NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

JoeyBagadonuts wrote:Owing to the departure of Lance Stephenson, Indiana has a gaping hole at SG/knucklehead, and needs backcourt scoring in the worst way. So opportunity knocks for moving JR. C. Copeland for JR works for me, and for tradechecker. Vogel doesn't know what he has in Cope, but Fish won't make the same mistake.

I'd do that with the quickness. Jr on the Pacers makes it a rivalry again.

So you want to give away JR for a 30 year old jump shooting forward who does not play D particularly well and could not crack the rotation on the Pacers last year.....because Cope played a limited number of good games for the Knicks 2 years ago. If the plan is to trade JR, wouldn't it be better to try and harness JR's potential under Fisher/PJ in order to drive up his value to bring back more (such as a pick) in a trade? If I was PJ, I would assign a mentor/personal assistant/spy to JR to be with him at all times and keep him out of trouble.......try to drive short term focus and success on the court......and then trade him during the season to a team in need of a 2.

I agree that the Knicks need to get more than Cope if they are going to move JR. I also think JR may do very well in a more structured environment and yeah I know the names of the other coaches he has played for. I am a bit surprised that Cope and JR works salary wise in the trade checker. Cope got a great deal and then couldn't crack the rotation. Also important to remember that Cope is older then Smith and the same age as Anthony.

I'm not sure you could get much more than Copeland. JR is 28 years old and a known commodity by now. What you see, is what you get with him and his attitude makes his skillset expendable. All he is, is an older version of Nick Young and Young has been readily available for next to nothing for several years now. Needless to say, I think we'd be better served having his $6 million vacated from the books in 2015 than by keeping him around.

The knicks need to relieve this guard glut before the season starts. Copeland is a legit small forward that can play some power fwd. He can make shots at a position we are weak. That's all we really need. Then Shump becomes the starter at the 2 with Thjr off the bench.

I'd prefer to trade Shump, but this trade frees up 6 million.

No brainer

EnySpree wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

JoeyBagadonuts wrote:Owing to the departure of Lance Stephenson, Indiana has a gaping hole at SG/knucklehead, and needs backcourt scoring in the worst way. So opportunity knocks for moving JR. C. Copeland for JR works for me, and for tradechecker. Vogel doesn't know what he has in Cope, but Fish won't make the same mistake.

I'd do that with the quickness. Jr on the Pacers makes it a rivalry again.

So you want to give away JR for a 30 year old jump shooting forward who does not play D particularly well and could not crack the rotation on the Pacers last year.....because Cope played a limited number of good games for the Knicks 2 years ago. If the plan is to trade JR, wouldn't it be better to try and harness JR's potential under Fisher/PJ in order to drive up his value to bring back more (such as a pick) in a trade? If I was PJ, I would assign a mentor/personal assistant/spy to JR to be with him at all times and keep him out of trouble.......try to drive short term focus and success on the court......and then trade him during the season to a team in need of a 2.

I agree that the Knicks need to get more than Cope if they are going to move JR. I also think JR may do very well in a more structured environment and yeah I know the names of the other coaches he has played for. I am a bit surprised that Cope and JR works salary wise in the trade checker. Cope got a great deal and then couldn't crack the rotation. Also important to remember that Cope is older then Smith and the same age as Anthony.

I'm not sure you could get much more than Copeland. JR is 28 years old and a known commodity by now. What you see, is what you get with him and his attitude makes his skillset expendable. All he is, is an older version of Nick Young and Young has been readily available for next to nothing for several years now. Needless to say, I think we'd be better served having his $6 million vacated from the books in 2015 than by keeping him around.

The knicks need to relieve this guard glut before the season starts. Copeland is a legit small forward that can play some power fwd. He can make shots at a position we are weak. That's all we really need. Then Shump becomes the starter at the 2 with Thjr off the bench.

I'd prefer to trade Shump, but this trade frees up 6 million.

No brainer

Yeah, I think we should trade Shumpert for something as well. I've got no problems with him or his game necessarily but his contract is expiring and I don't see the incentive in paying him more money. If we can still get a 1st or two 2nd rounders, I'd roll the dice and move on. I don't want this turning into Landry Fields 2.0 where we lose a guy that teams possibly had interest in for nothing.

As for JR, I'm inclined to move him for anything that vacates his salary. Between he and Shumpert, I go with Shumpert though. I think Shumpert's game is more conducive to system basketball, despite the obvious talent/skill disparity.

