nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:You guys are really doing a helluva job of trying to confuse the issues here. You guys are the ones trying to make this argument limited to Felton's and Jose's playoff performances. I've been taking a much more comprehensive view of the value of not only replacing Felton with Jose but how that fits into the leadership of the team from Dolan, Woody and Felton to Phil, Fish and Jose. This is just your way of trying to find a small point to make a big deal about and win an argument. It is only a small part of my overall point in this thread.

Phil, Fish and Jose >>>>>>>>> Dolan, Woody and Felton!!! Stop trying to confuse everyone and make this into an argument about specific games. Sure that's part of it, but it's not the most important part. We're in better shape now based on how Phil, Fish and Jose fit as a unit. They have a focus on TEAM that we really didn't see from Dolan, Woody and Felton. Phil is 110% focused on TEAM and he developed Fish into a PG that was focused on TEAM and has the same approach to the game. Jose is totally focused on team and is known to be that kind of player. Felton gets caught up trying to prove he's an elite player and often it gets him into trouble. Whereas Jose's own words underscore his team focus:

"That's my game," he said. "I'm not a 25-point, whatever. I'm a team player, a [pass-first] point guard. I'm going to try to put everybody in position, try to make the right decision at the end. I've been playing for a while. I know how to handle those situations. I will try to do what Coach wants at the end of the game and execute the right way."

"For me, it's always to put everybody in the right situation," Calderon said on a conference call Friday. "I don't make everybody work for their shot every time. He's (Melo) one of the best players in the league. I'd love to play with him. I think I can help him, take a lot of pressure off him and just give him the ball when he's ready for it."

"That's what I've been doing. I did it in Toronto with Chris Bosh or [DeMar] DeRozan and with Dirk the last year with Dallas. And because of my three-point ability, I can give him (Melo) more space."

"I'd love to make everything easier for him (Melo) and make the team successful and try to get as far as we can. He can be a big part of this for sure. Anything I can do to make him stay, for sure."

So back to my overall point. Phil, Fish and Jose IMO represent a more solid and unified chain of command and should be able to execute the game plan and get the rest of the team in line on that game plan much more effectively because they are unified and focused. Not to mention more capable leaders and communicators in terms of BB. We've lacked this kind of unity and clarity of focus.

I really think it's you that has to go back and read your posts....it literally looks like 3-4 poeple have access to your account as you're all over the place.

Dolan is the one who put this together, after all, the overall point of your thread is about ROOTS is it not?

So....Dolan-Phil-Fish-Calderon seems appropriate as none of it's possible without Jimmy.

And sorry dude, none of your vaunted trifecta have proven ANYTHING in the roles they are currently in....yet.

Calderon has never led a team anywhere but lotto. Fisher has never coached from the sideline. Phil has never been a chief exec before.

We all have to wait and see.....as it could be successful, but it could fail as well.

I've only been dragged off into tangents by you and others who keep making these smaller and less important arguments. Most of you negative guys have missed the point of the thread entirely. That's my fault for taking the bait.

Dolan is no longer at the top of the day to day decision making and that is the point I was making. I've been very clear about that. Dolan in his own words has stepped aside and given that job to Phil. So no it's not Dolan, Phil, Fish and Jose in the way it was in fact Dolan, Woody and Felton. It's Phil, Fish and Jose in that chain.

Of course it could fail. That's the case with anything in life. I don't think it's likely. The pedigree of Phil, Fish and Jose is that they are known to be good leaders and focused on team first. That will permeate the rest of the franchise and change the culture to one that should make it more successful. I've made no guarantee. I've only suggested that there is reason to believe in this team due to a better, more unified and more focused group leading the way. That was the genesis of this thread, regardless of how it may have drifted off course. I keep trying to bring it back to the main point.

i said I like Phil's deals, i'm just not overplaying them as automatic sucessful like you are.

Every good rank and file employee dont make good supervisors, it isnt LIKELY Fisher will be successful.

There's very few coaches turned GM's to even gauge Phil against and Phil is relying heavily on the front office that he hasnt gotten rid of one whom the Knicks just re-signed in warkentein.

And please stop with this nonsense on calderon....if he is a success here it will be first time in his whole career.

there's a reason why they traded him immediately after signing him.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:You guys are really doing a helluva job of trying to confuse the issues here. You guys are the ones trying to make this argument limited to Felton's and Jose's playoff performances. I've been taking a much more comprehensive view of the value of not only replacing Felton with Jose but how that fits into the leadership of the team from Dolan, Woody and Felton to Phil, Fish and Jose. This is just your way of trying to find a small point to make a big deal about and win an argument. It is only a small part of my overall point in this thread.

Phil, Fish and Jose >>>>>>>>> Dolan, Woody and Felton!!! Stop trying to confuse everyone and make this into an argument about specific games. Sure that's part of it, but it's not the most important part. We're in better shape now based on how Phil, Fish and Jose fit as a unit. They have a focus on TEAM that we really didn't see from Dolan, Woody and Felton. Phil is 110% focused on TEAM and he developed Fish into a PG that was focused on TEAM and has the same approach to the game. Jose is totally focused on team and is known to be that kind of player. Felton gets caught up trying to prove he's an elite player and often it gets him into trouble. Whereas Jose's own words underscore his team focus:

"That's my game," he said. "I'm not a 25-point, whatever. I'm a team player, a [pass-first] point guard. I'm going to try to put everybody in position, try to make the right decision at the end. I've been playing for a while. I know how to handle those situations. I will try to do what Coach wants at the end of the game and execute the right way."

