mreinman wrote:with the new salary cap coming and a new amnesty clause being a strong possibility, I am moving on from caring about this.

Unless Melo has a clause in his dumbtract that inhibits an amnesty

Ohh, didn't I say he has a clause that can amnesty an amnesty clause, creating a canceling effect where we not only lose our amnesty clause in the attempt to get rid of him, but a 6th and 7th year automatically appear in his contract starting at 30mill!!!!

Melo's contract has a life of its ownnnnnn!!!!!!!!!

foosballnick wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Lebron is banking on a serious increase in cap space after the new TV contract in 2016- might be a max salary increase, too. James is confident enough to do this kind of thing, while Anthony opted for a longer, more secure deal. They are basically the same age, although James is in better shape and a better athlete to begin with.

Anthony probably had the same info that James was using to make his decision. If Anthony declines as a player, he is covered, we can't opt out of the contract at any point, and he can't be traded without his permission.

Everyone should think about the 5th year opt out carefully. There is almost NO way that he would opt out at 35 in order to get a larger contract, because he could not get one (See Amare, although with him it is injury, not age). What he can do, if the Jackson experiment does not bring us a trip to the finals, is opt out to take less money from another team, one that is pretty much guaranteed to get into a title game (how ironic would that be).

Yeah... call me a hater, but once again we were held hostage by this guy. No other way to see it- he pretty much got everything he wanted, just like he did the first time. I would have had more respect for him if he had taken less from Chicago, but he has to worry about his kids, since the cost of college will be hitting $2M/yr. soon... not including textbooks, and those dollar deals at McDonald's won't last forever.

Not sure anyone but Anthony should be happy about this deal. This is not a deal where Melo "took less to help the team," and I hope that people don't portray it as such. This is a Max contract, in every way but the final total. On average, we pay $1M less/year.

Some more Melo-hate comments:

He should come in at least 15 lbs lighter than he played last year. It will also be interesting to see how he takes to a new offense, one where he won't have as much control over who takes shots, and one where he actually has to move around on the offensive end.

If he does not like his role on the team, and how things are going for him, I don't want to hear Steven A. Smith quoting "sources" saying that Anthony is upset with his role and the way the offense is going, when the team is winning but he is only averaging 20 PPG.

How he takes to being a mere cog in a system offense will determine if any FAs want to play with us. Multi-talented FAs almost worthy of the Max are not going to want to play with a Harden or a Kobe, unless there are other factors involved. If Anthony shows he can be satisfied scoring 20ppg and winning, I'll be happy. If we see the same average and shots/game as last year, we are in serious trouble.

Say what you want about Smith, by the way- he can be annoying, and his schtick sometimes wears thin, but almost immediately he came out with the contract being a 5 year Max deal with a no trade provision. Only thing he did not mention was the 5th year ETO.

Can't wait to see if Anthony wants to renegotiate his contract after the 2016 TV money comes in and the caps and max contracts are raised significantly and this or that player gets $145 M for 5 years.

Hope I am completely wrong about Anthony and he has an epiphany under Phil's guidance. Folks can call me out in the future if he is the perfect citizen. I'll happily reply with a smiley emoticon.

Wait til he forces Dolan to can Phil and Derek then we are doomed. Melo runs the Knicks now

Wahhhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhhhhhh

Jeez guns, just when it looked like you and Bonn were going to finally jump off that cabbage cart...

Am I wrong?

I tell my 6 year old that if he is continually whining about everything people will stop listening and not really care about right or wrong.

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Lebron is banking on a serious increase in cap space after the new TV contract in 2016- might be a max salary increase, too. James is confident enough to do this kind of thing, while Anthony opted for a longer, more secure deal. They are basically the same age, although James is in better shape and a better athlete to begin with.

Anthony probably had the same info that James was using to make his decision. If Anthony declines as a player, he is covered, we can't opt out of the contract at any point, and he can't be traded without his permission.

Everyone should think about the 5th year opt out carefully. There is almost NO way that he would opt out at 35 in order to get a larger contract, because he could not get one (See Amare, although with him it is injury, not age). What he can do, if the Jackson experiment does not bring us a trip to the finals, is opt out to take less money from another team, one that is pretty much guaranteed to get into a title game (how ironic would that be).

Yeah... call me a hater, but once again we were held hostage by this guy. No other way to see it- he pretty much got everything he wanted, just like he did the first time. I would have had more respect for him if he had taken less from Chicago, but he has to worry about his kids, since the cost of college will be hitting $2M/yr. soon... not including textbooks, and those dollar deals at McDonald's won't last forever.

Not sure anyone but Anthony should be happy about this deal. This is not a deal where Melo "took less to help the team," and I hope that people don't portray it as such. This is a Max contract, in every way but the final total. On average, we pay $1M less/year.

Some more Melo-hate comments:

He should come in at least 15 lbs lighter than he played last year. It will also be interesting to see how he takes to a new offense, one where he won't have as much control over who takes shots, and one where he actually has to move around on the offensive end.

If he does not like his role on the team, and how things are going for him, I don't want to hear Steven A. Smith quoting "sources" saying that Anthony is upset with his role and the way the offense is going, when the team is winning but he is only averaging 20 PPG.

How he takes to being a mere cog in a system offense will determine if any FAs want to play with us. Multi-talented FAs almost worthy of the Max are not going to want to play with a Harden or a Kobe, unless there are other factors involved. If Anthony shows he can be satisfied scoring 20ppg and winning, I'll be happy. If we see the same average and shots/game as last year, we are in serious trouble.

Say what you want about Smith, by the way- he can be annoying, and his schtick sometimes wears thin, but almost immediately he came out with the contract being a 5 year Max deal with a no trade provision. Only thing he did not mention was the 5th year ETO.

