

Melo signed here because we offered the most money and he believed Phil could eventually turn things round and have us competing. I fail to see how not leaping into bed with the Bulls (who everyone was lauding under the false idea Rose would magically return to full health. Heck even Noah is reduced all season due to knee surgery. The reason that team is above average this year is because of Gasol and Butler, neither of whom would be there if they'd landed Melo) makes him evil. FA who signed with contenders for less used to be called ring chasers. Now they are saints. It's pathetic- now players get blasted for not staying and trying to turn a team round.

What's more important- the chance of winning a ring or actual money for your kids and grandkids? It's up to people to decide- and to figure out the right balance for them. There are no rights or wrongs and it doesn't make players evil or stupid because they opt to get as much of the money they help generate back.

Look man, I've done a lot of charity work over the years, but one day you look up and see the folk at the top of those charities are getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, while you're working for free. I strike more of a balance now between getting paid fairly and working environment, but sometimes I need the money so I'll do the job that pays better. I could work privately and get even more money, but I choose not to. If I ever change my mind and work privately, it doesn't make me evil, it just means I got fed up of organisations not paying me fairly.

Who said he's evil for taking $50M more?

I don't give a chit.

This is getting difficult to maintain basic logic when I've been exceedingly clear.

Melo's priority is money. Love or hate him all you want for it. But it is what drives his decisions and why playing for the New York Knicks after he signed the deal was COMPLETELY SECONDARY to the fact HE NEEDED TO STAY HERE TO GET PAID. He has no loyalty to the club. So if he gets traded, then it is not going to be a crisis for Melo. He got what he wanted.

I'm stating simply what his priorities are. Going off on some tangent about evil and feeding his babies is irrelevant.

holfresh wrote:So the NYPost is pissed the the NYTimes jumped the shark before them...Now they float their own story a day later...Knick fans chew the chum like fish bait..How clever..

Nah I believe this has some legs. The team is 4-20 it sounds like Melo's teammates do not have his back at all. How can an organization run like that if your main guy is the most hated guy in a team game? I don't see this as a rumor Berman made up--someone talked to him from the Knicks.

Splat wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Splat wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Splat wrote:Because he's a prima donna. Prima donnas can't survive having tomatoes thrown at them by the audience for very long. Melo doesn't have the stomach for it.

NYC can be the worst place now for Melo if the heat keeps getting turned up. NYC the lifestyle will become secondary to NYC the emotional cauldron. He'd want to leave. If Phil wants him gone, then Melo will want to leave. He is scared of Phil after all, ha ha

And when is it too much for prima donnas? Since Melo's been here, like literally since the trade went through, hes been criticized for: gutting the team, chasing money, being selfish, being a chucker, being a ball hog, taking the team away from Amare, getting D'antoni fired, chasing money, bringing the CAA into things, making players worse, being mentally weak, not being a leader, influencing management not to re-sign Lin, not being Lebron, not being Durant, and chasing money. This has been since 2011.

Your litany of horrors came AFTER he came from Denver.

Melo had to wait for free agency to regain his leverage.

That is the only factor here.

Ascribing fortitude to Melo by virtue of sticking out his contract is silly. He wasn't going anywhere until he got paid. That's the real and only bottom line here.

Oh, and all the things you list: they are true, but completely unnecessary for discerning what the real pivot points are in this situation.

Honestly, in my opinion, if he really couldn't take the stuff from the media, he would've been gone by now. That was my point. Since 2011, he's had almost every negative occurrence attributed to his presence on the team. I think if he really couldn't take it, he'd be gone by now. We're going to have to agree to disagree.

I understood your point and I explained why it carries little weight. We're talking about a person whose primary ambition was to lock in $124M + a $17.5M trade kicker. That is all Melo needed to withstand any of us saying his mama wears army boots.

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:So the NYPost is pissed the the NYTimes jumped the shark before them...Now they float their own story a day later...Knick fans chew the chum like fish bait..How clever..

Nah I believe this has some legs. The team is 4-20 it sounds like Melo's teammates do not have his back at all. How can an organization run like that if your main guy is the most hated guy in a team game? I don't see this as a rumor Berman made up--someone talked to him from the Knicks.

Jordan and Kobe are/were SOB's and I think largely disliked on their teams. But they bought every nite.
Melo wants it, but he likely does not fully understand just how hard it is.
Phil has alluded to plenty regarding his game. Melo took the money, now phil is holding him accountable.
Its how you change the culture. You want to get paid and be the man? No more "coming home" celebrations for showing up.
Will it work? I don't know.

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:So the NYPost is pissed the the NYTimes jumped the shark before them...Now they float their own story a day later...Knick fans chew the chum like fish bait..How clever..

