dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

it comes down to winning, and that in a nutshell is why I want Melo back, poor playoff performances or not. Because when your winning games the players and their stats on your roster mean more. Everyone has more value. Winning is so important. I think its critical to show that last year was a one-off and we are much closer to the 54 win team than the 37 win team. Phil has some more work to do...

you are insane

really, I mean I am having to read that over again to see how any of that makes sense.... Bring a player back, even if he has been a poor playoff performer because winning games makes everyone more valuable.... well how about winning playoff games?

As far as last year, we are supposed to ignore that completely, and believe that we are much closer to the 54 win team, and why is that again?

All I can really say is wow..

Martin! They are hurting my feelings again!!!!! I will be filing a full detailed report, complete with historical evidence of this unfair treatment.

Anyway.. Yes tfk you ignore last year. Why? Because if your talking about Melo teams you have a decade of winning records to work with. As for winning playoff games I agree. Just like with Kevin Garnett, who had even more playoff futility and struggles than Melo you need to build out the whole team.

Funny thing about winning playoff games. You have to get there first. Funny when Robert Horry was a FA he didnt have 5 teams pining to give him the max. Go figure.

it's not about hurt feelings you azzhole. it's about following the rules.

don't waste your time dk, what they are displaying are hurt emotions, and an inability to converse on a higher level.. thats it... and again, this behavior is allowed to continue.. amazing..

i look forward to how this foolish melodrama turns out.

I hope when it does resolve, the board can move on and talk about the team as-is, and moving forward, not the battle divided by the support of or extreme hate towards Melo. I mean seriously, do you and TKF really enjoy these arguments that turn nearly personal every time, when you know where every individual stands, and vice-versa? I hope if he stays, you can move forward or decide you can't handle a team with Melo as the lead player and no longer exert the effort, or if he leaves, not defend one another with all the "i told you so's." Hopefully it will all be over soon, because this is every single thread on this board. As a longest-time poster, it has really ruined things around here. People rooting against the Knicks to prove a point, or downplaying any success. No one here even did that during the Layden era and Isiah era for the most part. And It goes both ways too. Hopefully the minute this is over everyone can move on how they see fit.

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:You couldn't, and wouldn't, make this stuff up.

dk7th wrote:it's not about hurt feelings you azzhole. it's about following the rules.

dk7th wrote:[ugh what a horrible poster you are. just sickening how stupid your posts are.

tkf wrote:don't waste your time dk, what they are displaying are hurt emotions, and an inability to converse on a higher level.. thats it... and again, this behavior is allowed to continue.. amazing..

dk7th wrote:yep it comes down to values and character.

have you also been keeping track of your own posts the last 6 months, you hypocritical imbecile?

Unbelievable. Yet another fine example of great basketball knowledge.
Keep them coming, dtkf

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

I see,

As the phrase goes there is no blueprint to winning a championship. But there is also a reason why the Dallas Mavericks have won around 50 games in the tough West for the last what 12yrs with about like 4 different cores. That's not dominoes randomly falling over, that's flexibility that eventually lead to a magical run.

you do realize you are responding to a crack baby with an 85 IQ, right?

That's great, why don't you try coming up with a brilliant response to the clear refutation of your idiotic Melo the One Way Player "FACT"? Could it be because despite the best attempts of Bonn to support your pathetic basketball whining with numbers, all you really have is loose middle school crap like this?

Even tkf's Melohate is more substantial and at least entertainng then what you've devolved into, internet tough guy.

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

it comes down to winning, and that in a nutshell is why I want Melo back, poor playoff performances or not. Because when your winning games the players and their stats on your roster mean more. Everyone has more value. Winning is so important. I think its critical to show that last year was a one-off and we are much closer to the 54 win team than the 37 win team. Phil has some more work to do...

you are insane

really, I mean I am having to read that over again to see how any of that makes sense.... Bring a player back, even if he has been a poor playoff performer because winning games makes everyone more valuable.... well how about winning playoff games?

As far as last year, we are supposed to ignore that completely, and believe that we are much closer to the 54 win team, and why is that again?

All I can really say is wow..

Martin! They are hurting my feelings again!!!!! I will be filing a full detailed report, complete with historical evidence of this unfair treatment.

Anyway.. Yes tfk you ignore last year. Why? Because if your talking about Melo teams you have a decade of winning records to work with. As for winning playoff games I agree. Just like with Kevin Garnett, who had even more playoff futility and struggles than Melo you need to build out the whole team.

Funny thing about winning playoff games. You have to get there first. Funny when Robert Horry was a FA he didnt have 5 teams pining to give him the max. Go figure.

FUNNY THING FISH.. robert horry had rings, and never did he have a shortage of places to play.. do you understand when horry retired? WHEN HE WANTED TO!!!!!

