NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I would rather use Stat as an asset to get something in return at the trade deadline. That HUGE expiring contract is going to be great come February.

what if he is giving you 15/6 off the bench and shooting 55% and playing a great P&R next to Larkin and the Knicks are leading the Atlantic and are 3rd in the East. Still trade him? I think we could see that scenario..

The pick and roll is de-emphasized in the triangle in lieu of better floor spacing and coordinated player movement. That right there is why Amar'e should be on the block.

they have already said it wont be a pure triangle and Fish is free to put his own wrinkles in. Also Larkin was literally the best P&R PG in college, if you what your saying is true makes his aquisition puzzling.

I suspect the Amare thing is just a feel it out. We all know he's not a part of the future here so its just a matter of time. The question is when and does PHil try to get something out of him first? Then again maybe he stays as bench guy for years like McDyess did in Det.

Anything is possible at this point.

Certain elements of the college game translate well to the pros e.g. rebounding. Most of those qualities are only applicable to big men and big men skills. I'm skeptical of Larkin's ability to reproduce his P&R numbers because of his inability to see over the defenses. There's only one small PG that beat the odds in recent memory and that was CP3. But with CP3, he was always an element athlete and built like a bull, which Larkin is not. This is why I haven't thought much of Larkin's acquisition and remain skeptical of his ability to have any kind of staying power in this league. It doesn't always come down to skill or heart, after all because if it did, Pierre Jackson would've been in the league last season and dudes like Sebastian Telfair and Andre Barrett would've been household names.

As for Amare, I'd try to move him at ASAP. Every season we've expected him to morph back into a star, and we've been left disappointed after each. It's not a matter of heart with him, it's a matter of health, which leads me to believe that this season will be no different in spite of how hard he may work. Let's cut the umbilical cord and be done with him entirely. Yes, guys like McDyess has beaten the odds but with him, only his knee has been an issue. With Amar'e it's been his entire body, which makes it that much more unlikely that he'll ever be the same.

I dont know much about Larkin... so like most I have to resort to youtube and stuff like this:
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Situational-Statistics-the-2013-Point-Guard-Crop-4268/

-Shane Larkin's value proposition at the next level is simple, he created more combined points on the pick and roll for himself and his teammates last season than any prospect in the country at 14.3 points per-game. Playing in a pick and roll heavy, pro-style offense, Larkin kept defenses honest with his jump shot, which ranks second most efficient in this group at 1.137 points per-shot, and showed excellent command of the ball, turning the ball over on just 11.3% of his possessions creating in the two-man game. While scouts will scrutinize his size, his efficiency as a scorer and prolific shot creating ability seem tailor made for the NBA game.

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I would rather use Stat as an asset to get something in return at the trade deadline. That HUGE expiring contract is going to be great come February.

what if he is giving you 15/6 off the bench and shooting 55% and playing a great P&R next to Larkin and the Knicks are leading the Atlantic and are 3rd in the East. Still trade him? I think we could see that scenario..

The pick and roll is de-emphasized in the triangle in lieu of better floor spacing and coordinated player movement. That right there is why Amar'e should be on the block.

they have already said it wont be a pure triangle and Fish is free to put his own wrinkles in. Also Larkin was literally the best P&R PG in college, if you what your saying is true makes his aquisition puzzling.

I suspect the Amare thing is just a feel it out. We all know he's not a part of the future here so its just a matter of time. The question is when and does PHil try to get something out of him first? Then again maybe he stays as bench guy for years like McDyess did in Det.

Anything is possible at this point.

Certain elements of the college game translate well to the pros e.g. rebounding. Most of those qualities are only applicable to big men and big men skills. I'm skeptical of Larkin's ability to reproduce his P&R numbers because of his inability to see over the defenses. There's only one small PG that beat the odds in recent memory and that was CP3. But with CP3, he was always an element athlete and built like a bull, which Larkin is not. This is why I haven't thought much of Larkin's acquisition and remain skeptical of his ability to have any kind of staying power in this league. It doesn't always come down to skill or heart, after all because if it did, Pierre Jackson would've been in the league last season and dudes like Sebastian Telfair and Andre Barrett would've been household names.