Nah I believe this has some legs. The team is 4-20 it sounds like Melo's teammates do not have his back at all. How can an organization run like that if your main guy is the most hated guy in a team game? I don't see this as a rumor Berman made up--someone talked to him from the Knicks.

I think both stories are true

Melo hasn't reached his breaking point yet

It's obvious guys on this team don't like each other

They're just putting up, out of contractual obligations

NYKBocker wrote:There are very few teams that you can trade Melo to that has the contracts to come back to us.

Lakers is one of them. If they want Melo instead of their 1st rd pick this year would be awesome.

Melo for Nash, Lin, Julius Randle and their 2015 1st round pick. They can have a last hurrah for Kobe with Melo.

We basically get Randle and their lottery pick for Melo. If this happens then next year we have 3 players picked in the lottery in our roster.

That would be amazingly gangster. Three #1 picks playing next year! With Lin's IQ?! He would be great in the triangle!

It's about time we get the better end of a deal for once!

Now if only this didn't come from Berman

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BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:So the NYPost is pissed the the NYTimes jumped the shark before them...Now they float their own story a day later...Knick fans chew the chum like fish bait..How clever..

Nah I believe this has some legs. The team is 4-20 it sounds like Melo's teammates do not have his back at all. How can an organization run like that if your main guy is the most hated guy in a team game? I don't see this as a rumor Berman made up--someone talked to him from the Knicks.

Simple, a majority of these players won't be here next year and they know it. They know the poor start is blamed on the supporting cast by management. Hating on Melo is the only way to try to save face for the guys who won't be there next season. It's their only hope (even a small hope) at a change of direction. Phil is in purge mode-everyone minus Melo and maybe calderon is fighting an uphill battle.

fishmike wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Splat wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Splat wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Splat wrote:Because he's a prima donna. Prima donnas can't survive having tomatoes thrown at them by the audience for very long. Melo doesn't have the stomach for it.

NYC can be the worst place now for Melo if the heat keeps getting turned up. NYC the lifestyle will become secondary to NYC the emotional cauldron. He'd want to leave. If Phil wants him gone, then Melo will want to leave. He is scared of Phil after all, ha ha

And when is it too much for prima donnas? Since Melo's been here, like literally since the trade went through, hes been criticized for: gutting the team, chasing money, being selfish, being a chucker, being a ball hog, taking the team away from Amare, getting D'antoni fired, chasing money, bringing the CAA into things, making players worse, being mentally weak, not being a leader, influencing management not to re-sign Lin, not being Lebron, not being Durant, and chasing money. This has been since 2011.

Your litany of horrors came AFTER he came from Denver.

Melo had to wait for free agency to regain his leverage.

That is the only factor here.

Ascribing fortitude to Melo by virtue of sticking out his contract is silly. He wasn't going anywhere until he got paid. That's the real and only bottom line here.

Oh, and all the things you list: they are true, but completely unnecessary for discerning what the real pivot points are in this situation.

Honestly, in my opinion, if he really couldn't take the stuff from the media, he would've been gone by now. That was my point. Since 2011, he's had almost every negative occurrence attributed to his presence on the team. I think if he really couldn't take it, he'd be gone by now. We're going to have to agree to disagree.

I understood your point and I explained why it carries little weight. We're talking about a person whose primary ambition was to lock in $124M + a $17.5M trade kicker. That is all Melo needed to withstand any of us saying his mama wears army boots.

How does that mean my point has weight? If anything, we agree. He's got the money which is what he wanted. The stuff the media says isn't getting to him.

not sure if your aware but splat knows specifically what Melo is thinking with each decision he makes. Its hard to argue with that level of knowledge. Best to let it go an let the jihadists rejoice in the prospect their greatest infidel being vanquished. Its their day

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:So the NYPost is pissed the the NYTimes jumped the shark before them...Now they float their own story a day later...Knick fans chew the chum like fish bait..How clever..

Nah I believe this has some legs. The team is 4-20 it sounds like Melo's teammates do not have his back at all. How can an organization run like that if your main guy is the most hated guy in a team game? I don't see this as a rumor Berman made up--someone talked to him from the Knicks.

Simple, a majority of these players won't be here next year and they know it. They know the poor start is blamed on the supporting cast by management. Hating on Melo is the only way to try to save face for the guys who won't be there next season. It's their only hope (even a small hope) at a change of direction. Phil is in purge mode-everyone minus Melo and maybe calderon is fighting an uphill battle.

This is an interesting take. Fair point too. A lot of guys haven't done there part to better their own games. Take THJ for example. I was high on him coming into the year, but he has done very little to improve on his flaws from last season, which was disappointing and is mostly on him. Same could be said for other players as well. At the end of the day though, people typically get paid for production in FA, so I don't see this helping very much.