"For me, it's always to put everybody in the right situation," Calderon said on a conference call Friday. "I don't make everybody work for their shot every time. He's (Melo) one of the best players in the league. I'd love to play with him. I think I can help him, take a lot of pressure off him and just give him the ball when he's ready for it."

"That's what I've been doing. I did it in Toronto with Chris Bosh or [DeMar] DeRozan and with Dirk the last year with Dallas. And because of my three-point ability, I can give him (Melo) more space."

"I'd love to make everything easier for him (Melo) and make the team successful and try to get as far as we can. He can be a big part of this for sure. Anything I can do to make him stay, for sure."

So back to my overall point. Phil, Fish and Jose IMO represent a more solid and unified chain of command and should be able to execute the game plan and get the rest of the team in line on that game plan much more effectively because they are unified and focused. Not to mention more capable leaders and communicators in terms of BB. We've lacked this kind of unity and clarity of focus.

I really think it's you that has to go back and read your posts....it literally looks like 3-4 poeple have access to your account as you're all over the place.

Dolan is the one who put this together, after all, the overall point of your thread is about ROOTS is it not?

So....Dolan-Phil-Fish-Calderon seems appropriate as none of it's possible without Jimmy.

And sorry dude, none of your vaunted trifecta have proven ANYTHING in the roles they are currently in....yet.

Calderon has never led a team anywhere but lotto. Fisher has never coached from the sideline. Phil has never been a chief exec before.

We all have to wait and see.....as it could be successful, but it could fail as well.

I've only been dragged off into tangents by you and others who keep making these smaller and less important arguments. Most of you negative guys have missed the point of the thread entirely. That's my fault for taking the bait.

Dolan is no longer at the top of the day to day decision making and that is the point I was making. I've been very clear about that. Dolan in his own words has stepped aside and given that job to Phil. So no it's not Dolan, Phil, Fish and Jose in the way it was in fact Dolan, Woody and Felton. It's Phil, Fish and Jose in that chain.

Of course it could fail. That's the case with anything in life. I don't think it's likely. The pedigree of Phil, Fish and Jose is that they are known to be good leaders and focused on team first. That will permeate the rest of the franchise and change the culture to one that should make it more successful. I've made no guarantee. I've only suggested that there is reason to believe in this team due to a better, more unified and more focused group leading the way. That was the genesis of this thread, regardless of how it may have drifted off course. I keep trying to bring it back to the main point.

Actually I'm not negative, I'm realistic, but I've stayed within the confines of your own thread. Your opening post plainly states it's about felton and woodson vs the new trio.....and thats the only place I've been.

i said I like Phil's deals, i'm just not overplaying them as automatic sucessful like you are.

Every good rank and file employee dont make good supervisors, it isnt LIKELY Fisher will be successful.

There's very few coaches turned GM's to even gauge Phil against and Phil is relying heavily on the front office that he hasnt gotten rid of one whom the Knicks just re-signed in warkentein.

And please stop with this nonsense on calderon....if he is a success here it will be first time in his whole career.

there's a reason why they traded him immediately after signing him.

I didn't post a picture of Dolan, but I WROTE that he was part of the problem in a flawed chain from Management to the court. From my OP to my last post i've made the same comparison.

From my original post:

nixluva wrote:This team has some talent and mainly just needed better leadership on the bench and on the floor. Phil, Fish and Jose will prove to be a huge improvement over Dolan, Woody and Felton. If you can't see the difference then God help you. The presence of Phil, Fish and Jose will make everyone better and that's one reason for hope.

So in fact I haven't changed my focus or overall point at all. As a group I believe that they will be a better leadership team and have a positive impact on the players on this team.

It's a flawed approach to try and determine how Phil will do by comparing him to other coaches who turned GM or President. Why should that really matter? Phil brings a unique set of skills to the table. As i've said before no one can guarantee success, but you can do things that make success more likely. IMO Phil is that kind of leader. You may not think so, but I do believe that Phil is that kind of leader.

I'm not even saying that this team is going to come roaring out of the gates. I think there are a ton of questions about how all of this will be put together in a way that works. This isn't even the final team that we're likely to see from Phil, so obviously this is just a start of a longer process. If they could get a better PG than Jose i'm pretty sure they would've done so. The same goes for just about every player on the team. Calderon is a good player, who according to many NBA analysts is a top 20 PG. Your bashing him doesn't change the fact that many respected BB analysts have a good view of him. Forgive me if I don't hold your opinion of Jose as of any value in this context. Dallas trading Jose doesn't mean that he won't be a good addition to this team. What kind of point are you even trying to make by saying that. Dallas has other guards but they felt they NEEDED Tyson. That's not an indictment on Jose. In the end my original point remains that Phil, Fish and Jose is a better leadership group than Dolan, Woody and Felton for this team.