Can't wait to see if Anthony wants to renegotiate his contract after the 2016 TV money comes in and the caps and max contracts are raised significantly and this or that player gets $145 M for 5 years.

Hope I am completely wrong about Anthony and he has an epiphany under Phil's guidance. Folks can call me out in the future if he is the perfect citizen. I'll happily reply with a smiley emoticon.

Wait til he forces Dolan to can Phil and Derek then we are doomed. Melo runs the Knicks now

Wahhhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhhhhhh

Jeez guns, just when it looked like you and Bonn were going to finally jump off that cabbage cart...

Am I wrong?

I tell my 6 year old that if he is continually whining about everything people will stop listening and not really care about right or wrong.

Ironically, you whine about everything remotely critical of Melo

Ironically, you portray yourself as someone who only deals with metrics and facts but really appear to be nothing but a liar/troll sitting in mom's basement judging by this post.

PS - here's the most recent sentiment I expressed regarding Melo's contract which was IN THIS VERY THREAD if you ever even bothered reading once in a while instead of clogging the board with your consistently boring posts.......

Assuming that this rumored contract is true, it doesn't seem ideal for the Knicks & I'm not enamored with it.

Hardly defending or complimentary of Melo....but don't let facts get in your way.

That's fair. It make me happy to see that even the most staunch Melo supporters see that his contract and notion of hometown discount is ridiclous. It gives me hope

gunsnewing wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Lebron is banking on a serious increase in cap space after the new TV contract in 2016- might be a max salary increase, too. James is confident enough to do this kind of thing, while Anthony opted for a longer, more secure deal. They are basically the same age, although James is in better shape and a better athlete to begin with.

Anthony probably had the same info that James was using to make his decision. If Anthony declines as a player, he is covered, we can't opt out of the contract at any point, and he can't be traded without his permission.

Everyone should think about the 5th year opt out carefully. There is almost NO way that he would opt out at 35 in order to get a larger contract, because he could not get one (See Amare, although with him it is injury, not age). What he can do, if the Jackson experiment does not bring us a trip to the finals, is opt out to take less money from another team, one that is pretty much guaranteed to get into a title game (how ironic would that be).

Yeah... call me a hater, but once again we were held hostage by this guy. No other way to see it- he pretty much got everything he wanted, just like he did the first time. I would have had more respect for him if he had taken less from Chicago, but he has to worry about his kids, since the cost of college will be hitting $2M/yr. soon... not including textbooks, and those dollar deals at McDonald's won't last forever.

Not sure anyone but Anthony should be happy about this deal. This is not a deal where Melo "took less to help the team," and I hope that people don't portray it as such. This is a Max contract, in every way but the final total. On average, we pay $1M less/year.

Some more Melo-hate comments:

He should come in at least 15 lbs lighter than he played last year. It will also be interesting to see how he takes to a new offense, one where he won't have as much control over who takes shots, and one where he actually has to move around on the offensive end.

If he does not like his role on the team, and how things are going for him, I don't want to hear Steven A. Smith quoting "sources" saying that Anthony is upset with his role and the way the offense is going, when the team is winning but he is only averaging 20 PPG.

How he takes to being a mere cog in a system offense will determine if any FAs want to play with us. Multi-talented FAs almost worthy of the Max are not going to want to play with a Harden or a Kobe, unless there are other factors involved. If Anthony shows he can be satisfied scoring 20ppg and winning, I'll be happy. If we see the same average and shots/game as last year, we are in serious trouble.

Say what you want about Smith, by the way- he can be annoying, and his schtick sometimes wears thin, but almost immediately he came out with the contract being a 5 year Max deal with a no trade provision. Only thing he did not mention was the 5th year ETO.

Can't wait to see if Anthony wants to renegotiate his contract after the 2016 TV money comes in and the caps and max contracts are raised significantly and this or that player gets $145 M for 5 years.

Hope I am completely wrong about Anthony and he has an epiphany under Phil's guidance. Folks can call me out in the future if he is the perfect citizen. I'll happily reply with a smiley emoticon.

Wait til he forces Dolan to can Phil and Derek then we are doomed. Melo runs the Knicks now

Wahhhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhhhhhh

Jeez guns, just when it looked like you and Bonn were going to finally jump off that cabbage cart...

Am I wrong?

I tell my 6 year old that if he is continually whining about everything people will stop listening and not really care about right or wrong.

Ironically, you whine about everything remotely critical of Melo

Ironically, you portray yourself as someone who only deals with metrics and facts but really appear to be nothing but a liar/troll sitting in mom's basement judging by this post.

PS - here's the most recent sentiment I expressed regarding Melo's contract which was IN THIS VERY THREAD if you ever even bothered reading once in a while instead of clogging the board with your consistently boring posts.......

Assuming that this rumored contract is true, it doesn't seem ideal for the Knicks & I'm not enamored with it.

Hardly defending or complimentary of Melo....but don't let facts get in your way.

That's fair. It make me happy to see that even the most staunch Melo supporters see that his contract and notion of hometown discount is ridiclous. It gives me hope

yellowboy90 wrote:

RonRon wrote:That could be the difference between offering a max to

Gasol
Vs
A near max to Lebron to actually consider

18m to 22m in cap space

theoretically yes but in actuality there is not a player available in 15 that will be due to get a max of 17M or more. The following year the cap is expected to be near $80M and that will not stop the Knicks from getting a 20M max player.

The main difference is the ability to fill out the roster with Vets/rotation guys that are willing to except less money to play for a contender.

It would be nice if the plan this year is to develop the young guys into exceptional rotation players. If 2 of the youngsters can become legit starters(able to start for most teams) and 2 can become legit rotational players then the knicks will be on their way next season. This year is the foundation season where the knicks push to get into the second round and next year will be the year they compete for a title.