Robert horry was coveted by teams who won....and when he got there.. they won..

Melo teams you have a decade of winning records to work with.

here is where that is useless... It didn't help us last year... and here is another thing, why aren't there players lining up to come here and play with him..why? why is he hopping from plane to plane trying to find a place to play...

Let me give you an example of what a winner and leader does.. Dirk is sitting in Dallas with no contract.. he could have easily asked for a contract and taken a pay cut.. but no, dirk one upped that... he said go out and get the players you feel we need to win if you can, and then come back and take care of me...

Instead carmelo is flying from team to team.. LOL.. who is pining for who?

BTW where is carmelo's black book?

Horry was consistently thrown what amounted to max contracts?
Melo is roaming the country, hopefully knocking on doors with his headband in his hand? Really? Is that how you see it?

One year we don't make the playoffs out of 4 is all that matters. The rest is "fools gold".

Dirk was great, he has a ring due to one magical run, but if remember correctly, he had 6 first round exits, correct?
What Dirk has going for him is an brilliantly insane owner who's tremendously better than ours.

I truly need to understand your reasoning, tkf, if you even do.

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

it comes down to winning, and that in a nutshell is why I want Melo back, poor playoff performances or not. Because when your winning games the players and their stats on your roster mean more. Everyone has more value. Winning is so important. I think its critical to show that last year was a one-off and we are much closer to the 54 win team than the 37 win team. Phil has some more work to do...

you are insane

really, I mean I am having to read that over again to see how any of that makes sense.... Bring a player back, even if he has been a poor playoff performer because winning games makes everyone more valuable.... well how about winning playoff games?

As far as last year, we are supposed to ignore that completely, and believe that we are much closer to the 54 win team, and why is that again?

All I can really say is wow..

Martin! They are hurting my feelings again!!!!! I will be filing a full detailed report, complete with historical evidence of this unfair treatment.

Anyway.. Yes tfk you ignore last year. Why? Because if your talking about Melo teams you have a decade of winning records to work with. As for winning playoff games I agree. Just like with Kevin Garnett, who had even more playoff futility and struggles than Melo you need to build out the whole team.

Funny thing about winning playoff games. You have to get there first. Funny when Robert Horry was a FA he didnt have 5 teams pining to give him the max. Go figure.

FUNNY THING FISH.. robert horry had rings, and never did he have a shortage of places to play.. do you understand when horry retired? WHEN HE WANTED TO!!!!!

Robert horry was coveted by teams who won....and when he got there.. they won..

Melo teams you have a decade of winning records to work with.

here is where that is useless... It didn't help us last year... and here is another thing, why aren't there players lining up to come here and play with him..why? why is he hopping from plane to plane trying to find a place to play...

Let me give you an example of what a winner and leader does.. Dirk is sitting in Dallas with no contract.. he could have easily asked for a contract and taken a pay cut.. but no, dirk one upped that... he said go out and get the players you feel we need to win if you can, and then come back and take care of me...

Instead carmelo is flying from team to team.. LOL.. who is pining for who?

BTW where is carmelo's black book?

Horry was consistently thrown what amounted to max contracts?
Melo is roaming the country, hopefully knocking on doors with his headband in his hand? Really? Is that how you see it?

One year we don't make the playoffs out of 4 is all that matters. The rest is "fools gold".

Dirk was great, he has a ring due to one magical run, but if remember correctly, he had 6 first round exits, correct?
What Dirk has going for him is an brilliantly insane owner who's tremendously better than ours.

I truly need to understand your reasoning, tkf, if you even do.

no, as I don't understand pointing out that horry is not a max player.. that was a stupid comment by the poster and besides the point.. Horry is a winner... played on winning teams that sought out his services!!!! These are the kind of players I want on my team.. instead they are poked fun of on a forum who roots for a career losers and are dying to give them a max contract because they just love mediocrity....

Understand this carmelo is in Chicago, he was there all day, I hope he signs there, I really do and afterwards you won't need to comment on carmelo because he is no longer a knick and as we all know if they are not on the knicks you are "indifferent" towards them.. right?

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

it comes down to winning, and that in a nutshell is why I want Melo back, poor playoff performances or not. Because when your winning games the players and their stats on your roster mean more. Everyone has more value. Winning is so important. I think its critical to show that last year was a one-off and we are much closer to the 54 win team than the 37 win team. Phil has some more work to do...

you are insane

really, I mean I am having to read that over again to see how any of that makes sense.... Bring a player back, even if he has been a poor playoff performer because winning games makes everyone more valuable.... well how about winning playoff games?

As far as last year, we are supposed to ignore that completely, and believe that we are much closer to the 54 win team, and why is that again?

All I can really say is wow..