TripleThreat wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:he has a max deal so you can't feel that bad for him....its 2014...he should bounce back eventually.

Indiana lost Lance to free agency and now Paul George to this freak injury....they are toast now. They might need to dump guys now. If I was Larry Bird, as soon as this settles in...I would look to dump salary and prepare the team for when Paul George comes back....best believe he will eventually.

Kind've ****ed up....but an unprotected 2015 first rounder from Indiana would be looking pretty good right about now. I could see them offloading George Hill, David West and Roy Hibbert though, all of whom we could use and are imminently available. This yet another Indiana team that had it's contender status cut short (I'm thinking of Jermaine O'Neal-Ron Artest era).

well it's a business as they say....Indiana could use a high pick now and they could use cap space going forward.....

the Knicks need David West to protect Melo inside....Hibbert sucks but he could be used as well.....the kinda obvious deal is Amare and Shump for West and Hibbert.

Indiana reloads and the Knicks man up....

This is a legit theory because Paul George is gonna be out a season and a half at least. If they can tank a little next season and make a free agent signing, they can reinvent the franchise behind a stellar rookie and a blue chip free agent to pair with Paul on his comeback tour.

Yeah, Hibbert's kind of a bum but I think they'd want to dump him and that contract in any deal involving David West. And considering West's advanced age, I doubt he'd command much beyond an expirer and an Iman Shumpert if Hibbert's included in the deal.

On a side, I somewhat like George Hill who I took could be a good bench player. I'd demand him back in the deal...maybe even push for Luis Scola who is a bit of a sieve defensively at this point but would be a good fit off the bench in the triangle as well. Maybe Amare, Bargnani, Shumpert and Larkin for Hibbert, West, Hill and Scola?

The Knicks are only going to get better by taking small positive steps. One after another. Rome wasn't built in a day. Taking in a declining George Hill is exactly the wrong thing to do. You have to build through the draft. Cheap, cost controlled labor, where you hope young talent emerges and begins to outplay and outproduce their rookie salary slot and contracts. Then they become major assets like a Chandler Parsons. If you want to lure a superstar like Durant, you have to have a young hungry talented roster in place with flexibility to attract them. Do you think Howard went to Houston because he loves Texas? No, he saw a team with an aggressive GM who had cap space, draft pick ammo, young players with upside, a nice mix of expirings and enough talent to make moves and still have a competitive roster even afterwards.

IMHO, Paul George is done as a franchise player. Too bad for the kid, what a great potential talent.

Expiring contract do have value, maybe not as much, but as long as contracts are getting shorter, you want to remain with cap space since there will more than likely be solid pieces available every off season.

Your not building through the draft, that goes well for like 2 out of 30 teams. when you build through the draft, you end uplike Philli, clev, mini, kings, ect..trading away all of your assets, because your afraid to lose them for nothing when those same players want to win, while your heading back to the lottery.

This is exactly why players like George and Stephenson should take the money when they can get it, when they are young, healthy, and looking forward to promising careers. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh coming together for two rings, Duncan taking less and less money to keep the Spurs going, Dirk doing the same for the Mavs - these are exceptions to the rule, from aging players who have usually already made their money and their careers. Kobe might have crippled the Lakers by signing a max contract last year, but it is up to front offices not to offer big bucks. Parsons took the money to go to Dallas, Harden took the money to come to Houston, and Howard is probably saving enough money on alimony and income taxes to be making more money here than in Orlando or LA. But a single awkward landing can end or ruin a career - think of how much better Livingston could have been - and then a player is left out to dry. Wear and tear can easily do the same; Rockets fans might remember the teams built around Yao and T-Mac in their primes, and the Blazers they faced, led by Brandon Roy and Greg Oden. That was only five years ago.

Fans point fingers. Any superstar signing a max contract wasn't doing enough to help his team win. A player who leaves his original team for more money is a traitor. But Paul George's accident last night is a sobering reminder of how fragile NBA careers are, just as fans were beginning to rejoice over Derrick Rose's return. There are plenty of happy recovery stories throughout the league's history - Livingston coming back with the Nets, Oden finding his spot on the Heat, Grant Hill carving out a long career in Phoenix, Magic Johnson leading the Dream Team while battling HIV - but for every Rose there is a thorn. Here's to a speedy and successful recovery for Paul George, and a resurgence for Derrick Rose.