As for Amare, I'd try to move him at ASAP. Every season we've expected him to morph back into a star, and we've been left disappointed after each. It's not a matter of heart with him, it's a matter of health, which leads me to believe that this season will be no different in spite of how hard he may work. Let's cut the umbilical cord and be done with him entirely. Yes, guys like McDyess has beaten the odds but with him, only his knee has been an issue. With Amar'e it's been his entire body, which makes it that much more unlikely that he'll ever be the same.

Isiah Thomas (the one on the Kings) is playing damn well isnt he? Aaron Brooks? The rules have changed.. Larkin has a great mid range jumper that keeps guys honest. That will certainly translate no?

I dont know much about Larkin... so like most I have to resort to youtube and stuff like this:
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Situational-Statistics-the-2013-Point-Guard-Crop-4268/

-Shane Larkin's value proposition at the next level is simple, he created more combined points on the pick and roll for himself and his teammates last season than any prospect in the country at 14.3 points per-game. Playing in a pick and roll heavy, pro-style offense, Larkin kept defenses honest with his jump shot, which ranks second most efficient in this group at 1.137 points per-shot, and showed excellent command of the ball, turning the ball over on just 11.3% of his possessions creating in the two-man game. While scouts will scrutinize his size, his efficiency as a scorer and prolific shot creating ability seem tailor made for the NBA game.

No... he's not a sure thing. Maybe he so bad on D he cant get floor time. But he's Barry's kid so I expect him to be mentally prepared and to work hard. Kids got pedigree!

Isiah Thomas' own team doesn't seem to want him anymore (though I have no idea why), while Aaron Brooks has flamed out considerably since his 2 season coming out party with the Rockets. It's nothing personal with Larkin but I don't see him being an asset for us moving forward. Time will tell but the track record of guys like him isn't very good, especially given the disproportionate amount of competition at the guard positions. Every season seems to have a Patrick Beverly or Shaun Livingston type that can just walk on and take someone's spot.

Gsus wrote:Fuck Amare and his 23 million dollar opt in. He can go write cookbooks and do fashion shows in Timbuktu for all I care, just get him off the team. My blood will boil every time he dribbles it off his foot next season.

I criticised Bosh in another thread about not taking the money in Houston and waiting like a bitch to play with Lebron for less, but then realized wow...there is a bum making 23 million next year on my team who has done jack **** for two years. Gotta respect Bosh, a man in his prime who is willing to do what it takes to win, compared to this loser.

Knicks are back..yeah, and you are working "hard on getting back to being in All-Star form"....this guy is delusional and needs to gtfo.

You angry? Want a hug?

Gsus wrote:Fuck Amare and his 23 million dollar opt in. He can go write cookbooks and do fashion shows in Timbuktu for all I care, just get him off the team. My blood will boil every time he dribbles it off his foot next season.

I criticised Bosh in another thread about not taking the money in Houston and waiting like a bitch to play with Lebron for less, but then realized wow...there is a bum making 23 million next year on my team who has done jack **** for two years. Gotta respect Bosh, a man in his prime who is willing to do what it takes to win, compared to this loser.

Knicks are back..yeah, and you are working "hard on getting back to being in All-Star form"....this guy is delusional and needs to gtfo.

You're blaming the dude for stuff he has little control over at this point (his health). Does Amar'e strike you as the kind of guy that is simply going through the motions? And would you turn down $23 million from a dude that paid Jerome James to play in 126 games in 4 seasons?

CrushAlot wrote:Stephen A. just said that he found out the Amare to Philly trade is not going to happen.

Not a surprise! And not a bad thing- we were never going to get Lebron, and I'd rather just let Amar'es salary drop off the cap than lose an asset and sign a past it Gasol to an over bloated contract.