Martin! They are hurting my feelings again!!!!! I will be filing a full detailed report, complete with historical evidence of this unfair treatment.

Anyway.. Yes tfk you ignore last year. Why? Because if your talking about Melo teams you have a decade of winning records to work with. As for winning playoff games I agree. Just like with Kevin Garnett, who had even more playoff futility and struggles than Melo you need to build out the whole team.

Funny thing about winning playoff games. You have to get there first. Funny when Robert Horry was a FA he didnt have 5 teams pining to give him the max. Go figure.

it's not about hurt feelings you azzhole. it's about following the rules.

don't waste your time dk, what they are displaying are hurt emotions, and an inability to converse on a higher level.. thats it... and again, this behavior is allowed to continue.. amazing..

i look forward to how this foolish melodrama turns out.

I hope when it does resolve, the board can move on and talk about the team as-is, and moving forward, not the battle divided by the support of or extreme hate towards Melo. I mean seriously, do you and TKF really enjoy these arguments that turn nearly personal every time, when you know where every individual stands, and vice-versa? I hope if he stays, you can move forward or decide you can't handle a team with Melo as the lead player and no longer exert the effort, or if he leaves, not defend one another with all the "i told you so's." Hopefully it will all be over soon, because this is every single thread on this board. As a longest-time poster, it has really ruined things around here. People rooting against the Knicks to prove a point, or downplaying any success. No one here even did that during the Layden era and Isiah era for the most part. And It goes both ways too. Hopefully the minute this is over everyone can move on how they see fit.

you have clearly shown from your posting history that carmelo anthiny can do no wrong and is an innocent victim in all this. am i right? so i take everything here that you wrote with a grain of salt.

the only time ANY thread has turned personal-- ANY THREAD-- is not traceable to me and is not traceable to tkf. and you write as someone who promotes self-fulfilling prophecies. for example where do you or anyone get the notion that there will be any "told you so's" when he is gone? have you any evidence that this will happen? same with "people rooting against the knicks" where do you come off making this sort of accusation? the only statement that has any traction is "downplaying success" and that has little or nothing to do with rooting against the team. come on!

friendly advice-- check yourself.

very well said. as I said, before he made such a post he should go back and look at our posting history and notice we are at the point of defending ourselves... we are talking basketball, look at who is doing the baiting and attacking.. I find it offensive that he even addresses the both of us this way......

BRIGGS wrote:Melo will be back.

We use the 3.6mm on Jordan Hill IMHO.

That would be adding Jordan Hill Dalembart Calderon Early Thannis Larkin getting back Bargnani to the core of Amare Melo THJ JR Smith Shumpert with a full max cap slot next year and a number 1 pick to use.

If we addeed Hill to that mix I would be very impressed. I would be happy to send them Shump and Ellington and give Jordan Hill 3 years $15mm. Worst case he's a nice contract who fills out the stat sheet. Best case he continues to grow and becomes a quality starter on a great contract and becomes a nice asset.

BRIGGS wrote:Melo will be back.

We use the 3.6mm on Jordan Hill IMHO.

That would be adding Jordan Hill Dalembart Calderon Early Thannis Larkin getting back Bargnani to the core of Amare Melo THJ JR Smith Shumpert with a full max cap slot next year and a number 1 pick to use.

Jordan hill is suspect... shows flashes then at times looks just lazy... our front line has the potential to be a mess again this year... but that isn't all bad I guess.....we still have not addressed the issues of rebounding and points in the paint, it would be nice if jackson can do that..

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Melo will be back.

We use the 3.6mm on Jordan Hill IMHO.

That would be adding Jordan Hill Dalembart Calderon Early Thannis Larkin getting back Bargnani to the core of Amare Melo THJ JR Smith Shumpert with a full max cap slot next year and a number 1 pick to use.

Jordan hill is suspect... shows flashes then at times looks just lazy... our front line has the potential to be a mess again this year... but that isn't all bad I guess.....we still have not addressed the issues of rebounding and points in the paint, it would be nice if jackson can do that..

I remember when we drafted him and he was described as Chris Wilcox but with a much better motor. Ha- turned out to be complete crap, because he was one of the laziest, low intensity players we've drafted in a while- there was talk of an epic work out between him and Darko which had such low intensity it was almost comedic!

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Melo will be back.

We use the 3.6mm on Jordan Hill IMHO.

That would be adding Jordan Hill Dalembart Calderon Early Thannis Larkin getting back Bargnani to the core of Amare Melo THJ JR Smith Shumpert with a full max cap slot next year and a number 1 pick to use.

Jordan hill is suspect... shows flashes then at times looks just lazy... our front line has the potential to be a mess again this year... but that isn't all bad I guess.....we still have not addressed the issues of rebounding and points in the paint, it would be nice if jackson can do that..

I remember when we drafted him and he was described as Chris Wilcox but with a much better motor. Ha- turned out to be complete crap, because he was one of the laziest, low intensity players we've drafted in a while- there was talk of an epic work out between him and Darko which had such low intensity it was almost comedic!

Pretty sure I was the first person on this board to use the Chris Wilcox comparison, but it was to say that we already had a player who brought the same skills to the table which made Hill redundant. Didn't look like much thought went into the pick.

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

it comes down to winning, and that in a nutshell is why I want Melo back, poor playoff performances or not. Because when your winning games the players and their stats on your roster mean more. Everyone has more value. Winning is so important. I think its critical to show that last year was a one-off and we are much closer to the 54 win team than the 37 win team. Phil has some more work to do...

you are insane

really, I mean I am having to read that over again to see how any of that makes sense.... Bring a player back, even if he has been a poor playoff performer because winning games makes everyone more valuable.... well how about winning playoff games?

As far as last year, we are supposed to ignore that completely, and believe that we are much closer to the 54 win team, and why is that again?

All I can really say is wow..

Martin! They are hurting my feelings again!!!!! I will be filing a full detailed report, complete with historical evidence of this unfair treatment.

Anyway.. Yes tfk you ignore last year. Why? Because if your talking about Melo teams you have a decade of winning records to work with. As for winning playoff games I agree. Just like with Kevin Garnett, who had even more playoff futility and struggles than Melo you need to build out the whole team.

Funny thing about winning playoff games. You have to get there first. Funny when Robert Horry was a FA he didnt have 5 teams pining to give him the max. Go figure.

FUNNY THING FISH.. robert horry had rings, and never did he have a shortage of places to play.. do you understand when horry retired? WHEN HE WANTED TO!!!!!

Robert horry was coveted by teams who won....and when he got there.. they won..

Melo teams you have a decade of winning records to work with.

here is where that is useless... It didn't help us last year... and here is another thing, why aren't there players lining up to come here and play with him..why? why is he hopping from plane to plane trying to find a place to play...

Let me give you an example of what a winner and leader does.. Dirk is sitting in Dallas with no contract.. he could have easily asked for a contract and taken a pay cut.. but no, dirk one upped that... he said go out and get the players you feel we need to win if you can, and then come back and take care of me...

Instead carmelo is flying from team to team.. LOL.. who is pining for who?

BTW where is carmelo's black book?

Horry was consistently thrown what amounted to max contracts?
Melo is roaming the country, hopefully knocking on doors with his headband in his hand? Really? Is that how you see it?

One year we don't make the playoffs out of 4 is all that matters. The rest is "fools gold".

Dirk was great, he has a ring due to one magical run, but if remember correctly, he had 6 first round exits, correct?
What Dirk has going for him is an brilliantly insane owner who's tremendously better than ours.

I truly need to understand your reasoning, tkf, if you even do.

no, as I don't understand pointing out that horry is not a max player.. that was a stupid comment by the poster and besides the point.. Horry is a winner... played on winning teams that sought out his services!!!! These are the kind of players I want on my team.. instead they are poked fun of on a forum who roots for a career losers and are dying to give them a max contract because they just love mediocrity....

Understand this carmelo is in Chicago, he was there all day, I hope he signs there, I really do and afterwards you won't need to comment on carmelo because he is no longer a knick and as we all know if they are not on the knicks you are "indifferent" towards them.. right?

You're the one comparing Horry, a 3 point specialist with worse stats (%-wise, by the way) than your friendly neighborhood franchise cancer, currently festering on his way to Houston. Horry played on great teams that won. Does your understanding really mean that those teams don't win without Horry? Put Horry on Denver, the Knicks, the Bucks, Orlando, etc, and tell me how much of a winner he would be. I remember watching Horry and he was in the perfect position on the perfect teams to be a killer.

I understand you hate Melo, hate his game, hate his face, hate his money, and Mardy Collins is your kid's godfather. I get that. And yes, we keep circling back to the fact that if Melo does leave, I really won't be watching and wondering what the Bulls, Rockets, Lakers or Mavs are doing with him. Except when he comes back and kicks our azz.

But understand this: I can almost guarantee you will. Right?

you sound so in love with the dude.. I thought you were a knick fan.. what happened to in phil we trust.. you see I keep the faith that one day we will put a winning team together, one that will certainly be able to consistently beat and dispose of clowns like carmelo... so why do you care at all what he does when he is gone? I thought you were indifferent?

when carmelo leaves, then the building of the knick future begins... don't be a hypocrite.. don't claim to be a knick fan and call guys like me and DK haters when you, papabear and others think the knicks are forever doomed once this loser leaves.. You are exposing yourself and you just refuse to keep it shut...